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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Richard230 on March 12, 2019, 03:37:44 AM
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My feeling is that the SR/F needs a separate section in the forum, as was created when the 2013 models were introduced. It seems to me that the SR/F is so much different in every way from previous Zeros that it should not be lumped in with the 2013+ Zeros. To make room for another model in the forum, I am pretty sure that at least one of the other brands could be replaced. Maybe even more than one. ;)
For historical research, the defunct brands could be lumped into the "other motorcycles" section. Or maybe one titled "dead ducks". ::)
What do you think? ???
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I don't think there's going to be as clean a year break as there was for 2013+
Looks like the existing models will coexist with the SR/f.
It'll be interesting to see if there are /f versions of all the model eventually.
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The new platform will likely sit alongside the X and S/DS platforms for a while, and it does seem to share a certain amount of subsystems with the same dealerships.
FWIW I'm debating how to handle the fundamental differences on the unofficial manual wiki, both from a content architecture point of view (how the hell does anyone find anything) and the amount of sheer effort in differentiating content as the curator. Especially since I'm tired of having this role without an agreed upon way for me to be compensated.
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I will add that it's already nearly impossible to tell from a forum post (title and which subforum it's on) what platform, model, and year the thread concerns.
Subforums should benefit us in terms of knowing what to pay attention to and what we can ignore. But they're already failing us.
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Yes, there should be a new section as it's a completely different bike, and probably the start of a new series.
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Definitely should not be called the srf group though. let's wait till there's a designation of the new platform, find out what zero calls it. It may be that the next one is the DSR/f, in which case I imagine we can collect the f platform. Or maybe they go in a different direction.
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For the short term I'd say no it's just one model and though it's a hot topic for sure I don't know how many more will follow.
Just looking at some of the features that wider rear tire only works for a street bike. I've not seen that type of frame on off road bikes but I havn't been looking for them at this point though.
I don't know if that swing arm could work for anything but the street, and I don't think that motor could fit without it.
Maybe there will be new models with their own new features but I think this platform is pretty well shoe horned into a street only use.
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I have some indications that there is at least one other model that is somewhat categorically different. Not that I know, and I'm trying to get some independent corroboration or to get someone from Zero to speak up.
Let's wait to see what Zero drops as an official manual or something. Unless, of course, the subforum can be renamed later.
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Perhaps the eventual solution will be designating a model year break, as was done with the 2012 and earlier bikes and the 2013 and later models? Perhaps, 2020 and later Zero models? Like has been mentioned, it is probably too early to decide how to organize the different years and discussions. Something to think about, though. ???
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I'd love to see it broken down into the old <200 mile range and the >500 mile range category. ;)
I do like the idea of grouping the dead companies into a group of "learning examples" of maybe what not to do.
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Yes, there should be a new section as it's a completely different bike, and probably the start of a new series.
This, it's a new frame, it has a separate and distinct style from the existing 2013-2019 series of S/DS bikes.
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If we are voting, I vote no. I think there is enough overlap between the two.
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+1 for "no". It's only different from my 2014 SR evolutionarily, not revolutionarily.
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The SR/F is more different from the 2013+, than the 2013+ is different from the 2012.
New design, new motor, new firmware, new screen, new tires, new swingarm, new brakes, new saddle, new headlights.. I don't know how it could be considered close.
Oh - it has the same mirrors. I get it.
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I think there is so much that is changed on this bike, it will have its own "issues" and should have its own section. AS one article stated, it kept the same turn signals, foot pegs, mirrors and battery (though this is even encased differently). All else is new, So my vote is yes for new section.
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FWIW I'm debating how to handle the fundamental differences on the unofficial manual wiki, both from a content architecture point of view (how the hell does anyone find anything) and the amount of sheer effort in differentiating content as the curator. Especially since I'm tired of having this role without an agreed upon way for me to be compensated.
FWIW on my end - THANK you, Brian! I‘ve survived with my Zero this long due to the UOZM, and I‘d like to see those responsible thanked. How about an annual donation, much like Wikipedia collects? The first time you access it in a calendar year, you are encouraged / invited / asked to donate. And that gets divvied up between the editors...
As for the separate part of the forum... ambivalent. Sorry.
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Totally agree, after 5 years of stability in design, the SR/F is opening a new era for the brand. So many differences, I understand why it was impossible to visit the factory months ago !!
it needs a different folder.
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The new platform is listed in the owner's manual as "FST". Maybe the subforum could use that as an organizing principle (although new owners will not see "FST" anywhere).
And yes there is a lot different about the platform such that it would be very important to distinguish SR/F questions from SR questions.
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The new platform is listed in the owner's manual as "FST". Maybe the subforum could use that as an organizing principle (although new owners will not see "FST" anywhere).
