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FX or FXS? How About both? FX - FXS conversion
« on: July 26, 2019, 07:10:41 AM »

Both the Zero FX and FXS are about the most fun you can get on 2 wheels. Lots of people have trouble deciding which one to get. I personally ride  90% street and 10% off road, so a FXS was probably the best fit for me. However, the only X chassis anywhere near me was a 2018 FX at a deep year end demo discount last year.. so I had to get it. I have been spoiled with a DRZ400S with Warp 9 wheels that take about 30 minutes to swap from an off road warrior to a street carving machine, and wanted the same for my FX, it really makes it a well rounded bike you can use for a lot of things.

There are 3 ways to accomplish this:

1. Order FXS parts and make your FX a FXS with a front caliper relocation bracket (the cheapest & easiest)

2. Order FXS parts including the forks and caliper (about $1200 more expensive than above)

3. Order DRZ400 / KTM spec Warp9 wheels and machine spacers, rear pulley.. etc (this could get really expensive in a hurry)

I went with the first option and manufactured my own bracket. Below is a complete BOM of the parts needed to make your FX an asphalt carving FXS. You'll order these from your favorite Zero dealer:


Name                                                               Part Number         Price   QTY   Total Price
 
Front Wheel                                                    23-08065-4              300   1   $300
Rear Wheel                                                    23-08056-4               300   1   $300
320mm front rotor                                                 25-07702           55   1   $55
Front rotor screw                                                 90-07833           2.35   5   $11.75
Front Tire       Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-R17                               100   1   $100
Rear Tire      Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-R17                                 110   1   $110
Side Kickstand                                                    26-08099              90   1   $90
ABS ring                                                            25-08080              40   2   $80
            
                                                                         Total              $1046.75

You don't need the ABS ring if you are okay living without ABS (also more on this later). I also spent about $100 having a bracket machined.

You'll probably want new pads to keep with each set of wheels / brake rotors. This isn't required, but if you do - part number 25-08027 - $60

Also there is a 1.5mm washer / spacer between the pulley and the motor on the FX that should be removed when running the FXS wheels. I really didn't want to take out the motor and bother swapping this, and things have been fine after 1300 miles riding with the washer in place.

The install is pretty straight forward and simple:

1. Remove the FX front wheel and install the FXS front wheel, relocation bracket and caliper. I found laying the bike on it's side was the easiest way to get access to the front wheel. I had to place a couple of 2x4's under the center to get the bike high enough.

2. Remove the rear wheel. I swapped rear rotors - USE A TORCH TO HEAT UP THE REAR ROTOR HEX BOLTS. Zero used loctite and you will round off the head if you dont apply heat around the bolt shaft area. Also use a torch on the sprocket bolts as well.

3. Install FXS rear wheel with FX sprocket and FX brake rotor. This is kinda tricky to get in place, I had to remove the rear caliper to fit the wheel in there.

4. Install the FXS kickstand. This can be tricky with how strong the spring tension is.

A couple of observations and notes:

- The FX front shock tubes are longer than the FXS shock tubes by about 1 1/2 inches.
- The FXS front shock tubes are actually DS shocks.
- ABS kinda works.. and I mostly mean it doesn't work. Initially on your ride, ABS will kick in if you need it to, however it doeskin take long for the ABS light to light up and disable ABS.
- Sometimes before the ABS light kicks on, you'll get a rear brake lock-out situation where the bike's abs pump will prevent you from engaging the rear brake. This is short lived. You can pull the ABS fuse to fix this, but the larger front rotor stops so well I haven't felt I needed to do this yet.
- The lower seat height is a nice bonus, I'm 5'8" and can comfortably touch on both feet.
- I find with the FXS wheels I am much more comfortable and aggressive with pushing the bike on pavement. Corners are much more fun.
- With the stock FX brakes, they felt underwhelming and on a couple of occasions, I felt I squeezed all I could out of them coming to a quick stop. With the FXS rotor, I haven't come anywhere close to that and feel I could lift the rear tire with ease if I needed.
- The speedometer is off about 6%. At 53mph, my GPS says 50mph. This was acceptable for me to leave alone.

I love this setup. This allows me to have some cool D606's on the FX rims for much better off road fun and still be great on the street with the FXS wheels.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2019, 07:19:35 AM by NoMoreIdeas »
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Re: FX or FXS? How About both? FX - FXS conversion
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 12:43:34 AM »

Here's what I did. I had one of each but prefer the Supermoto setup.Was originally intending on converting the FX when I purchased it in 2015. The FXS wasn't available until 2016.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8641.msg72784#msg72784

See also my kickstand instructions.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8716.msg74018#msg74018
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Re: FX or FXS? How About both? FX - FXS conversion
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2019, 05:39:31 AM »

Here's what I did. I had one of each but prefer the Supermoto setup.Was originally intending on converting the FX when I purchased it in 2015. The FXS wasn't available until 2016.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8641.msg72784#msg72784

See also my kickstand instructions.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8716.msg74018#msg74018

I read yours before I did mine! Actually looked on ebay for a couple months and didnt find anything.
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Re: FX or FXS? How About both? FX - FXS conversion
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2020, 04:10:17 AM »

Both the Zero FX and FXS are about the most fun you can get on 2 wheels. Lots of people have trouble deciding which one to get. I personally ride  90% street and 10% off road, so a FXS was probably the best fit for me. However, the only X chassis anywhere near me was a 2018 FX at a deep year end demo discount last year.. so I had to get it. I have been spoiled with a DRZ400S with Warp 9 wheels that take about 30 minutes to swap from an off road warrior to a street carving machine, and wanted the same for my FX, it really makes it a well rounded bike you can use for a lot of things.

