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[NHRstein]

Good day all,

I bought a new to me 2019 DS 14.4. So far I love it, I want to do a couple of things to make sure I am seen. The turn signals seem OK, but the LED Zero upgrades look like a solid improvement over the stockers. Also they require the relay to keep constant timing, this tells me they use slightly less current. I am not too worried about any range increase as it would not be noticeable, just don't want to overrun the DC - DC converter.

Also I want to change out the headlamp for an ARC Discharge HID. Startup current is a little higher than LED, but running current is about half. So again just looking to reduce the load on the converter. Additionally I will be adding LED driving lights, additional brake lights, and a brake light modulator.

The way I want to go about all this is to never cut a factory wire. Everything will use the factory connectors. So I did notice some of the SR/F models need a dealer program, as I assume they use canbus enabled bulbs, and they will need to tell the computer to expect less current. I was wondering if anyone had any idea if the DS model has similar complexities?

Also some other things. Has anyone considered the possibility of a canbus sniffer / logger installed in the bike during service? I am thinking the way canbus works all nodes receive all packets, so a logger might receive the packets with the password in it. I think building one of these is within my skill level so I might just try something like this. unless it has been tried before.

[ESokoloff]

I doubt you have to do anything other then switch out the turn signal flasher for a solid state type.
I changed every Incandescent bulb on my 2016 DSR & ended up swapping 2 of the 3 wires in the flasher socket as Zero used on oddball flasher.
Swapping those 2 wires allowed me to use a readily available type.
I would not go with a HID headlight but rather a led one.

Here’s a list of what I did on my 16DSR   

I managed to cram these https://www.lasfit.com/products/lasfit-amber-yellow-1157-bay15d-led-turn-signal-parking-reverse-light-1157a-7528 into my front turn signals tho I don’t recommend this due to the difficulty level.
I also installed on each hand guard 2 forward & 1 side facing Amber 3w 11mm led bolt  https://www.oznium.com/led-bolts-prewired-leds/led-bolt  they act as running lights & flash when turn signal/flashers are enabled via this controller https://www.skenelights.com/online-store/IQ-250-A-TS-Front-Lighting-Controller-with-Alert-&-Turn-Signals-p80222667
This also flashes the running lights for several cycles if the brakes are rapidly applied in quick procession thus alerting oncoming traffic.

For the rear I went with Weiser https://www.weisertechnik.com/product/extreme-evo-g-310-triple-function-rear-kit/   pricey but the work well. I sealed the turn signal lenses with blk silicone (first applied masking tape strips on both sides of seem for a clean look). Leave the weep hole on the bottom alone/unsealed.
Also sealed the stock of each signal as I didn’t want air/dirt to be able to circulate by the leds.

Also I made a compact holder for 8 more led bolts that mount to the bottom of the Givi tail rack/base. 4 led bolts per side.
2 rear facing red & 1 Amber rear/side facing & 1 red side facing.
I wired them with resisters so they act as running & turn light (Amber is turn only). I also have a brake light flasher on them to rapidly pulse for a few seconds upon brake activation.
I also have a led light bar mounted on the bottom of my license plate https://admorelighting.com/product/admore-smt-light-bar-small/ (note that I had to install a piece of sheet metal approximately the same size as aluminum license plate as the plate was not strong enough for the extra weight).
Lots of extra wires under the seat but I managed to hide it all for the most part within the stock wire loom sheathing.

For the headlight I had a drop-in led bulb but it failed & I had discovered that the headlights reflecting surface had come off substantially.
I decided to upgrade to a JW Speaker 5.75” Adaptive headlight assembly https://www.jwspeaker.com/products/adaptive-led-headlights-model-8690-adaptive-2/ & I carved out a round hole in the stock housing to accept the JW as well as fabricated a mount for it. I applied several layers of selective yellow film to the headlight running light & installed an led.
It was a lot of work but the extra & adaptive lighting is very nice.
I mounted a pair of Denali D2’s to forks and put in yellow lenses so now I have 3 different colors of front lights.   https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/denali-d2-20-led-light-pod-with-datadim-technology

Also I put a pair of horns in the faux gas tank and used a single pole/dbl throw relay so my heated grips & vest turn off when the horns are tooted so as not to overload the electrical system.