And yes there is a lot different about the platform such that it would be very important to distinguish SR/F questions from SR questions.
Cypher III designates just the new MBB or the whole architecture? Maybe what we've been using is Generation II and before 2013 was Gen 1?
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The new platform is listed in the owner's manual as "FST". Maybe the subforum could use that as an organizing principle (although new owners will not see "FST" anywhere).
And yes there is a lot different about the platform such that it would be very important to distinguish SR/F questions from SR questions.
Cypher III designates just the new MBB or the whole architecture? Maybe what we've been using is Generation II and before 2013 was Gen 1?
Cypher III is the software, and isn’t mentioned much, so difficult to identify.
We could call it a new generation but need newcomers to quickly identify where to post or read threads about their bikes.
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Still an embargo on reviews. No bike loaned to independent testers.
Why the embargo? What does Zero gain by hiding?
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Here's one Heroto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG_cuVE4l-M
I saw one from some Brits and they were having some range and charging issues on their pre production media bike.
I posted Bill Kerr's ride from YT on here in one of the SRF threads or just search it on YT.
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Thanks, but surely you'll agree this is limited at best.
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Thanks, but surely you'll agree this is limited at best.
I tend to agree. There are a lot of motorcycle reviews in the press, both in magazines and on the internet, but finding instrumented performance testing is hard to come by. Also direct comparison of motorcycle models (the infamous "shootouts") don't seem be be nearly as frequent as they were in the past, I imagine because no brand likes to be called a "looser" - especially one that pays the bill for the reviewers with advertising. And that goes triple for electric motorcycle models. ;)
Zero has always seemed to be a little reluctant to give the motorcycle press a test vehicle to ride for more than a few hours at a time. My observation is that it can be many months after a Zero bike hits the showroom floor before it is obtained for any length of time by the press. However I can see how Zero might want to sell every bike they can make before allowing the press to get their hands on one. (A dollar in the bank is worth two in the bush.)
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"With the SR/F, the decision was to take all they had learned with the first two generations and apply it to a blank sheet of paper. Askenazi sums it up: “This [generation] gave us the ability to get it all from the start: industrial design, mechanical engineering, powertrain engineering, electrical engineering. When we started this project it was all about, now there’s no fences. How do you take advantage of that?†When the dust settled, the only parts shared with the previous generation Zeros were: footpegs, mirrors, turn-signals, e-throttle, handgrips, bar endcaps, wheel-speed sensors and magnets, horn, reflectors, and sidestand-switch."
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/zero/exclusive-2019-zero-sr-f-review-first-ride.html
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Cycle World "First Ride" article where they were able to get the SR/F on to a dyno: https://www.cycleworld.com/2020-zero-sr-f-electric-motorcycle-first-ride/
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"0 to 60 mph in 1.57 seconds"
I knew it felt like that, but reading it... a little intimidating.
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"0 to 60 mph in 1.57 seconds"
I knew it felt like that, but reading it... a little intimidating.
That performance figure just doesn't seem possible to me for a motorcycle without wheelie bars, different gearing and a really sticky tire. My guess is that acceleration measurement must have been to 60 KPH. ???
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Upon further examining the 0-60mph is in the dyno section of the article.
"(it pulled 0 to 60 mph in 1.57 seconds in Sport Mode)—and, yes, the uncanny silence. We all stood around talking afterward "
…….."With the dyno runs in the books,"
Whether the dyno was programed for the weight is in doubt, I think generally things being dyno tested are tied down so the coefficient of friction at the tire does not come into play. Or what happens at the mentioned 2g force applied at the tire with the center of gravity higher than the tire contact patch. The type (well brand anyway) of dyno is described. "It was on the Dynojet dynamometer"
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Upon further examining the 0-60mph is in the dyno section of the article.
"(it pulled 0 to 60 mph in 1.57 seconds in Sport Mode)—and, yes, the uncanny silence. We all stood around talking afterward "
…….."With the dyno runs in the books,"
Whether the dyno was programed for the weight is in doubt, I think generally things being dyno tested are tied down so the coefficient of friction at the tire does not come into play. Or what happens at the mentioned 2g force applied at the tire with the center of gravity higher than the tire contact patch. The type (well brand anyway) of dyno is described. "It was on the Dynojet dynamometer"
The Dynojet seems to be the standard in the motorcycle industry. It would appear to be a relatively cheap option to the old-style eddy-current dynos, which were expensive and measured continuous power and not just power needed to accelerate a motorcycle. My limited understanding of the Dynojet is that it consists of a drum of a specified rotating inertia. The rear wheel turns the drum and the time that it takes to spin the drum up to a certain speed can indicate the amount of power and torque produced by the vehicle - with the help of a computer, of course. Whenever you see a video of a motorcycle being tested on a Dynojet, you will notice that it quickly spins up to maximum revs then back down again, before another run is tried. It does not test power being developed at a steady speed with varying loads.