There are 3 ways to accomplish this:

1. Order FXS parts and make your FX a FXS with a front caliper relocation bracket (the cheapest & easiest)

2. Order FXS parts including the forks and caliper (about $1200 more expensive than above)

3. Order DRZ400 / KTM spec Warp9 wheels and machine spacers, rear pulley.. etc (this could get really expensive in a hurry)

I went with the first option and manufactured my own bracket. Below is a complete BOM of the parts needed to make your FX an asphalt carving FXS. You'll order these from your favorite Zero dealer:


Name                                                               Part Number         Price   QTY   Total Price
 
Front Wheel                                                    23-08065-4              300   1   $300
Rear Wheel                                                    23-08056-4               300   1   $300
320mm front rotor                                                 25-07702           55   1   $55
Front rotor screw                                                 90-07833           2.35   5   $11.75
Front Tire       Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-R17                               100   1   $100
Rear Tire      Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-R17                                 110   1   $110
Side Kickstand                                                    26-08099              90   1   $90
ABS ring                                                            25-08080              40   2   $80
            
                                                                         Total              $1046.75

You don't need the ABS ring if you are okay living without ABS (also more on this later). I also spent about $100 having a bracket machined.

You'll probably want new pads to keep with each set of wheels / brake rotors. This isn't required, but if you do - part number 25-08027 - $60

Also there is a 1.5mm washer / spacer between the pulley and the motor on the FX that should be removed when running the FXS wheels. I really didn't want to take out the motor and bother swapping this, and things have been fine after 1300 miles riding with the washer in place.

The install is pretty straight forward and simple:

1. Remove the FX front wheel and install the FXS front wheel, relocation bracket and caliper. I found laying the bike on it's side was the easiest way to get access to the front wheel. I had to place a couple of 2x4's under the center to get the bike high enough.

2. Remove the rear wheel. I swapped rear rotors - USE A TORCH TO HEAT UP THE REAR ROTOR HEX BOLTS. Zero used loctite and you will round off the head if you dont apply heat around the bolt shaft area. Also use a torch on the sprocket bolts as well.

3. Install FXS rear wheel with FX sprocket and FX brake rotor. This is kinda tricky to get in place, I had to remove the rear caliper to fit the wheel in there.

4. Install the FXS kickstand. This can be tricky with how strong the spring tension is.

A couple of observations and notes:

- The FX front shock tubes are longer than the FXS shock tubes by about 1 1/2 inches.
- The FXS front shock tubes are actually DS shocks.
- ABS kinda works.. and I mostly mean it doesn't work. Initially on your ride, ABS will kick in if you need it to, however it doeskin take long for the ABS light to light up and disable ABS.
- Sometimes before the ABS light kicks on, you'll get a rear brake lock-out situation where the bike's abs pump will prevent you from engaging the rear brake. This is short lived. You can pull the ABS fuse to fix this, but the larger front rotor stops so well I haven't felt I needed to do this yet.
- The lower seat height is a nice bonus, I'm 5'8" and can comfortably touch on both feet.
- I find with the FXS wheels I am much more comfortable and aggressive with pushing the bike on pavement. Corners are much more fun.
- With the stock FX brakes, they felt underwhelming and on a couple of occasions, I felt I squeezed all I could out of them coming to a quick stop. With the FXS rotor, I haven't come anywhere close to that and feel I could lift the rear tire with ease if I needed.
- The speedometer is off about 6%. At 53mph, my GPS says 50mph. This was acceptable for me to leave alone.

I love this setup. This allows me to have some cool D606's on the FX rims for much better off road fun and still be great on the street with the FXS wheels.


I am wanting to do the same thing to my 2013 Fx and have some questions.

The front brake caliper spacer. How do i go about having one made?
What other year bikes parts are compatible with my 2013 FX?

Thanks in advance
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Re: FX or FXS? How About both? FX - FXS conversion
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2020, 04:08:12 AM »

I just picked up an '18 FXS and am trying to figure out how to make a dirty setup happen. Prefer 21" to 19", and spokes to cast, but either would work. Not too worried about ABS, speed readout, or anything like that. Mainly I just want to avoid caliper relocation and other such fiddling - ideally it would be a simple "remove wheel/rotor A, install wheel/rotor B."

I found a quote from another thread implying that some years of DS wheels bolt on to certain FXS models - can anyone help confirm what years are compatible? If I can find a 19" DS wheel+rotor that bolts on, that might be the trick.

Or, if anyone has advice on a 21" spoked wheel that works, that would be awesome!

Ill make it easy for you

But a fxs
Buy 16 ds wheels


It will all plug and play for you, put knobbies on dual sports (on the ds wheels) leave your stock wheels with the street tires snd you can swap the wheels when you want nothing else.     

Dont waste your time getting fx wheels to work with the fxs front suspension. Its the same as everyone who went to s wheels on their fx's bit now more involved because the fxs has a different front caliper from fx
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Re: FX or FXS? How About both? FX - FXS conversion
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2020, 04:35:28 AM »

I think a 19" DS wheel should bolt right on, same size rotor too so no messing with caliper adapters. Only thing it will mess with is ABS, I don't know if that needs the software reprogramming or if the sensor ring for the 19" wheel has different spacing than the 17". As for which years will fit I think you'll be good back to at least 2016 when they added ABS (or maybe it was 2015), other than battery capacity Zero really hasn't changed all that much in quite a while.
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