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[Richard230]

In today's news seven major electric vehicle car manufacturers have formed a joint venture and plan to spend at least $1 billion to install as many as 30,000 DC fast charging stations on major highways and other locations in the U.S. and Canada. Article attached.

[Fran K]

I get it will cost 33,333.33 dollars per charger.  Kind of short on details, how many locations, All the same kw output?  How many kw guaranteed available.?  Just use a debit card or enroll in something?  I kind of doubt cash option but self-checkout is everywhere.

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Hey wasn't Opel in Vw group.?

[DonTom]

I hope they start putting in some AC charge stations as well. ChargePoint is good about doing that. Most of their fast charge station locations also have a J-1772 station, at least in this area. And also, the ones I know about near Reno (very few).


I have yet to see Ev-Go do such.


We need such for our Zeros!  And J-1772 already is a common standard, what vehicle cannot use J-1772? My Tesla even came with an adapter for such. And it's a cheap adapter.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[TheRan]

Hey wasn't Opel in Vw group.?

Don't know where you got that one from, perhaps just an assumption because it's German. They were owned by GM up until 2017 when PSA bought them (Peugeot and Citroen owners). It looks like most of the current models are from the PSA era, all that Stelantis has brought out is a Citroen Ami rebadge.

[DonTom]

In today's news seven major electric vehicle car manufacturers have formed a joint venture and plan to spend at least $1 billion to install as many as 30,000 DC fast charging stations on major highways and other locations in the U.S. and Canada. Article attached.

I hope they add a few dozen chargers on Hwy 395 in CA and NV. Also, on Hwy 70 in CA.


Their first rule should be all these new chargers must be fifty miles away from any other charger of the same type.  Such as CCS being fifty or more miles away from all other CCS chargers. IMO, we already have enough chargers, but they are all grouped together in the same areas and that does little good to get to some areas.


The USA now has more than 10,000 non-Tesla DC fast chargers.  But that does little good when they are all in the same areas. Like here in Auburn, a DC fast charge a few miles in every direction. I don't need any of those. Too close to home to be useful.


The other issue is the countless broken CCS chargers that nobody repairs. And most of those are broken in areas where they are very much needed. I could ride my SS9 to more areas three years ago than I can today because of broken chargers. Such as the one in Hawthorne, NV--broken for more than a year. Same with Fallon, NV and Incline Village, NV.


One problem is that often chargers are owned by the property owner such as the gas station in Fallon. When it breaks, there is no reason to invest in an expensive repair--he will not get his money back for the repairs for many years of people charging and only if no more failures.


The other issues include federal grants, where they give states the money for installation but not a cent for maintenance. So the CalTrans chargers at Donnor Summit and Hawthorne, NV are unlikely to ever be repaired. Nobody to pay for the repairs.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Richard230]

You make some good points, DonTom.

[Specter]

A charger MUST be 50 miles away from another is rather short sighted.
Lets say that charger is down for some reason, as you point out timelessly in other posts, so now you want someone to have to drive 50 miles to the next charger instead of maybe 5 or 10?  That might be cutting it pretty close.   What if a charger is 35 miles away but it's on some back road at goobers gas and go, so now I have to travel 45 minutes out of my way off the  highway, just because instead of having a charger right there at an off ramp a minute or two from the highway?

The last thing we need is more 'rules' and oversight, let them put the chargers in where they want, after all THEY are paying for them, and the free market will determine whether it sinks or swims on it's location.

Aaron

[DonTom]

A charger MUST be 50 miles away from another is rather short sighted.
Lets say that charger is down for some reason, as you point out timelessly in other posts, so now you want someone to have to drive 50 miles to the next charger instead of maybe 5 or 10?  That might be cutting it pretty close.   What if a charger is 35 miles away but it's on some back road at goobers gas and go, so now I have to travel 45 minutes out of my way off the  highway, just because instead of having a charger right there at an off ramp a minute or two from the highway?

The last thing we need is more 'rules' and oversight, let them put the chargers in where they want, after all THEY are paying for them, and the free market will determine whether it sinks or swims on it's location.

Aaron

I mean charger location. There should be no locations with only one fast charger. I know there are now many such locations, but that is changing. For an example, just last year there was only one CCS charger in Carson City.  CC just added four more.  All five of them not working is somewhat unlikely.


And here in Auburn, there are CCS chargers in a few miles in every direction from here.


BTW, often when I cannot make it from one CCS charger to the next, I often find a J-1772 to add just enough miles to make it to the next CCS location.



-Don-  Auburn, CA