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[SandyGnomes]

Yes, sorry, 22kW AC 3 phase is common in the UK.  Tesco let you use theirs for free.

[DonTom]

Yes, sorry, 22kW AC 3 phase is common in the UK.  Tesco let you use theirs for free.

Do you have EVs there than have three phase chargers and can do the full 22KWs on an AC charge?


That is almost as good as an Energica on a CCS DCFC, 24KW.


Give me a 22KW AC charger and the AC charge stations here and then they can keep the CCS.


CCS is ridiculously unreliable, especially in NV. When they break, nobody fixes them. They stay broken for months if not years.


For examples:


See here


and here


and here

and here.


I cannot get far on my Energica SS9- in Nevada. The most important CCS locations do not work and that is the norm. But the AC charge stations usually work.



-Don-  Auburn, CA

[SandyGnomes]

Renault Zoe is literally the only vehicle I know of that can do 22kW AC.

I work for a company that makes chargepoints and you probably don't want to get me started on how awful the CCS standard is.  Also they still haven't finished the spec to make it bidirectional.  Unfortunately it was made the standard for Europe so we're stuck with it.  Chademo is much better, but did require a completely separate connector.  I only found out recently that Zero was going to put Chademo on its bikes in 2013 but had lots of issues with chargers not fully implementing the standard, mainly not being able to set the voltage low enough even though the standard says they should work down to 50V.

[Skidz]

Some charging stations on mainland Europe go up to 43kW AC even, check the Fastned stations for example in NL. In Europe, some EV's use 22kW AC charging. I don't know if it's still possible but Tesla Model S could be equipped with a 22kW internal, and some Renault Zoe's use the motor inverter in reverse to reach 43kW AC... Nowadays 11kW seems standard in a vehicle.
The EVSE at home is a 3-phase 11kW unit, when I had the SR/S Premium I could fill it under 2 hours @ home. A lot of homes in NL have 3-phase 230V at 25 amps so theoretically 17kW is possible but when the dryer is running while charging it doesn't leave much left for the rest of the house
Regarding CCS, European users have a luxury position I guess. The EU is promoting CCS heavily, and with Tesla SC opening up it broadens the spectrum even more. I'm travelling to the UK next week so I can go take a look how the infra is there, but for now the apps show ample CCS outside of the Tesla SC's. On the CCS charges I've done I had 2 stations not working, but there was always one in a 10 mile radius that worked.

[lunarx]

You are right Don. The Delta Q charger is 850 watts. My home doesn't have 240Vs, just 120V. I still think that the OBC gets too hot for its own good when charging for a long time and that heat likely leads to one of its components failing eventually. I bet that if it had a fan to keep it cool it would last a lot longer. That Delta Q is a real brick. While it also gets pretty hot when charging, at least it has plenty of fins to keep it cool, especially when being used in my 60 degree F garage.

Friends don't let friends charge at 120v 

Here is what you need to start charging at 220v, in any house (except for the one described by DonTom)
https://quick220.com/products/copy-of-model-a220-15d-plus-2-adapters-for-international-plugs
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304570594177?hash=item46e9d27381:g:LacAAOSw5-xifd7f

I've been using this myself, since the Volt days of 2016.
The Chevy EVSE only draws 12A (at 220v) making it safe for residential 15A Circuits.
You end up with 2.9kW charging, which was plenty for me; on a Volt, Bolt & SR/S.

The secret is, the Chevy EVSE (and probably all L1 EVSE) provide L2 [220V] charging, when you connect them to 220V.
So the cord that came w/ your Zero might work too.
It you want, I can test my Zero L1 cord and confirm.
(I had already loaded up on Chevy EVSE's before getting a SR/S.)

L1 EVSE are low draw [12A] so they can work with the Quick220 and normal 15A Circuits.
You just need to find (2) Circuits on different phases (for the Quick220), which isn't hard to do.
It's all vetted on the Volt Forums and Quick 220 has more info, on their web site, as well.

Any questions; PM me and/or post here.

[Camellia]

My ideal Zero is exactly the same as my 2020 SR, but with 4 changes:

• Reverse gear
• Seat 1 inch lower
• Footpegs fully adjustable up/down and forward/back like a car seat, and you can slide them all the way forward to turn them into highway pegs
• Can charge faster than 6 kW (ideally it should have some kind of magical ability to turn 7kW Level 2 chargers into DC Fast Chargers )

[DonTom]

Can charge faster than 6 kW (ideally it should have some kind of magical ability to turn 7kW Level 2 chargers into DC Fast Chargers )

Your 6 KW AC to DC chargers have nothing to do with DC fast charging regardless of what you turn them into.


With DC fast charging, the charger on the road is the charger and it goes direct to your battery.


Only AC charging uses the charger on your bike. In 240 VAC (or 120 VAC) and out is the battery DC used for charging.


So if you changed your chargers to "DC Fast Chargers" they would no longer be part of your bike. They would be on the road.


The real issue is Zero's battery is too low of a voltage to use with any DC fast chargers we have on the road.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[MVetter]

Don is taking issue with your use of the term "magical" and really setting you straight. Give 'em hell, Don!

[Zelidar]

- Weight not exceeding 200 kg
- 220 Nm of torque (just a tad more than Energica  )
- ~20% more regenerative braking
- 16 kWh battery pack (nominal value)
- 12 KW premium AC charging AND still the glove compartment
- Cruise control which can resume a previous set speed
- Better driving position for > 180 cm
- Better seating for the passenger
- A more comfortable rear suspension
- A better rear brake
- LED signals
- Better high beam
- A smoother front brake
- Better protection against water splashing from the rear wheel

[Tony]

Just give my two cents here. I used to have the DSR, then switched to SR/F. Very happy with the change, this is what I liked when switching:

- Although heavier, the SR/F handled better for me. I am not an expert, but I suppose a more optimal weight distribution contribute a lot, and also the larger tires with rounded edges. Felt so much more smooth in curves.

- I am not sure a heavy bike is something to avoid necessarily. The heavier SR/F really felt a lot more stable at high speeds. I feel totally comfortable driving at 120 km/h, whereas the DSR would feel a bit flimsy and less stable.

- I love some of the accessories on the SR/F (premium). The heated grips has made it possible to stretch the season before giving up because of low temperature. I feel quite comfortable riding at high speeds until about 7C with these grips.

- Traction control is nice to have, you can never be safe enough when driving an MC, although in my real life experience it did not protect me when I needed it.

It is by no means perfect, I have been plagued by some software related problems and other stuff, but still remain the favorite among the two Zeros I have experience with at least.

The number one wish is for a longer range and faster charging. After this, just would just like it to work as it should, without any software bugs or maintenance problems.