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[heroto]

SS9+
This is my first attempt at using a tesla charger and also the Lectron. I had charged a Zero SR/F successfully with a Tesla Tap at this charger in the past.
After plugging in, the dash had a message something like "initiating DC fast charging". Nothing after that. Not a DC charger.
I don't have the tesla tap any more, so I can't do that obvious experiment.

My questions are:
What just happened?
Is anyone charging successfully on a Tesla charger? If so, what adapter are you using? (Is this a Lectron issue, or something else?)

[Crissa]

Hmm, someone else had a mysterious issue with their bike mistaking a teslatap? as a dc charger a month or two ago.

-Crissa

[Shadow]

HPWC which revision?

Rev3 (wifi new glossy all glass) apparently don't activate with TeslaTap.

[DonTom]

SS9+
This is my first attempt at using a tesla charger and also the Lectron. I had charged a Zero SR/F successfully with a Tesla Tap at this charger in the past.
After plugging in, the dash had a message something like "initiating DC fast charging". Nothing after that. Not a DC charger.
I don't have the tesla tap any more, so I can't do that obvious experiment.

My questions are:
What just happened?
Is anyone charging successfully on a Tesla charger? If so, what adapter are you using? (Is this a Lectron issue, or something else?)

Yes, it happened to me here, but the facts seem to indicate the problem was NOT in the Tesla-Tap (TT)  but in the Tesla-Wall Connector (TWC).  After I took a look inside the TWC, the problem never returned. And it would NEVER work even one time before I looked inside the TWC and worked every time after, no exceptions. However, I have no idea what I did that made the TWC work with the TT. All I did was take the cover off to look inside. But I had the exact same issue as you "initiating DC fast charging" on the AC charge. Then the TWC will need to be reset.

I own several TTs and two TWCs. Everything the same model, purchased at the same times from the same places. I only had the problem here in Reno regardless of which TT I used at which location.

There is something in the TWC that has to switch modes to work with the TT. In fact, that is why you must wait at least a half minute (I find it's closer to a minute) before connecting to the vehicle after the TWC is connected to the TT.

There is one more issue I have had but with older Tesla Destination Chargers. It will turn the charge off after five minutes of charge.  I have had this problem at two different locations, works well at all others.

99% of the time my TT  works perfectly.  It was the 50 amp one that gave me the 5 minute charge issue. Works perfectly here. So I put my 40 amp one in the bike but I have yet to test it at one of the TDC that gave me the 5 minute charge issue.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I had charged a Zero SR/F successfully with a Tesla Tap at this charger in the past.

I forgot to mention, in the previous post, the same here. The same Tesla Tap with the same TWC that would NOT work on my Energica, worked fine on my Zeros. Even right after it would NOT work on the Energica. And at the same power, around 3 KW (two Delta Q chargers also to the TT).

It is still a mystery of why, but the problem was in my TWC and only happened when connected to charge my SS9.

At least I fixed it by just opening the TWC case. I did NOT notice any pinched wires or any other problems, but it has worked perfectly on my Energica with the same TT ever since.

All I did was to compare the dip switch setting to my TWC in Auburn that did NOT have the same problem with the same TT.  There was nothing to change. So what really fixed it is anybody's guess.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

Every attempt to use my Energica with a Tesla station has been successful. As I mentioned on Facebook, the bike will read it as "Initializing DC charging" because of the protocols used by Tesla. Might I suggest attaching the adapter to the Tesla station, waiting 30 seconds, then plugging it into the bike?

[DonTom]

Every attempt to use my Energica with a Tesla station has been successful. As I mentioned on Facebook, the bike will read it as "Initializing DC charging" because of the protocols used by Tesla. Might I suggest attaching the adapter to the Tesla station, waiting 30 seconds, then plugging it into the bike?

I have only noticed that message when my Energica refuses to charge on AC, at least with my home Tesla Wall Connector.

I always wait more than the 30 seconds. I find here, at this house, as well as my same set up in Auburn, usually  the 30 seconds is not enough time. But when it once works, it never shuts off and charges to full every time.  I think on the road, 30 seconds is enough time, but I normally wait a bit longer just to be sure.

It seems to only happen on older Tesla Destination chargers. I have had it happen at two locations. Try yours here, if you ever get the chance. Read my review there.

