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[DonTom]

I am sure all of us DSR/X owners know the bike has a great hill hold, that works just by pressing very hard on either brake. But it releases with the key out or sidestand down and does us no good when parked on a hill.


I have a lot of motorcycle junk and I got one of these with something else I ordered a while back.


I found this one linked above to work best of all that I tried on my Zero DSR/X.  It fits fine in the J-1772 compartment which requires no key. It's a great place to store it. Makes it easy to lock the brake on hills for parking. No need for the bullet brake on this bike if you have the above thingy.


But I can only find it on-line in Japan. But the main things you want is the long reach between the brake level and the throttle grip and for it to be as thin as possible so it will fit in the J-1772 compartment.


Others I tried do not have the correct spacing, but perhaps will work with a front brake level adjustment. I didn't even try that because there is another issue. The others I tried are thicker and do not fit as well in the J-1772 compartment of the Zero DSR/X.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Oilcan]

I purchased one very much like yours on Amazon. It does work well. I think it’s a much better option to the bullet brake.

[princec]

Also consider a simple security upgrade:
https://products.motorcyclenews.com/accessories/security/motorcycle-lever-locks/

Cas

[DonTom]

Also consider a simple security upgrade:
https://products.motorcyclenews.com/accessories/security/motorcycle-lever-locks/

Cas

I also own several of those. But I see no reason to use one of them on the Zero DSR/X which uses an immobilizer, which will make the bike difficult to rip-off, besides the fact that those will not fit in under the unlocked charge port cover, which makes it easy to get to when it is most needed.


BTW, I always use the locking type on my 2017 Zero DS when it is being carried on the hitch of my RV and I also often use it when parked.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[TheRan]

Never knew the DSR/X had hill hold, that's neat. Does it have a larger lockable storage compartment? I don't really see an advantage to not having to unlock one to get to the brake locking device. Presumably you have a disc lock that would also be stored in there and you're not going to be in a massive rush.

Also I don't think the fact it has an immobiliser matters all that much. I'd imagine a lot of thieves may not even know and those that do won't care, they'll just bypass it later on and if they can't all the other components are still really valuable. I wouldn't be surprised if an electric bike in parts is more valuable than a gas one in parts (relative to the value as a whole bike). Easier to sell as parts too.

[DonTom]

Never knew the DSR/X had hill hold, that's neat. Does it have a larger lockable storage compartment? I don't really see an advantage to not having to unlock one to get to the brake locking device. Presumably you have a disc lock that would also be stored in there and you're not going to be in a massive rush.

Also I don't think the fact it has an immobiliser matters all that much. I'd imagine a lot of thieves may not even know and those that do won't care, they'll just bypass it later on and if they can't all the other components are still really valuable. I wouldn't be surprised if an electric bike in parts is more valuable than a gas one in parts (relative to the value as a whole bike). Easier to sell as parts too.

Not even an authorized dealer can bypass an immobilizer. The only way to do it is to replace the immobilizer and then you also have a new set of keys with a different cut, most likely.  Your old keys even with the correct new cut will no longer work for the ignition.


Yes, the DSR/X has a lot of storage space even as a bare bike. The "tank" area has the most (a lot more than the Energica Experia) and also has a side panel that can be unscrewed (security star screws) for more storage. The tool to unscrew it is in the large tank that locks. And then there is a small space for many small things (such as charger & credit cards, etc.) under the seat that opens with a key. So all three will lock--as the tool to open the side is in the locked tank too.


If you're standing on a steep hill and need to park there, you want the thingy to hold the brake in very easy to get to. That means unlocked and grab it with your free left hand as you are holding in the brake with your right hand.  The hill hold will release as soon as the key is off or when the sidestand is down, which is kinda stupid, IMO, but that is the way it is.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[TheRan]

Never knew the DSR/X had hill hold, that's neat. Does it have a larger lockable storage compartment? I don't really see an advantage to not having to unlock one to get to the brake locking device. Presumably you have a disc lock that would also be stored in there and you're not going to be in a massive rush.

Also I don't think the fact it has an immobiliser matters all that much. I'd imagine a lot of thieves may not even know and those that do won't care, they'll just bypass it later on and if they can't all the other components are still really valuable. I wouldn't be surprised if an electric bike in parts is more valuable than a gas one in parts (relative to the value as a whole bike). Easier to sell as parts too.

Not even an authorized dealer can bypass an immobilizer. The only way to do it is to replace the immobilizer and then you also have a new set of keys with a different cut, most likely.  Your old keys even with the correct new cut will no longer work for the ignition.

Yeah that's what I was talking about, replacing the immobiliser. They'd be replacing all the locks anyway as they wouldn't have the keys. I just wasn't sure if the immobiliser was integrated into the MBB or something and would be a part only available to dealers.