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. Whenever you see a video of a motorcycle being tested on a Dynojet, you will notice that it quickly spins up to maximum revs then back down again, before another run is tried. It does not test power being developed at a steady speed with varying loads.
That is for sure, we had a dyno at a 4 wheel drive event, a few seconds at most under power. Most of them are limited probably to 95mph like my pick up so they did something else perhaps put in a dedicated gear.
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After test-riding the thing - I agree there should be a separate section for the newer Zero bikes, whether it's /F bikes, or 2020+ bikes, the SR/F is definitely a huge leap forward in technology and is in a league of it's own. I'll probably be trading my '15 SR in on an SR/F once the 'PowerTank' is available... although I'm also carefully watching Lightning to see what they end up doing.
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Yes much has changed with the display and dealer software tools, the kettle cord is gone, but is this really so different from 2013+? Same battery voltage, no CCS capability, most of the changes are in operation and appearances (as you would from FX to DS we have SR to SR/F).
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If you get a chance to test-ride it you will see the difference. It is much more powerful, it is more comfortable, it looks nicer, it corners better with the fatter tires, there are more ride-mode options, better regen, better display, etc.
But, sadly, no fast-DC charging. They claim 12 kW charging - which is pretty darn fast - but you'll have to find a 50A NEMA 14-50 240V outlet to accomplish this. If I get one of these bikes and go for a long ride I'll plan to stop at RV parks to charge, rather than car-charging stations.
Also, as mentioned - I would be downgrading on the range if I bought a 14 kWh version now. Once the PowerTank is available it will be an upgrade for me at 18 kWh (I currently have 15 kWh). If that 20% increase in battery size translates to a 20% increase in range it should get a reliable 120 miles/charge.
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If you get a chance to test-ride it you will see the difference. It is much more powerful, it is more comfortable, it looks nicer, it corners better with the fatter tires, there are more ride-mode options, better regen, better display, etc.
More comfortable? That depends on who is riding it.
I did a test ride on a SR/F. While I was very impressed with its performance of being scary fast, it was one of the most uncomfortable bikes I have ever been on. Footpegs up too high was my biggest compliant. And also a sporty lean so head must be tilted up.
But the seat was a big improvement, I think. But I wasn't in it for long enough to be sure.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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If you get a chance to test-ride it you will see the difference. ...
I have. It rode well on the street, as does any of the S/DS and to a lesser degree the FX/S. In terms of handling and suitability for Off-Road / Adventure / Street, I don't think it's (SR/F) any greater of a leap in advancement from S/DS than the S/DS are from FX/S. Each is just a refinement of suitability for its marketed purpose. The S/DS I thought was marketed wrongly and a nearly-missed opportunity to build a badass grocery getter and scooter, really. If you were looking for a street bike maybe you would be enthused enough to overlook some failings (nay, compromises) on the S/DS platform because what else was there anyway? The SR/F kind of addresses those. But is a different frame and a full color display enough to warrant its own topic? I'm "holding my breath" to see where Zero Motorcycles goes with their line of new vehicles. The new display on the 2013+ (?) was and still is a differentiation among other changes such as pack voltages. We still have the same pack voltages and to the best of my understanding the internal battery construction has not substantially changed that it would be incompatible to FX/S or S/DS. My first impulse is to say yes the SR/F is so much obviously different (and more beautiful to look at) but I'm coming from having ridden a DSR on some weird desert off-road adventures and the SR/F is far worse off for that purpose. Other than suitability I don't see the case for it being anything other than the new luxury priced pure-streetbike flavor of the 2013+ platform to carry the other flavors of diet-trailbike and commuter/grocery-getter.
Open to suggestions as always! But yeah I've ridden the thing. It would not make it down my dirt driveway with any degree of confidence, and beyond that I see only incremental improvements to the technical bits that make it go versus the mostly-complete range of model year 2014+ bikes I'm now familiar with.
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My thought is that in many ways the 2020 SR/F platform is at least as much of a change from the 2013-2019 S/DR models as was the 2013 models from the 2012 version. And of course, nothing seems the same between the 2009/10/11 platform and the later versions. Zeros keep changing and improving (as we all hope that they will) and the question is when have they changed enough to warrant a separate sub-forum so that information and discussion about those models can be more easily found? ???
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I think we’ll have a problem naming this new sub forum once it’s more than the SR/F model, which seems very likely. “FST platform†is insider lingo that no new owner will understand.
So, maybe “2020+ /F models�
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here's my 2 cts
every simple question about an SR/F will yield different results compared to a S, SR, DS, DSR, FX, FXS etc.
