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JaimeC

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FINALLY! News on the Fuell Flllow!!
« on: November 17, 2022, 06:23:55 PM »

https://electrek.co/2022/11/17/erik-buell-futuristic-fuell-fllow-electric-motorcycle/

I just hope I live long enough to see them on the road...
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Re: FINALLY! News on the Fuell Flllow!!
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2022, 02:18:03 AM »

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The Fllow isn’t quite ready for its US production to begin yet, but is taking reservations ahead of production planning. The company says it hopes to collect around 3,000 reservations, which it says would show enough interest to start a crowdfunding campaign for the first bikes that would eventually lead to self-funding as production increases.
I haven't kept up to date on it but I thought they'd been taking pre-orders/reservations/deposits for ages. Still no guarantee really that you'd ever see something for your money.
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Re: FINALLY! News on the Fuell Flllow!!
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2022, 06:23:55 PM »

Yes, reliance on crowdfunding is a huge red flag to stay away from it. This always applies IMO to products that will require long-term maintenance/support (as opposed to crowdfunding cultural events etc.), but all the more so to someone like Erik Buell, one of the most respected names in the industry. If he can't line up real investors, after succeeding so well with Buell(*), something's really wrong.

(*)Buell the company/brand was a great success, and it was totally H-D's fault for closing them down, while they were profitable and the only source of new riders. No wonder H-D's foundering.
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Re: FINALLY! News on the Fuell Flllow!!
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2022, 08:51:00 PM »

If I remember the original announcement, the bike was designed with the thought in mind that it will have limited dealer support.  It is entirely modular and parts can be swapped out with minimal effort on the owner's part.  I'm guessing some kind of shipping arrangements are being worked on for shipping back defective or damaged parts and receiving new ones.  Just a guess.  One of the things that DID catch my eye is that the bike is designed for DCFC which puts it a step above Zero and Sondors.  It was NOT designed for performance but for practicality in urban and suburban environments so Energica has nothing to worry about.  Still, it sounds like it would be an AWESOME day-to-day commuter/errand runner/grocery-getter with that enormous built-in storage area!  I am intrigued, but not about to become an "early adopter."  I'll let others do Fuell's beta testing.

Oh, by the way... I've learned Erik has retired from the company back in March and is no longer involved with them.  He's FINALLY decided to just take it easy and enjoy life.  He said he doubts he'll be involved in the vehicle industry at any time soon.  Probably kicking back and working on his hobbies.  Well deserved.
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Re: FINALLY! News on the Fuell Flllow!!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2022, 08:39:29 PM »

If I remember the original announcement, the bike was designed with the thought in mind that it will have limited dealer support.  It is entirely modular and parts can be swapped out with minimal effort on the owner's part.  I'm guessing some kind of shipping arrangements are being worked on for shipping back defective or damaged parts and receiving new ones.
That makes the bike a total joke, regardless of design or specs.
The people who need/want suburban commuters (so, equiv. to 125cc scooters, not urban 50cc) are exactly the ones who have no interest whatsoever in working on the bikes themselves. They want a transportation appliance that has near-zero down time; they're not hobbyists with a garageful of bikes they could use instead (it's telling that pretty much none of EMF's members own less than 3-4 bikes...)
In most of the world, and in the US as well for apartment dwellers, those commuters also have no facilities they could work on a bike themselves.

Yes the BEV drivetrain is might be reliable and need little maintenance most fo the time, although this far from the case for BEV 2-wheelers: ~10% of Zero owners have bike-won't-run-failures that takes months to resolve, even in the US, and over here, the 125cc/250cc electric scooter owners have the same, precisely because parts/dealer networks aren't up to par (Domino's Pizza, who operate the largest BEV delivery fleet here in Israel, have 450 electric scooters & 50 e-bikes. To make it work, they keep 10 unused units or so as backup, to be called on when others fail).

Routine drivetrain maintenance aside, there are lots of other regular maintenance/replacement items, as well as accidents; sure, in theory, any ICE MC service shop could handle those, but in practice, they don't: I've heard shop owners say they're wary of this , since they don't have the proper training w.r.t.  how to handle the high-voltage system even just to disconnect it temporarily (and in some countries, it would actually be illegal for them to do any work on a BEV bike, aside from tire repair/replacement).

So a dense, large parts/dealer network is an absolute requirement for any EV 2-wheeler to become popular, another of the major reasons why it's no area for startups to be in.
And I don't wish any of those startups well. They're harming adoption because most will fail and give the rest a bad rep.
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