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[wavelet]

The guy in the videos (trowan, or whatever his name is) is disingenuous to the point of dishonesty.
The back-of-envelope calculations look reasonable, AFAICT, but:

1) Sondors' site doesn't say anywhere  thatI can see "80mph sustained", only "80mph top speed". Big difference, and trowan repeats this several times.
It's quite rare that any vehicle vendor quotes a top sustained speed (airplanes aside), but if they do, they usually call it "cruising speed" and give a separate top speed. That should have tipped him off to double-check, since he's clearly not a newcomer to electric vehicles of various types.

2)  He pretends surprise that the max range claim isn't for the max speed, whereas it's the standard practice that pretty much every maker of every electric conveyance from the single-wheel scooter onwards. Very regrettable, but standard.

I think it's much more relevant and concerning that Sondors don't have a production-intent prototype yet (even if handmade) -- surely after selling 100K bikes they should have enough money to build one, even if not to homologate it?

[TheRan]

...I have no reason to doubt the Metacycle can hit 80mph with over twice the power at the rear wheel...

That's not quite how electric motors work, though, they are bound by their coils to certain limitations in rotation.  Not to mention the motor controller.

Just because it 'has the power' doesn't mean it 'has the speed'.

I also have no reason to think it can or can't, either, I don't know anything about the parts they're using.  But it's perfectly logical that it might not.

-Crissa

All I'm saying is power shouldn't be a limiting factor for the bike being able to hit 80mph. That's the only reason he said it wouldn't be able to reach that speed.

[MVetter]

The guy in the videos (trowan, or whatever his name is) is disingenuous to the point of dishonesty.

Counter-point: the layman will absolutely assume it can. I have a group of non-motorcycle friends I talk to often, and one of them brought up this new Sondors thing he read about that could do 80 miles an hour and 80 miles of range. He thought that was so cool.

[wavelet]

The guy in the videos (trowan, or whatever his name is) is disingenuous to the point of dishonesty.

Counter-point: the layman will absolutely assume it can. I have a group of non-motorcycle friends I talk to often, and one of them brought up this new Sondors thing he read about that could do 80 miles an hour and 80 miles of range. He thought that was so cool.

How so?
 I didn't mean that it's wrong to debunk unreasonable claims -- of course it's a good thing.

However, no need to pretend that Sondors is the only one doing it, just for his channel's dramatic effect. That's dishonest when he clearly knows better.

[TheRan]

The guy in the videos (trowan, or whatever his name is) is disingenuous to the point of dishonesty.

Counter-point: the layman will absolutely assume it can. I have a group of non-motorcycle friends I talk to often, and one of them brought up this new Sondors thing he read about that could do 80 miles an hour and 80 miles of range. He thought that was so cool.

Would he also assume that a Tesla can reach its specified range at its top speed? Presumably he drives, probably a gas car, and is aware that their fuel consumption varies based on speed and that's the reason for manufacturers giving multiple efficiency ratings (highway, city, combined). I think even a layman understands that when a battery powered electrical device does more work it will have a shorter battery life, like maxing out the brightness on their phone's screen or turning up the volume on their bluetooth speaker.

[MVetter]

Would he also assume that a Tesla can reach its specified range at its top speed?

Probably

Presumably he drives, probably a gas car, and is aware that their fuel consumption varies based on speed and that's the reason for manufacturers giving multiple efficiency ratings (highway, city, combined). I think even a layman understands that when a battery powered electrical device does more work it will have a shorter battery life, like maxing out the brightness on their phone's screen or turning up the volume on their bluetooth speaker.

You give the public too much credit.

[Crissa]

Point of fact, no gasoline vehicle gives its range in miles based upon sustained top speed or even highway speed, either.

-Crissa

[Richard230]

Every time I hear about EV top speed and range I think about the hatchet job that Top Gear did to the original Tesla sports car back in the day, before they became an EV phenomenon and the public's term for an electric vehicle. They sure gave that poor car that they "tested" their usual treatment. 

[Richard230]

Here is the latest news regarding the Sondors Metacycle. Apparently it is on the move. But where are their dealers?  https://electrek.co/2022/06/26/sondors-metacycle-electric-motorcycle-shipping/

[JaimeC]

Here is the latest news regarding the Sondors Metacycle. Apparently it is on the move. But where are their dealers?  https://electrek.co/2022/06/26/sondors-metacycle-electric-motorcycle-shipping/

No dealers.  They're shipped directly to the customers.

[Richard230]

Here is the latest news regarding the Sondors Metacycle. Apparently it is on the move. But where are their dealers?  https://electrek.co/2022/06/26/sondors-metacycle-electric-motorcycle-shipping/

No dealers.  They're shipped directly to the customers.

Who then have to unbox and assemble the motorcycle themselves (unless they pay for the $700 White Glove service)? Just like my old and long-departed 1958 Sears Roebuck Allstate 125 motorcycle.     I also assume that the new owner will have to visit their DMV and get the bike licensed, too. 

[SHAG]

Would probably just have to adjust the handlebars, install mirrors, Check tire pressure, charge and go.

The paperwork would probably be a hassle at the DMV and Insurance would be interesting.  A new model bike insurance is high to begin with and kick in the fact that it's also their first run in the Motorcycle scene !!  Better hope that Flo likes you and you have a clean license $$$$$

[JaimeC]

Considering the bike's low cost and low power I doubt the rates would be that high even if it is a new model.

I recently went through the NYS titling and registration process myself when I bought a used bike from out of state.  It was relatively painless, actually (as long as you have all the right forms filled out and ready when you go).  Checking your State's requirements beforehand would be a VERY good idea.

[Richard230]

Considering the bike's low cost and low power I doubt the rates would be that high even if it is a new model.

I recently went through the NYS titling and registration process myself when I bought a used bike from out of state.  It was relatively painless, actually (as long as you have all the right forms filled out and ready when you go).  Checking your State's requirements beforehand would be a VERY good idea.

And in the U.S., I hope the Metacycle will have a 17-digit VIN, otherwise you will get the heave-ho out of the DMV office.