[NHRstein]

Damn Bro, I don't think anyone is going to miss you. Or if they do, they are blind. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do much programming. Also, why the recommendation against HID? I have used them in a few other vehicles, and outside of some fairly easy to mitigate electrical noise from the switching ballast they seem to work well. Have you had a bad experience with them in the past?

I doubt you have to do anything other then switch out the turn signal flasher for a solid state type.
I changed every Incandescent bulb on my 2016 DSR & ended up swapping 2 of the 3 wires in the flasher socket as Zero used on oddball flasher.
Swapping those 2 wires allowed me to use a readily available type.
I would not go with a HID headlight but rather a led one.

Here’s a list of what I did on my 16DSR   

I managed to cram these https://www.lasfit.com/products/lasfit-amber-yellow-1157-bay15d-led-turn-signal-parking-reverse-light-1157a-7528 into my front turn signals tho I don’t recommend this due to the difficulty level.
I also installed on each hand guard 2 forward & 1 side facing Amber 3w 11mm led bolt  https://www.oznium.com/led-bolts-prewired-leds/led-bolt  they act as running lights & flash when turn signal/flashers are enabled via this controller https://www.skenelights.com/online-store/IQ-250-A-TS-Front-Lighting-Controller-with-Alert-&-Turn-Signals-p80222667
This also flashes the running lights for several cycles if the brakes are rapidly applied in quick procession thus alerting oncoming traffic.

For the rear I went with Weiser https://www.weisertechnik.com/product/extreme-evo-g-310-triple-function-rear-kit/   pricey but the work well. I sealed the turn signal lenses with blk silicone (first applied masking tape strips on both sides of seem for a clean look). Leave the weep hole on the bottom alone/unsealed.
Also sealed the stock of each signal as I didn’t want air/dirt to be able to circulate by the leds.

Also I made a compact holder for 8 more led bolts that mount to the bottom of the Givi tail rack/base. 4 led bolts per side.
2 rear facing red & 1 Amber rear/side facing & 1 red side facing.
I wired them with resisters so they act as running & turn light (Amber is turn only). I also have a brake light flasher on them to rapidly pulse for a few seconds upon brake activation.
I also have a led light bar mounted on the bottom of my license plate https://admorelighting.com/product/admore-smt-light-bar-small/ (note that I had to install a piece of sheet metal approximately the same size as aluminum license plate as the plate was not strong enough for the extra weight).
Lots of extra wires under the seat but I managed to hide it all for the most part within the stock wire loom sheathing.

For the headlight I had a drop-in led bulb but it failed & I had discovered that the headlights reflecting surface had come off substantially.
I decided to upgrade to a JW Speaker 5.75” Adaptive headlight assembly https://www.jwspeaker.com/products/adaptive-led-headlights-model-8690-adaptive-2/ & I carved out a round hole in the stock housing to accept the JW as well as fabricated a mount for it. I applied several layers of selective yellow film to the headlight running light & installed an led.
It was a lot of work but the extra & adaptive lighting is very nice.
I mounted a pair of Denali D2’s to forks and put in yellow lenses so now I have 3 different colors of front lights.   https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/denali-d2-20-led-light-pod-with-datadim-technology

Also I put a pair of horns in the faux gas tank and used a single pole/dbl throw relay so my heated grips & vest turn off when the horns are tooted so as not to overload the electrical system.

[ESokoloff]

I’ve had mixed results with HID & see them as a stepping stone in the lighting world just as I see LED’s on the way to lasers (many years out).

https://www.google.com/search?q=laser+headlights&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:96ce7070,vid:Djc9e-1G35Q,st:0

To each their own, I’m done with HID.
https://www.xenonpro.com/led-vs-xenon-hid-headlights-which-are-better

Make yourself as visible as you can & then conduct yourself as if your invisible to others on the road. 

[NHRstein]

Laser looks like a pretty awesome solution. Also it looks like LED has got better since the last time I looked ~3 years ago. I ordered the HID kit already, I might return that for the LED. Or just use it until it fails. Thanks for the Info!!