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[DonTom]

To me, that is the big advantage to riding an electric motorcycle. Unfortunately for my dealer, I haven't been back to them since the initial 600-mile servicing, which consisted of just a visual inspection and motor "commissioning". I perform all of the chassis work myself, including replacing the OBC when it failed a couple of years ago. I have no doubt that I am saving money in the long run by riding an EV, compared with ICE. 

Are you sure they did the "motor commissioning"?  I have more than 10K miles on each of my Zeros and neither have ever been commissioned since I have owned them since new.


I asked for it on my DS here in Reno, when I got my first FW update that requires to be done at the dealer.


I also asked for it in Oak Grove, CA on my Zero SR in Oak Grove when I got my first FW update.


In both cases, I only got the FW update. In both cases, the service manager had no clue what "commissioning" even meant, so it never got past them.


Both bikes still run as well as new, so I don't even worry about it.


But I would recommend to anybody who wants to get their bike's motor "aligned" or "commissioned" to go for that service only and nothing else so it will have to get done.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

To me, that is the big advantage to riding an electric motorcycle. Unfortunately for my dealer, I haven't been back to them since the initial 600-mile servicing, which consisted of just a visual inspection and motor "commissioning". I perform all of the chassis work myself, including replacing the OBC when it failed a couple of years ago. I have no doubt that I am saving money in the long run by riding an EV, compared with ICE. 

Are you sure they did the "motor commissioning"?  I have more than 10K miles on each of my Zeros and neither have ever been commissioned since I have owned them since new.


I asked for it on my DS here in Reno, when I got my first FW update that requires to be done at the dealer.


I also asked for it in Oak Grove, CA on my Zero SR in Oak Grove when I got my first FW update.


In both cases, I only got the FW update. In both cases, the service manager had no clue what "commissioning" even meant, so it never got past them.


Both bikes still run as well as new, so I don't even worry about it.


But I would recommend to anybody who wants to get their bike's motor "aligned" or "commissioned" to go for that service only and nothing else so it will have to get done.


-Don-  Reno, NV

My $200 600-mile servicing and inspection invoice included "motor commissioning". Frankly, I couldn't tell any difference in the way the bike ran after the "commissioning", so I haven't had it performed again, but then it didn't seem to hurt any, either.    BTW, I complained about the green charging light staying on at that service, but the shop said that they couldn't fix it. So I have learned to live with it.

[DonTom]

My $200 600-mile servicing and inspection invoice included "motor commissioning". Frankly, I couldn't tell any difference in the way the bike ran after the "commissioning", so I haven't had it performed again, but then it didn't seem to hurt any, either.    BTW, I complained about the green charging light staying on at that service, but the shop said that they couldn't fix it. So I have learned to live with it.

Where was it serviced?  And when do you expect the green light to NOT be on when it is?


-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

My $200 600-mile servicing and inspection invoice included "motor commissioning". Frankly, I couldn't tell any difference in the way the bike ran after the "commissioning", so I haven't had it performed again, but then it didn't seem to hurt any, either.    BTW, I complained about the green charging light staying on at that service, but the shop said that they couldn't fix it. So I have learned to live with it.

Where was it serviced?  And when do you expect the green light to NOT be on when it is?


-Don-  Reno, NV

That light should go out as soon as you've unplugged the charger....

[Richard230]

My $200 600-mile servicing and inspection invoice included "motor commissioning". Frankly, I couldn't tell any difference in the way the bike ran after the "commissioning", so I haven't had it performed again, but then it didn't seem to hurt any, either.    BTW, I complained about the green charging light staying on at that service, but the shop said that they couldn't fix it. So I have learned to live with it.

Where was it serviced?  And when do you expect the green light to NOT be on when it is?


-Don-  Reno, NV

I had the servicing performed where I bought my Zero at SFMoto in San Francisco. The green charging light should turn off when the OBC power cord is unplugged once the battery pack is fully charged. My light stays on until I cycle the ignition. However, this only happens once the pack is fully charged by the OBC. If I pull the cord while the light is blinking or within 10 minutes of the light turning solid, it will turn off as it is supposed to do. But if I wait longer, it will stay on until the ignition is turned on at which time it goes out.  On my old 2014 S the light would go out any time the OBC power was cut, but not on my 2018 S, which is why I mentioned it to the shop during the 600-mile servicing.

[DonTom]

. The green charging light should turn off when the OBC power cord is unplugged once the battery pack is fully charged. My light stays on until I cycle the ignition. However, this only happens once the pack is fully charged by the OBC.

Will it still be on an hour later?


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

. The green charging light should turn off when the OBC power cord is unplugged once the battery pack is fully charged. My light stays on until I cycle the ignition. However, this only happens once the pack is fully charged by the OBC.

Will it still be on an hour later?


-Don-  Reno, NV

Yes, if I charge via the OBC and then disconnect the power cord after more than 10 minutes the charge light on the dash will stay on for at least a day as I observed once. Now I either pull the power cord right after the green light turns steady, or I need to cycle the ignition on and off to get it to turn off. I have no idea what is happening when the charging light stays on for any length of time, but I wouldn't be surprised if the pack was being slowly drained. 

[DonTom]

but I wouldn't be surprised if the pack was being slowly drained. 

Nope.  I doubt you would even notice any difference if it were stuck on for a year. A small  LED  like that draws a lot less than one watt. You have many thousands of WHs in your battery. It would take years to drain your battery with that little light on 24/7.



-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

but I wouldn't be surprised if the pack was being slowly drained. 

Nope.  I doubt you would even notice any difference if it were stuck on for a year. A small  LED  like that draws a lot less than one watt. You have many thousands of WHs in your battery. It would take years to drain your battery with that little light on 24/7.



-Don-  Reno, NV

That is what I thought also. But leaving the green charging light on for a day and then turning the bike on to check the SOC, it had dropped from 100% to 99% just sitting in my garage.  That was when I got religious about getting that light off of my dash as soon as the pack was fully charged. Like I said, the shop had no idea what was going on when I asked them about it at the initial servicing and had no solution to correcting the issue. So I just live with it as a feature of my Zero.

[DonTom]

That is what I thought also. But leaving the green charging light on for a day and then turning the bike on to check the SOC, it had dropped from 100% to 99% just sitting in my garage.  That was when I got religious about getting that light off of my dash as soon as the pack was fully charged. Like I said, the shop had no idea what was going on when I asked them about it at the initial servicing and had no solution to correcting the issue. So I just live with it as a feature of my Zero.

Try it for a few days and see if it drops to less than that 99%. I don't think much of that first 1%. I have seen that 1% SOC drop happen occasionally on my bikes without any lights being stuck on.


But if it does drop down 3% soc in a few days, I will wonder what is being left on besides that light.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[sharagan]

when I left the bike on the charger longer for it to balance, the contactor clicked after charging was done, the green light stayed on and the BMS was balancing the battery with burning off the excess voltage in the higher charged cells. This will result in a lower overall state of charge. When I checked the next day, the  SOC was 98% and when unplugging and plugging the charger back in, the contactor clicked again and the charger charged the battery back to 100%.

This is my layman observation from what I saw and read from the logs, as I have no inside information about the architecture.

[Richard230]

Could it be "magic discharging"?   

[DonTom]

Could it be "magic discharging"?   

I have seen that happen on my Zero SR. I live on a hilltop. I can coast all the way down with regen and have a soc less on the bottom of the hill. But it only rarely has such a loss displayed and it's only one SOC (or two if it's one of the six SOC numbers that are skipped).


I really don't think anything of it. I don't have a lot of faith in the SOC display accuracy anyway.


-Don-  Reno, NV