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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2023, 11:50:26 AM »

My 2020 Esse Esse was spot on, as was my 2021 Ribelle. My 2023 Experia now displays 8° too high. So I come to believe it depends on the specific bike you have.
I like the idea of a user adjustable off-set value for the displayed value though…
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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2023, 10:30:24 PM »

My 2020 Esse Esse was spot on, as was my 2021 Ribelle. My 2023 Experia now displays 8° too high. So I come to believe it depends on the specific bike you have.
I like the idea of a user adjustable off-set value for the displayed value though…
That is strange, as my experience is the opposite.


I have a hard time buying it changes from one bike to the next of the same year, FW and model, but that would explain part of it. I then would want to know why the differences within the same year and model.


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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2023, 12:29:36 PM »

From my (limited) knowledge of thermocouples for temperature measuring I suspect that Energica got a bad batch of sensors they unknowingly put into the bikes.

I asked my dealer if he could change some parameters in the software to make the temperature reading more accurate, but he said he can't.
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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2023, 07:47:19 PM »

I have NOT looked but have an idea they are just using a Thermocouple to measure the temperature, Probably a K type since they are widely available and the easiest to work with, AND don't cost a shit ton like a PMG based one would.

With that being said, TC's do not really go bad, they either work or they don't.  If you get one that is corroding out or something, that won't last very long at all  before it just opens.  It's like saying I have a fuse that is going bad.  Loose connections can cause an issue now, but you'd see that in an erratic display.  If the problems are happening right around 70 degrees, then there's a possibility you plugged the darned thing in backwards, but I doubt they that.  The 'thingamajig' that translates the TC input to human numbers, a possibility that the TC type changed in there?   Maybe a scaling issue in the software when they  upgraded it?

If you can, check the thing at night, when there is no sun shining on your bike, preferrably the bike is in a garage NOT by any heat / cold sources, and you have not ridden it for a while.  Try to get as many things out of the picture that could add / remove heat.  See what it reads.

Another thing, lets say it's mounted right next to your fork or on the motor block or something.  That's a lot of thermal mass.  The sun comes up, the air temp goes up 15 degrees to 20 degrees in an hour.  The bike is not sitting in the sun though so although the air temp is now up, that block of metal is still retaining it's cold from the night, it has NOT fully caught up with the air temp.... Just like your ice cubes don't instantly melt the moment you take them out of the freezer.  The 'zone' around that block of metal is going to be cooler than the ambient air temp as it sucks up that heat, to heat up itself.  the TC is accurate.

Before we go saying the TC's are bad, unless it's an absolutely KNOWN fact, you have to remove all other factors that can affect the temperature, including poor choices of mounting locations.

Ive done I&C for 38 years, been there done that a million times with, BDU, OE, Pebcak type issues  or people just not understanding how things work and immediately saying, OH, it's broke!!!

Certain colors of plastic, like the greys on the bike are HORRIBLE for retaining longwave radiation as well, they will trap the heat in and hold it

You can goto the grocery store and get a digital meat thermometer, some of them even have remote probes. They only cost a few bucks and have multi uses!!  Get yourself one and poke it here and there on the bike and let it wait a few minutes and measure temperatures at different places, in the sun, out of the sun, in the wind, under a fairing etc and see for yourself how wildly they can vary.

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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2023, 03:51:46 AM »

My Ribelle is in my garage when I am not on it and yes the ambient temperature is high compared to my KTM, Tesla and other thermometers in my garage. Both the KTM and Tesla are within a degree or two of the outdoor thermometer I have in the garage but the Ribelle averages about 8 degrees higher.
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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2023, 04:58:56 AM »

Looks like a thermistor to me...



Cannot speak to the physical location but one can follow #20 wire on VCU connector @ terminal 2E, sensor input.
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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2023, 08:04:58 PM »

I have not tore into it to look but,  if they are using TC's because they are cheap to use, then running regular wire back to the 'translator' board can be a problem.  You are setting up a dual junction there and that can cause issues, especially when the temperature is different between measurement and connection location.  Ideally TC's need to be K or Y or R or whatever type you are using, wire all the way back to the actual translation board, NOT plugged in somewhere and a copper wire signal brought back.

Them saying, 20 ga wire there, is kind of vague.  Is it just wire, or is it TC pair?  If it's TC pair then they should state that.

Dammit, now you gonna make me tear the bike apart, like I don't have enough get me in trouble projects brewing already !  :D

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Re: Just got a 2023 esseesse 9rs
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2023, 09:21:52 PM »

Apparently the latest firmware actually corrects the temperature reading but it, uh, has some other inaccuracies.
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