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[TheRan]

That's not the reason, they're still selling the 7.2 FX/S as an 11kW model which has the same peak power as the 7.2 S/DS, and they sell the 14.4 models as 11kW too and they have even more peak power (44kW versus 34kW) as well as 109Nm of torque versus 106Nm from the 7.2 (this actually used to be offset by the 14.4 models having 20:90 gearing but they're now 18:90 like the 7.2 was).

[Richard230]

That's not the reason, they're still selling the 7.2 FX/S as an 11kW model which has the same peak power as the 7.2 S/DS, and they sell the 14.4 models as 11kW too and they have even more peak power (44kW versus 34kW) as well as 109Nm of torque versus 106Nm from the 7.2 (this actually used to be offset by the 14.4 models having 20:90 gearing but they're now 18:90 like the 7.2 was).

Well, then it is a mystery. It must have something to do with production difficulties, sales, profit margins, or maybe they are trying to steer customers toward buying the new F/S models and away from the legacy bikes? Frankly, I am surprised that the S/SR Zeros are still around. Perhaps Zero still has a pile of parts for those bikes that have not been used up yet. I do notice that the older models now seem to be using the Cyber II app system. I wonder how that differs from the old Zero app and will there be a cost to use it in the future like there is with the LiveWire's app?


** Moderator edit: source https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/en-ca/technology did poster mean to write Cypher II ?
Cypher II and Cypher III are 13+ years in the making and are the central technology that deliver the ultimate riding experience.

[TheRan]

That's not the reason, they're still selling the 7.2 FX/S as an 11kW model which has the same peak power as the 7.2 S/DS, and they sell the 14.4 models as 11kW too and they have even more peak power (44kW versus 34kW) as well as 109Nm of torque versus 106Nm from the 7.2 (this actually used to be offset by the 14.4 models having 20:90 gearing but they're now 18:90 like the 7.2 was).

Well, then it is a mystery. It must have something to do with production difficulties, sales, profit margins, or maybe they are trying to steer customers toward buying the new F/S models and away from the legacy bikes? Frankly, I am surprised that the S/SR Zeros are still around. Perhaps Zero still has a pile of parts for those bikes that have not been used up yet. I do notice that the older models now seem to be using the Cyber II app system. I wonder how that differs from the old Zero app and will there be a cost to use it in the future like there is with the LiveWire's app?

The thing is, just like how they axed the 14.4 non-R models in America, they're still making the bikes. They're making 7.2 S/DS's, they're just not going to ship them outside of America anymore. And with them still selling the F/XS I don't think it's down to profit margins and I don't think there would be that many people who would take one of those over an S/DS so I don't believe it's a sales issue. And finally I don't think it's because Zero wants people to buy an SR/F or SR/S instead, well I'm sure Zero would love that but they're about double the cost so realistically no one considering one of the cheaper bikes is going to be able to afford one.

[Richard230]

That's not the reason, they're still selling the 7.2 FX/S as an 11kW model which has the same peak power as the 7.2 S/DS, and they sell the 14.4 models as 11kW too and they have even more peak power (44kW versus 34kW) as well as 109Nm of torque versus 106Nm from the 7.2 (this actually used to be offset by the 14.4 models having 20:90 gearing but they're now 18:90 like the 7.2 was).

Well, then it is a mystery. It must have something to do with production difficulties, sales, profit margins, or maybe they are trying to steer customers toward buying the new F/S models and away from the legacy bikes? Frankly, I am surprised that the S/SR Zeros are still around. Perhaps Zero still has a pile of parts for those bikes that have not been used up yet. I do notice that the older models now seem to be using the Cyber II app system. I wonder how that differs from the old Zero app and will there be a cost to use it in the future like there is with the LiveWire's app?

The thing is, just like how they axed the 14.4 non-R models in America, they're still making the bikes. They're making 7.2 S/DS's, they're just not going to ship them outside of America anymore. And with them still selling the F/XS I don't think it's down to profit margins and I don't think there would be that many people who would take one of those over an S/DS so I don't believe it's a sales issue. And finally I don't think it's because Zero wants people to buy an SR/F or SR/S instead, well I'm sure Zero would love that but they're about double the cost so realistically no one considering one of the cheaper bikes is going to be able to afford one.

Well, I am about out of ideas regarding Zero's legacy model marketing plans for 2021. 

[Richard230]

Here is Zero's 2021 model spin for their European market:  https://electricmotorcycles.news/zero-motorcycles-reveals-2021-line-up/

[JaimeC]

Still pisses me off that I can't get the 14.4kWh battery unless I want to sink THOUSANDS more in an SR (with the attending higher insurance rate).  From what I've been reading about battery life I guess I'll be riding my 2018 for a very long time.

Of course, if they ever sell the SR/S in red, it may be a different story...

[shayan]

Still pisses me off that I can't get the 14.4kWh battery unless I want to sink THOUSANDS more in an SR (with the attending higher insurance rate).  From what I've been reading about battery life I guess I'll be riding my 2018 for a very long time.

Of course, if they ever sell the SR/S in red, it may be a different story...

Agreed and same here. I guess I won't be selling it anytime soon. Maybe will look at custom fairing and charging options and maybe a bit wider rear tire to make it touring friendly.

[TheRan]

Here is Zero's 2021 model spin for their European market:  https://electricmotorcycles.news/zero-motorcycles-reveals-2021-line-up/

Still no mention of a 7.2 S/DS, nor did MCN say anything about them, so it really does look like they're dead. Funny how that article shows the 7.2 models though.

[valnar]

If you preordered it, would Zero make you a 7.2 model?  Might be worth asking your dealer?

[JaimeC]

Still pisses me off that I can't get the 14.4kWh battery unless I want to sink THOUSANDS more in an SR (with the attending higher insurance rate).  From what I've been reading about battery life I guess I'll be riding my 2018 for a very long time.

Of course, if they ever sell the SR/S in red, it may be a different story...

Agreed and same here. I guess I won't be selling it anytime soon. Maybe will look at custom fairing and charging options and maybe a bit wider rear tire to make it touring friendly.

I think a Hollywood Electrics fairing may soon be in my future too.  That way, I'll have the 2021 S that Zero SHOULD have built.

[TheRan]

Well if you managed to order a 7.2 it would be a 2020 model, and because the bike is already built I doubt they'd be willing to put the 2021 plastics on it (unless you paid extra for them). However as that's the only difference with the 2021 models it's not a big deal, the problem comes once all the left over 2020 models have been sold.