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AsHperson

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Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« on: April 16, 2023, 03:59:33 AM »

I tried charging my SS9(no Experia yet) on a couple new Freewire chargers on EV Connect at a local gas station yesterday and had little luck. Started at 29%, started the session then plugged in, it ramped up to 77A out of the selected 75A then ramped all the way down to 0 then quit. Each of the 5 times I got it going, it charged 0.04kwh total each time across all 3 CCS chargers. I called up and they said there is already a ticket filed for the issue. Is there anyone else having a similar issue with Freewire chargers? I was all excited to try a new charger for free.

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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2023, 09:58:00 AM »

I heard before that you gotta set your rate to 40A or something on those chargers to make them work.
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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2023, 09:17:51 AM »

I heard before that you gotta set your rate to 40A or something on those chargers to make them work.
Hmm, I'll try that next time. Today I went to a different location but the same charger model and it would not start the first two times at all until the phone operator started the session on their end.
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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2023, 10:10:55 AM »

I tried charging my SS9(no Experia yet) on a couple new Freewire chargers on EV Connect at a local gas station yesterday and had little luck. Started at 29%, started the session then plugged in, it ramped up to 77A out of the selected 75A then ramped all the way down to 0 then quit. Each of the 5 times I got it going, it charged 0.04kwh total each time across all 3 CCS chargers. I called up and they said there is already a ticket filed for the issue. Is there anyone else having a similar issue with Freewire chargers? I was all excited to try a new charger for free.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/515336
First I have heard of "freewire".  but I have used EV Connect many times. What is the "Freewire" about?


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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2023, 08:43:55 AM »

I tried charging my SS9(no Experia yet) on a couple new Freewire chargers on EV Connect at a local gas station yesterday and had little luck. Started at 29%, started the session then plugged in, it ramped up to 77A out of the selected 75A then ramped all the way down to 0 then quit. Each of the 5 times I got it going, it charged 0.04kwh total each time across all 3 CCS chargers. I called up and they said there is already a ticket filed for the issue. Is there anyone else having a similar issue with Freewire chargers? I was all excited to try a new charger for free.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/515336
First I have heard of "freewire".  but I have used EV Connect many times. What is the "Freewire" about?
Freewire is the make of the charging hardware. In both cases I've used it so far have been though the EV Connect network co-branded with the company they reside at such as Rotten Robbie's or The Loop. This is not unlike how there are Chargepoint chargers at some businesses and show the brand of the business it is located at. They have a built-in 160kwh battery, charges vehicles as fast as 150 or 200kw and has the input wiring such as a traditional L2 station. I love how they work conceptually, they are still quite new to the field though. I believe with this, there will be many more CCS chargers in the US due to the comparatively lower cost to entry for L2 grid wiring vs DC fast charge grid wiring even with the big battery.

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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2023, 12:38:00 PM »

Freewire is the make of the charging hardware. In both cases I've used it so far have been though the EV Connect network co-branded with the company they reside at such as Rotten Robbie's or The Loop. This is not unlike how there are Chargepoint chargers at some businesses and show the brand of the business it is located at. They have a built-in 160kwh battery, charges vehicles as fast as 150 or 200kw and has the input wiring such as a traditional L2 station. I love how they work conceptually, they are still quite new to the field though. I believe with this, there will be many more CCS chargers in the US due to the comparatively lower cost to entry for L2 grid wiring vs DC fast charge grid wiring even with the big battery.
If I understand correctly, you're saying these "Freewire" chargers have a 160KWH battery in them that is charged with a smaller charger from something like a J-1772 or 240 VAC.  If that is the case, the charger will not be able to serve several EVs one after the other for a full charge from near fully discharged.  But if there are several hours between the charges, it should work fine.


IOW, it is using a battery to charge EV batteries. Is that correct?


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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2023, 01:32:29 PM »

These sound like the EnelX Way L2 chargers they have installed on Ft Bragg. They are solar powered and charge a large battery which is where the juice comes from to charge your vehicle. They are not connected to the grid. Have not tried them yet. The closest to me is only a quarter mile from work but is govt vehicle only.
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Re: Issues with charging SS9 on Freewire?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2023, 07:56:31 PM »

Basically they have a huge battery in them, 160 KWH / I think you can get up to 300 KWh batteries in them and they use those to augment your charge.  So lets say it has 25 or 50 coming from the grid, that'd be a 240 volt 100amp / 200 amp single phase feed.

Your car can take 75 kwatt rate to charge, it'll take what it can from the grid, the rest it gets out of it's battery to charge your car up at what it can handle.  Once you are done, the grid keeps going to recharge it's internal battery back up to 100 percent again.

The main selling point of this is, it's a LOT easier to run your 'mains' out to one of these, even if it's at a fairly low KW rate, than to put in a new 300kva transformer at several thousands of dollars to power a regular charger.   It's not perfect but does the best it can in your situation.

To answer your question, yes you could probably do 3 or 4 nearly empty cars before it'd need to probably do 6 hours or so to fully charge back up again.  Just because it CAN charge at a 200 kw rate, YOU could say to only charge at a 100 kw rate, then it's taking the 50 from mains, and only 50 from battery,  that'd give you 6 cars worth of charge before battery totally dead.  it could be made to work pretty well.

If your demand is that high that it'd constantly be ran dry then you might want to consider putting a regular station in

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