ElectricMotorcycleForum.com

  • November 25, 2024, 07:46:05 AM
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Electric Motorcycle Forum is live!

Pages: [1]

Author Topic: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F  (Read 401 times)

mdemin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« on: November 05, 2021, 01:59:21 AM »

Hello,

I am getting a new bike and I need to increase mileage on odometer to make it older. Right now it is under 1000 and the plan is to go over 5000.
What is the source of the speedometer ? ABS sensor or the encoder in the motor ?
My idea is to either:
1. rise the rear wheel to spin it in the air for some time or
2. generate ABS signal if that is the source of speed for the MBB/dashboard

The easiest would be to reprogram the MBB/dashboard with higher number, but the passwords for MBB are probably nowhere on the internet, right ?
Logged

Shadow

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1085
  • 130,000mi electric since 2016
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2021, 02:08:44 AM »

3. Ride it 5000 miles?
Logged

shayan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 345
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2021, 02:15:31 AM »

Hello,

I am getting a new bike and I need to increase mileage on odometer to make it older. Right now it is under 1000 and the plan is to go over 5000.
What is the source of the speedometer ? ABS sensor or the encoder in the motor ?
My idea is to either:
1. rise the rear wheel to spin it in the air for some time or
2. generate ABS signal if that is the source of speed for the MBB/dashboard

The easiest would be to reprogram the MBB/dashboard with higher number, but the passwords for MBB are probably nowhere on the internet, right ?

Not sure I understand the reason to do this other than riding it for 5000 miles, like Shadow mentioned above?
Logged
-Shayan

2023 Energica Ribelle RS

mdemin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2021, 02:38:22 AM »

Reason is the taxation system in Europe which treats bike as new until it is over 6 months old and has more than 6000km on the clock(bike is older than 6months, but only 1000km on odo). If it is as new, I must pay tax and the old owner from previous country gets a refund which he does not want to give back.
This is not evading taxes, just evading having to go through the process of refunds that the previous owner is unwilling.
And I must do it in couple of days without license plates and winter is coming 🙂
« Last Edit: November 05, 2021, 02:40:17 AM by mdemin »
Logged

JaimeC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1987
    • View Profile
    • Facebook page
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2021, 02:38:51 AM »

3. Ride it 5000 miles?

That's the way I'd do it!
Logged
1999 BMW K1200LT
2019 Yamaha XMAX
2021 Zero SR

Richard230

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9670
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2021, 03:40:23 AM »

3. Ride it 5000 miles?

That's the way I'd do it!

California has the same sort of regulations for used vehicles being imported from other states. They need to have 7,500 miles on the clock before they can be registered here. One of my friends bought a Buell Blast (don't ask me why  ::) ) in Florida, which had been used as a H-D trainer with very few miles shown on the speedometer. He first tried to hook up a drill to the speedometer cable before deciding that was likely to wear out his drill before he reached 7.5K moles. He said that he was able to design some sort of electronic device that was able to change the odometer reading, which upped the mileage so that he could register the bike. But I have no idea how that was done.

I have a vague recollection (which could be wrong) that there was a code that could be punched into the display of my Zero 2012 S that would allow the mileage to be changed.  Of course such a change would be in violation of government laws.  ???
Logged
Richard's motorcycle collection:  2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2020 KTM 390 Duke, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 (FZS1000N) and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.

mdjak1

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 290
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2021, 04:03:59 AM »

And I must do it in couple of days without license plates and winter is coming 🙂

You need to go 104.1667 mph for 48 hours (5000/48).  With an electric motorcycle, that is impossible unless you can charge while the motor is spinning at maximum speed.  Even then, it will probably overheat and shut down.
Logged

gt13013

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 302
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2021, 04:16:42 AM »

My bike went to the Zero repair shop with 17327 kms on the odometer. They replaced the controller, made some settings, and I got it back some days later with 19406 kms on the odometer. It means that they artificially added 2079 kms during this repair.
So, it should be possible to add the amount that you need, if you find a comprehensive dealer...
Logged
Zero S 2023, Zero FXS 2016

Shadow

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1085
  • 130,000mi electric since 2016
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2021, 12:13:03 PM »

The technical discussion would lend itself to, does the bike increment the odometer if the rear wheel is not spinning?

There's a means to disable ABS, and then run the bike without a belt engaged to the pulley. I'm recommending against running the motor unloaded. Additionally if such a foolish action were taken it would be wise to aim a pair of box fans at the bike to increase air-cooling capacity.
Logged

mdemin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Re: Increase mileage on odometer on SR/F
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2021, 02:28:42 PM »

What would happen to unloaded motor running at say 60mph/100kph ? The consumption would be negligible, I think it could do like 600miles/1000km even more.

I was thinking about tapping into CAN on the OBD port and supposedly there is exchange of odometer counter on the startup between MBB and dashboard (at least it was so on the previous zeros ?). Then all I have to do is fake some packets and it should update either of the units and increase the counter.
Logged
Pages: [1]