If you're standing on a steep hill and need to park there, you want the thingy to hold the brake in very easy to get to. That means unlocked and grab it with your free left hand as you are holding in the brake with your right hand.  The hill hold will release as soon as the key is off or when the sidestand is down, which is kinda stupid, IMO, but that is the way it is.

That's why it's good to have a foot brake, even on an electric bike that doesn't require having the rear brake down there. Does the tank storage compartment require the key or is it a button press to unlock? I was watching a video a little while back where it was a button but I don't remember if it was the Experia or DSR/X, probably the former I guess.

It deactivating with the key off makes sense, because there's no power going to the ABS in that scenario (I assume that's how it works). While it doesn't need to turn off with the kickstand down it does kind of make sense. It's intended to hold you while stopped temporarily and from rolling backward, putting the stand down implies you're stopping completely and that also serves to stop the bike rolling backward. Also if it stayed on and someone parked their bike facing downhill and then turned the key off without realising it would cut power to the ABS pump the bike would roll and fall over, so it prevents them getting into that situation.

[DonTom]

That's why it's good to have a foot brake, even on an electric bike that doesn't require having the rear brake down there. Does the tank storage compartment require the key or is it a button press to unlock? I was watching a video a little while back where it was a button but I don't remember if it was the Experia or DSR/X, probably the former I guess.

It deactivating with the key off makes sense, because there's no power going to the ABS in that scenario (I assume that's how it works). While it doesn't need to turn off with the kickstand down it does kind of make sense. It's intended to hold you while stopped temporarily and from rolling backward, putting the stand down implies you're stopping completely and that also serves to stop the bike rolling backward. Also if it stayed on and someone parked their bike facing downhill and then turned the key off without realising it would cut power to the ABS pump the bike would roll and fall over, so it prevents them getting into that situation.

On both bikes, the Experia and the DSR/X require a key. The only difference is with the Experia, the bike must be turned on, and a button must be pressed on the left handlebar--the back menu button. The DSR/X storage lock is 100% mechanical, use a key with the bike on or off.


There are many ways they could deal with the issues you mention when on a hill. IMO, this way it is more dangerous.  Think about what can happen if you don't know to hold the front brake when the hill hold is on and then you turn the bike off.


BTW, I still think the DSR/X is a great bike. And the centerstand is in stock (but not at the dealer, still has to be ordered). I ordered more than 3K$ worth of stuff for it and my SR other day. I will reduce my range on a charge by making it into a great touring bike! I will have the side cases, centerstand, crash bars and travel trunk in about a week. A also decided to put the crash bars on my 2017 Zero DS. That bike is impossible for one person to pick up after it has been dumped. I hope I never find out if the crash bars will help with that issue.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I purchased one very much like yours on Amazon. It does work well. I think it’s a much better option to the bullet brake.

Don't knock the Bullet Brake unless you have tried it. It works great as a hill hold on both my Energicas and 2017 Zeros. Also works great for parking on a hill.


If the BB is used as a hill hold, you need to remember to put in the front brake before moving. I try to do that by habit even when I am NOT using the BB so I will also do it when I really am using it.  I forgot a couple of times and that must put a lot of strain on the belt/chain. The bike will not go anywhere with the BB on and that includes when you try to take off.


But the only issue with the DSR/X is when parked on a hill when it is keyed off or with the centerstand down.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[TheRan]

That's why it's good to have a foot brake, even on an electric bike that doesn't require having the rear brake down there. Does the tank storage compartment require the key or is it a button press to unlock? I was watching a video a little while back where it was a button but I don't remember if it was the Experia or DSR/X, probably the former I guess.

It deactivating with the key off makes sense, because there's no power going to the ABS in that scenario (I assume that's how it works). While it doesn't need to turn off with the kickstand down it does kind of make sense. It's intended to hold you while stopped temporarily and from rolling backward, putting the stand down implies you're stopping completely and that also serves to stop the bike rolling backward. Also if it stayed on and someone parked their bike facing downhill and then turned the key off without realising it would cut power to the ABS pump the bike would roll and fall over, so it prevents them getting into that situation.

There are many ways they could deal with the issues you mention when on a hill. IMO, this way it is more dangerous.  Think about what can happen if you don't know to hold the front brake when the hill hold is on and then you turn the bike off.

That's what I'm saying, if the hill hold stayed on then once the rider keyed the bike off it would roll. A lot of people key their bike off standing next to it and probably holding their helmet in their other hand. However most people put the stand down while still on the bike and with their hands on the bars, so when the bike starts to roll they would hopefully have the thought to grab the brake and catch it in time. Basically they've made it so you can't have hill hold on without you being sat on the bike and holding it up with your legs.