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[MVetter]

I sincerely doubt I outrange you, man. I am basically the worst case scenario.

[DonTom]

I just did some more simple  math with Energica's own specs of range comparing the "+" to the "-" bikes. The plus has an 18.9 KWH battery and the minus models have a 11.7 KWH battery (the useable capacity to us).


Energica claims the minus models have a range of:


124 miles city/ 100 miles combined/ or 80 miles on the highway,


That is 10.598  miles per KWH city/ 8.547  miles per KWH combined and 6.8376 miles per KWH highway.


Energica claims the plus models get 249 miles city/ 143 miles combined/ 112 miles.


I will put them in the same format below to make comparison easier:


That is per KWH  13.174 city/ 7.560 combined / 5.9259 highway  for the Plus.


That is per KWH  10.598 city/ 8.547 combined / 6.8376 highway for the minus.


How far off is Energica's specs when they compare the Plus to the Minus?  What do the Pluses really get for approximate  range at various speeds? From 100%  SOC to a few SOC left? And how does it really compare to my 11.7 KWH? Seems we cannot use Energica's specs for accuracy.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[ultrarnr]

Don,

I have the 21.5 KWH Ribelle. Max range for me is 110 miles, no way I could ever make 142 miles. My 110 mile max range is based on me at 180 lbs, the easy rolling hills of eastern NC (south of Raleigh) speed at mostly 55-60 but some 35 and 45 mph mixed in. There is a rider who posts over on advrider.com who claims 130-140 miles on his Ribelle no problem but he also mentions he weighs about 150 and his lighter weight could make a difference in his range. Not sure of the terrain he is on but think he lives in CA.

[NEW2elec]

The wind rather than the weight would be the main factor for that kind of difference.  The CA guy must be in more city traffic type speeds than he realizes or admits, or he is in a low tuck.

If the two of you were riding side by side same road, same speed, same riding position, I doubt he would get 5 more miles of range from his less weight.

On the other hand maybe you could send in your battery logs just to make sure you're getting all the juice you should. 

I have to admit that your range seems disappointing from a 21.5kWh battery.  I feel I could still get 85-90 miles out of my 11.4kWh 2013 Zero if I'm under 55MPH in summer.

[BigPoppa]

I haven't posted my range figures in awhile and I haven't measured range in city/back road riding conditions, but since I commute on my bikes, I have measured freeway range at 75mph (GPS) multiple times on both of my bikes. My freeway figures are:

13kw SS9: 90% SoC  used to go 50 miles
21kw Ribelle: 90% SoC used to go 80 miles

The above ranges are a constant 75mph with no lane splitting. Here in my area, even 75mph feels dangerously slow at times and I normally ride faster during my commutes.

I know my local city/back road riding is significantly more on both bikes but I haven't tried to measure it since I'm an aggressive rider and my speed & acceleration fluctuates widely in those conditions.

[princec]

Hm the 14.4 Zero I'm on did 100 miles yesterday with 15% remaining. Admittedly I rode like a nun for half of the journey (55mph max), but the first half was normal 60-65mph in between towns and villages.

Cas

[Richard230]

Hm the 14.4 Zero I'm on did 100 miles yesterday with 15% remaining. Admittedly I rode like a nun for half of the journey (55mph max), but the first half was normal 60-65mph in between towns and villages.

Cas

And like I have said before, my 2018 Zero S with Power Tank (with a claimed 16.6 kWh) once went 150 miles on a single charge, which included two 1500-foot elevation uphill and downhill slogs at 35 mph and then a 55 mph run against a headwind up the coast highway to home (which gobbled up the last 50% SOC).

Most of my Zero riding now is back and forth to my daughter's home located 38 miles away. About 20 miles is usually around 65 mph, including a couple of 500-foot elevation rises, with the other 18 miles consisting of stop-and-go, being ridden at a average of 40 mph, between stops. When I am riding against the wind on a cold morning (40 degrees F) I will arrive at her home with the display showing as little as 62% SOC. But on a morning with no wind and a temperature of 55 degrees F, I will see 72% SOC. On the return trip, typically with a moderate to stiff side wind and the temperature around 70 degrees F, I will usually arrive home also with 72% SOC, but that ride usually includes more aggressive throttle action and more stop-and-go. Between my weight, and a full top box and seat pack of stuff, the additional weight, over and above the bike's 452 pounds, is typically about 180 pounds.

The only odd thing I really notice lately, which may or may not have anything to do with a slightly degraded battery, is that the first 2% SOC is going away noticeably faster than it used to do. 

[reini]

Another data point from yesterday with my SS9+: 179 km of backroads used 90% charge (done in about 3h). Half of it hooning around, half in rain, one 1000m climb, lots of twisties with breaking/accelerating.

