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[Zelidar]

I think they also added LED turn and hazard indicators on the 2024.   The 2023 manual shows replacement bulbs for the turn signals.

Where did you see that? Using the "Model Builder" the past few minutes on their website, LED turn signals are still a $85.00 option in the US and twice that money (€169.00 !?) in Europe. This is just ridiculous ...

https://zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx

[MikeL]

So it seems that is the difference between the 75-10 and the 75-10X.  I found the 2023 specs on the wayback machine for the DSR/X and it has the same 75-10X motor as the 2024.

The 2023 DSR/X bikes seem to primarily have cast alloy wheels.   The 2024 DSR/X is shown having spoked tubeless wheels. 

There is no mention of the "Mudport Wheel Sprocket" for the 2023 that is mentioned on the 2024.

I think they also added LED turn and hazard indicators on the 2024.   The 2023 manual shows replacement bulbs for the turn signals.

Beyond those items, I didn't find any other differences.

I think they both still come stock with cast alloy wheels, if you use the configuration tool, it looks like it's an option to add them.

[mdjak1]

I think they also added LED turn and hazard indicators on the 2024.   The 2023 manual shows replacement bulbs for the turn signals.

Where did you see that? Using the "Model Builder" the past few minutes on their website, LED turn signals are still a $85.00 option in the US and twice that money (€169.00 !?) in Europe. This is just ridiculous ...

https://zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrx

That is in the accessories page and is probably a leftover error from 2023.

The website description shows this in the FACE/HEADLIGHT section:

Light the way

See the road ahead like never before and ensure it always sees you with the custom-made full LED headlight and LED taillight with opalescent light-pipe for unrivaled lateral visibility. The 2024 DSR/X also comes with LED turn and hazard indicators fully standard so you can be confident your intentions are broadcast as far as possible in any low light situations.

[mdjak1]

So it seems that is the difference between the 75-10 and the 75-10X.  I found the 2023 specs on the wayback machine for the DSR/X and it has the same 75-10X motor as the 2024.

The 2023 DSR/X bikes seem to primarily have cast alloy wheels.   The 2024 DSR/X is shown having spoked tubeless wheels. 

There is no mention of the "Mudport Wheel Sprocket" for the 2023 that is mentioned on the 2024.

I think they also added LED turn and hazard indicators on the 2024.   The 2023 manual shows replacement bulbs for the turn signals.

Beyond those items, I didn't find any other differences.

I think they both still come stock with cast alloy wheels, if you use the configuration tool, it looks like it's an option to add them.

I don't see any option on the USA version of the website showing the spoke wheels as an option for the 2024 DSR/X.   All the photos of the 2024 DSR/X show spoke wheels.   No option for cast wheels either.   And the website reads:

Rubber side down

The DSR/X can navigate virtually any obstacle in its way thanks to its incredibly light and durable spoked wheels, 19” up front and 17” in the rear. These come wrapped in Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tires for uniformly excellent performance on all surface types. However, the indomitable Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR tires are available for those riders who want to upgrade their DSR/X into a fully trail-rated off-road monster.

[MikeL]

I don't see any option on the USA version of the website showing the spoke wheels as an option for the 2024 DSR/X.   All the photos of the 2024 DSR/X show spoke wheels.   No option for cast wheels either.   And the website reads:

Rubber side down

The DSR/X can navigate virtually any obstacle in its way thanks to its incredibly light and durable spoked wheels, 19” up front and 17” in the rear. These come wrapped in Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tires for uniformly excellent performance on all surface types. However, the indomitable Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR tires are available for those riders who want to upgrade their DSR/X into a fully trail-rated off-road monster.

Their configuration tool isn't great, when you go to 'Design' you can use your scroll wheel to scroll down. The wire wheel option is in that section.

[mdjak1]

I don't see any option on the USA version of the website showing the spoke wheels as an option for the 2024 DSR/X.   All the photos of the 2024 DSR/X show spoke wheels.   No option for cast wheels either.   And the website reads:

Rubber side down

The DSR/X can navigate virtually any obstacle in its way thanks to its incredibly light and durable spoked wheels, 19” up front and 17” in the rear. These come wrapped in Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tires for uniformly excellent performance on all surface types. However, the indomitable Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR tires are available for those riders who want to upgrade their DSR/X into a fully trail-rated off-road monster.

Their configuration tool isn't great, when you go to 'Design' you can use your scroll wheel to scroll down. The wire wheel option is in that section.

Pretty sure that is a remnant from the 2023 model configuration or they intend for it to be for the DS/DSR.   The website clearly says wire wheels on the DSR/X.

[MikeL]

Pretty sure that is a remnant from the 2023 model configuration or they intend for it to be for the DS/DSR.   The website clearly says wire wheels on the DSR/X.

I hope you're correct, gives a bit more justification to the price tag.