IAC, check five minutes later to be sure all is okay if you use such. It will charge for a good five minutes before it shuts down. Also, notice the guy after my check-in with the Zero SR/S has the same issue. There are many J1772s in that area, fortunately. One right across the street.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[heroto]

Thanks to everyone for the tips
I think I tried waiting, tried waiting after attaching the Lectron but before plugging in, and tried the reset, all suggested in this thread. I'll try these again, with a stopwatch next time.
Just my opinion, but based on my Zero experience, older Tesla stations play well with everyone but some newer stations not so well. I'm not trying to steal anything, just trying to extend my range and keep rolling.

[DonTom]

Thanks to everyone for the tips I think I tried waiting, tried waiting after attaching the Lectron but before plugging in, and tried the reset, all suggested in this thread. I'll try these again, with a stopwatch next time.
Just my opinion, but based on my Zero experience, older Tesla stations play well with everyone but some newer stations not so well. I'm not trying to steal anything, just trying to extend my range and keep rolling.

AFAIK, you only need to reset if the light on the TD station changes from green to red.

But wait at least two minutes (yeah, it seems a bit long) without connecting to the bike, but the TT connected to the TD station, with juice.

If you connect to the bike before then, you will have to wait the full two minutes again and that's after you turn the power off (or disconnect) to the TT.  I find it's worth being patient, but it does NOT help with the TD stations that turn off in five minutes.

Anyway, that's been my experience. Now that I will carry a different Tesla-Tap with the bike, I will report here later when I go back to one of the stations that gave me the five minute shut down trouble before.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[KrazyEd]

I do not own, nor have I used any adaptors or the Tesla Destination chargers so this is a thought.
A friend took apart a Tesla Destination charger and discovered that there is apparently a switch
inside that can make it specific for Tesla only, or, generic to be able to be used with an adaptor.
I have read where Tesla is encouraging owners to convert to their latest connector to allow for
PAID Charging. This may have something to do with that.
Not sure if looking inside may have somehow flipped the switch.

[MVetter]

I do not own, nor have I used any adaptors or the Tesla Destination chargers so this is a thought.
A friend took apart a Tesla Destination charger and discovered that there is apparently a switch
inside that can make it specific for Tesla only, or, generic to be able to be used with an adaptor.
I have read where Tesla is encouraging owners to convert to their latest connector to allow for
PAID Charging. This may have something to do with that.
Not sure if looking inside may have somehow flipped the switch.

No, they don't have such a switch inside. That's not how the protocol for the stations works. There's a rotary dial to set different amperage limits and some other stuff, though.

[DonTom]

No, they don't have such a switch inside. That's not how the protocol for the stations works. There's a rotary dial to set different amperage limits and some other stuff, though.

That was what I was just going to say as I carefully checked every everything possible in my Tesla Wall Connectors.

However, I have no idea if the older destination charge stations were different.

But the Tesla-Tap paperwork  implies there is an automatic switch and that is why the wait is necessary for it to "switch to the J1772 mode".

BTW, is  "17_Energica Eva" you on Plugsharte who checked in on August 2 at the Nyack Road Shell?

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[MVetter]

BTW, is  "17_Energica Eva" you on Plugsharte who checked in on August 2 at the Nyack Road Shell?

Haha! No, not me, but I like it! I've been to that station before.

[DonTom]

Haha! No, not me, but I like it! I've been to that station before.

Do you normally check-in? If so, what do you use for a username at the charge stations? I use the same as here, DonTom.

BTW, are you familiar with an issue of trying to top-up a charge  when STARTING a charge at above 80% SOC on a Zero where 6 KWs OR MORE  of chargers will only charge at around 2 KW?

I thought it had something to do with the programing in  my external  Elcons, but now I know somebody with a Zero SR/S who had the same issue. See the check-in here from Lopsided.

Also, see mine from the  check-in here for the date of Aug 10, 2019. Both were before we realized what was really happening.

BTW, this does NOT happen when the charge starts at 70% SOC when it gets to 80% SOC. I will get the full 6.3 KW at 80% SOC as long as the charge starts at 70% SOC or below.

The way I deal with this issue is to not top-off  if not below 80% soc. If I do need to top off a charge, I will ride as fast as possible for a while to get below 80% SOC and then recharge back up to 100%, as that is a lot faster than waiting all day for a 2KW charge to complete.

While Lopsided was using a TeslaTap (he has the charge tank and charges at 12KW from Tesla Destination chargers where possible), I had the same thing happen many time from a J1772 station.

I wonder if you can explain what is happening.

-Don- Auburn, CA