150 to 200km seems to be what I'm getting per charge with my driving style.

[DonTom]

And like I have said before, my 2018 Zero S with Power Tank (with a claimed 16.6 kWh) once went 150 miles on a single charge, which included two 1500-foot elevation uphill and downhill slogs at 35 mph and then a 55 mph run against a headwind up the coast highway to home (which gobbled up the last 50% SOC).

Most of my Zero riding now is back and forth to my daughter's home located 38 miles away. About 20 miles is usually around 65 mph, including a couple of 500-foot elevation rises, with the other 18 miles consisting of stop-and-go, being ridden at a average of 40 mph, between stops. When I am riding against the wind on a cold morning (40 degrees F) I will arrive at her home with the display showing as little as 62% SOC. But on a morning with no wind and a temperature of 55 degrees F, I will see 72% SOC. On the return trip, typically with a moderate to stiff side wind and the temperature around 70 degrees F, I will usually arrive home also with 72% SOC, but that ride usually includes more aggressive throttle action and more stop-and-go. Between my weight, and a full top box and seat pack of stuff, the additional weight, over and above the bike's 452 pounds, is typically about 180 pounds.

The only odd thing I really notice lately, which may or may not have anything to do with a slightly degraded battery, is that the first 2% SOC is going away noticeably faster than it used to do.  

Isn't it a claimed 16.3 KWH as is my 2017 SR? 

I think the first 2% could be because of a FW update. On mine, a few years ago, if I ride it around four miles, it would say 97% SOC when I parked when I went to the local Denny's for breakfast.  But after I got done eating and went back to the bike, I would turn it on and be at 100% SOC again, just as if I never left home. After one of the FW updates, it didn't do that anymore. I hope I didn't really lose my perpetual motion gain .

My Zero SR with power tank is the electric cycle I own with the best range. But on a long trip where I need recharges, my Energica is the way to go.

I was wondering if the Energica Plus models could make it from here in Auburn to my Reno house, 99 miles up and down hill at freeway speeds. Looks like it will be too close for comfort, just as my Zero SR with power tank. I think the Zero can do it, but I am too chicken to try it when the last two miles is all up hill to either of my two main houses.

I just recently discovered that the CCS charger at the Summit is free! Both sides of the Donner  Summit Rest Stop. That is within a few miles of dead center between my two main houses. A nice place to take a break!  Free CCS charging is rare. The only other place I have done a free fast charge is at the Hawthorne, NV rest stop

With the many new CCS charge stations, along with the fact that it takes twice as long to charge to full with the plus models, I see less and less reasons for the longer range models for around 95% of my riding. And that is getting better fast.

The longer range models, from Reno, will still will not get me to Susanville, CA on Hwy 395 or Salt Lake City on I-80. But it looks like it will get me to Bridgeport, CA  with a fast charge in Garnerville, NV. Not only that, I just discovered there is a new FREE CCS charger there in Garnerville!

Often, a CCS charge costs more than gasoline for the same distance on an ICE motorcycle. I am glad to see these free ones getting more common. I guess really paid for by our taxes.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[BigPoppa]

Glad to hear the free CCS chargers are starting to pop-up.

I don't use CCS chargers very often since 90%+ of my riding is well within range of an 80% SoC. As free (or easy to activate) CCS chargers increase along interstate and freeway routes, I may start taking longer road trips with my CCS capable EVs.

[DonTom]

Glad to hear the free CCS chargers are starting to pop-up.

I don't use CCS chargers very often since 90%+ of my riding is well within range of an 80% SoC. As free (or easy to activate) CCS chargers increase along interstate and freeway routes, I may start taking longer road trips with my CCS capable EVs.

Here in CA, most CCS chargers are near the major freeways. In Nevada, I find it's the opposite. Can go just about anywhere EXCEPT east on I-80. If you want to get to Salt Lake City, better take the "loneliest road in NV".


But in CA, there are CCS chargers almost every exit on I-80.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[DonTom]

Glad to hear the free CCS chargers are starting to pop-up.

I don't use CCS chargers very often since 90%+ of my riding is well within range of an 80% SoC. As free (or easy to activate) CCS chargers increase along interstate and freeway routes, I may start taking longer road trips with my CCS capable EVs.

I am the opposite. When I take my SS9, it's always far enough to need  charge on the road, if not several.  If I am not going that far, I will take one of my Zeros, usually the DS.


When I take my SR, it's about 50-50.


But I cannot think of a single time when I took my SS9 and not need a charge while on the road. I normally use it for trips of more than 100 miles round trip.


BTW, did you unload your SS9 yet?


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[BigPoppa]

I'm working with a forum member to work out the specifics for completing the sale.