[mdjak1]

Pretty sure that is a remnant from the 2023 model configuration or they intend for it to be for the DS/DSR.   The website clearly says wire wheels on the DSR/X.

I hope you're correct, gives a bit more justification to the price tag.

$3,000 more for the 2X faster charging, slightly higher kWh, higher power controller and spoke wheels.   The difference should be more than enough to convince buyers to step up to the DSR/X compared to a DSR.   

The bigger price difference is the DS to DSR.   That is $4000.   The DSR is only 10% faster charging, slightly higher kWh, larger motor with higher power controller.   But both have cast wheels.   The DS is probably the better buy of the two.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zero drops the DSR in 2025 in the USA like they dropped the SR for 2024.   And the S at $14,995 is a really good buy for 2024 too.

[TheRan]

That pricing is basically whack in the opposite direction to here in the UK. The DSR is the equivalent of less than $1k more than the DS, while the DSR/X is nearly $5k more than the DSR. I'd say the upgrades are worth maybe half of that.

EDIT: Also you yanks get a bit more power and speed from your DS so that makes an even better value.

[Specter]

you know... the charger gives you 15 amps, at least on the ribelle.  that's 15A at whatever voltage you are putting in.
for 100 dollars, maybe less if you get an old one off e bay, get a rheostat and crank the bitch up to 270 volts or whatever your charger can max out at for input.  That'll throw some extra kw your direction!

Aaron

[Richtea]

Price is still their #1 problem. Producing neutered machines based on identical hardware for less money just tells me that they're actually gouging people for the top end machines.

Cas

Charging is their #1 problem, from my point of view.

- Energica is 20-80% in 40 minutes
- Zero is 1.4 hours (95% charged) with the rapid charger

Zero say the charging time is linear, so lets ratio that: 95%/80% = 1.18, so ...
- Zero is 1.4/1.18 = 1.19 hours (80% charged) = 71 minutes

The difference between sitting for a coffee and cupcake for 40 minutes compared to 71 minutes is huge.
Even if they gave away the rapid charger for free it's still a fail.

Re-arranging the pricing deckchairs won't fix that.

[TheRan]

Price is still their #1 problem. Producing neutered machines based on identical hardware for less money just tells me that they're actually gouging people for the top end machines.

Cas

Charging is their #1 problem, from my point of view.

- Energica is 20-80% in 40 minutes
- Zero is 1.4 hours (95% charged) with the rapid charger

Zero say the charging time is linear, so lets ratio that: 95%/80% = 1.18, so ...
- Zero is 1.4/1.18 = 1.19 hours (80% charged) = 71 minutes

The difference between sitting for a coffee and cupcake for 40 minutes compared to 71 minutes is huge.
Even if they gave away the rapid charger for free it's still a fail.

Re-arranging the pricing deckchairs won't fix that.

Being realistic I don't think many people are actually charging their bikes while out on the road, there are more people being put off by the price than the slower charging. For those that do charge when out riding it's 1.1 hours to 95%, which they won't actually be doing so in reality it should be under an hour which isn't that bad every now and then. Or if they're willing to wait like 20 minutes or so then they can add a decent amount of range to what they'd otherwise get from a 100% charge.

[princec]

I've got the fast charger, and I've done 15,000 miles in the last two and a half years or so (ok only 2 really as it was broken for 6 months), and I've used the fast charging in anger on about 10 trips. 95% of my mileage is comfortably inside my 100-ish mile round trip radius, and this is probably the case for a large number of potential buyers who would be otherwise well-served by the platform, were it not for the fact it costs about 50% more than anyone sane is willing to pay for one.

Cas

[mdjak1]

That pricing is basically whack in the opposite direction to here in the UK. The DSR is the equivalent of less than $1k more than the DS, while the DSR/X is nearly $5k more than the DSR. I'd say the upgrades are worth maybe half of that.

EDIT: Also you yanks get a bit more power and speed from your DS so that makes an even better value.

Wow!   I just looked at the UK prices.   Only £800.00 MSRP to go from an A1 license legal DS to the much more powerful and larger battery DSR.   In the UK the DSR is a better purchase than the DS (unless you must have an A1 bike).  Even in Germany the price increase from a DS to a DSR is only €1000.  Kind of strange that in the USA the price bump from DS to DSR is $4000.

[Curt]

The 2024 FX/FXE seem to be mentioned but largely glossed over on every review site. I suppose that's because little has changed including the 7.2 kWh capacity. However, Zero now claims 102 miles in the city vs. 91 miles for previous years. I wonder if the battery is different, or some other efficiency gained, or if the benchmark changed.

I always thought I'd want to upgrade my '16 FX once the range exceeded 100 miles. However, I only use it in the suburbs and get 50-60 miles over 2 hours. I realized I don't really care to ride it more than 2 hours anyway. After 5 years, the novelty sort of wore off.