* Motor (mounting)
* battery case and thermal management : different (yet to be proven that it copes with back to back riding hard and charging fast but they claim that they improved it
* seat mounting : different
* fairing mounting : different
* headlight (bulb) : different (full LED now)
* Charging : way different (gone is the highly unreliable Calex / Greenwatt power charger) that should save some threads on it's own :)
* charge level limiting : different (now easily done from the app)
* aux connection : different (allas, no more aux connection :(
* Wheels/ Tires : different (much wider)
* belt (replacement) : different (wider / easier to replace)
* Dash (problems/questions) : way different
* Firmware updates : different (on the bike instead of via the app)
* cell phone charging : different
* odb connector : different (place)
* tail fling problems / tail tidy : different due to the wheel scraper (or how it's called)
* seat : different (normal / high and low seat available
* top/side rack and case questions : different
* traction control / cornering control / stability control : way different
* Mode change etc : different
* Storage compartment : different
* diginow placement not possible : different
* controller location / connection : different place / model
* Generally everything electric (wiring/connectors etc etc) : different
* brake (maintenance) : different (radial / 2 discs / different pads)
* bearings : different (sizes) throughout the bike
* handlebar controls : different (i.e cruise control / menu button / low beam switch)
And now for the simularities :
* 2 wheels and a handlebar : same :) sorry couldn't resist ;)
* turn signals : surprisingly the same and still incandescant
* charge voltage : same (but I've heard unconfirmed rumors of a different chemistry)
* Mirrors : same
* footpegs : same
For the rest i cannot think of more things that are the same.
And for those contemplating that the FX-family should have been in a seperate section as well : Yes it should have. Lots of differences between the models.(about half of my described differences between (D)S(R ) and SR/F applies to the (D)S(R ) vs FX(S) as well.
There will always be different opinions, but mine is : Seperate section for the SR/F (Family) for sure. "Zero motorcycles Forum | 2020+ /F models" sounds like a plan.
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My thought is that in many ways the 2020 SR/F platform is at least as much of a change from the 2013-2019 S/DR models as was the 2013 models from the 2012 version.
Richard said it best - I also rode a 2012 Zero ZF9 - when I test-rode a 2015 SR I was blown away by the vast improvement. So I traded my 2012 in on my '15 SR, now ready do to the same with the SR/F :-)
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I think we’ll have a problem naming this new sub forum once it’s more than the SR/F model, which seems very likely. “FST platform†is insider lingo that no new owner will understand.
So, maybe “2020+ /F models�
What are they calling the new software? Crypto-something?
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I think we’ll have a problem naming this new sub forum once it’s more than the SR/F model, which seems very likely. “FST platform†is insider lingo that no new owner will understand.
So, maybe “2020+ /F models�
What are they calling the new software? Crypto-something?
Cypher III. Which no owner is going to think of, and potential owners definitely won’t.
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> > What are they calling the new software? Crypto-something?
> Cypher III. Which no owner is going to think of, and potential owners definitely won’t.
When you think about the lack of service manual from Zero, kind of fits, haha.
Buying a Honda NM4. Service manual was $45 on the used market, and is an inch thick.
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Should there be a separate section for the SR/F?
I owned Zero gen 2. I now own a Zero gen 3 SR/F. They are so much different that yes, yes, YES a new section is warranted. JHC, why is this thread still alive and a new section not created??????
Yo Mods: C'mon man!
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Should there be a separate section for the SR/F?
I owned Zero gen 2. I now own a Zero gen 3 SR/F. They are so much different that yes, yes, YES a new section is warranted. JHC, why is this thread still alive and a new section not created??????
Yo Mods: C'mon man!
I also agree and I don't even own a SR/F. Perhaps somebody should post a poll to see how many want a separate section for the SR/F and how many do not.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Of all the make & model subforums, Zero makes up 91.6% of the posts (55143). 73.8% of posts are for Zero 2013+ (44434) and 17.8% are for Zero 2012 and earlier (10709). Within the Zero 2013+ forum, I counted that ~38% are about SR/F, meaning the SR/F already makes up over 25% of all posts on EMF. The next most popular model has 1.8%, and there are already 14 subforums with less than 1% of posts, and six with less than 100 posts.
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What I find interesting are the number of electric motorcycle brands that seem to no longer be with us. One of the better examples of dead brand forums are the list on: http://www.elmoto.net/forum.php
After reviewing those old brands, it kind of gives you the idea that many two-wheel EV founders, their employees and their few customers probably had some good ideas that died due to the lack of an EV customer market - especially during the early days of the technology. ???
The only company that seems to have really hung in there over the years is Lightning. And they have done that by not producing or selling anything (other than maybe a few LS-218 models). It is amazing what a lot of hot air can support. ::)
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...Yo Mods: C'mon man!
Yes? We might agree to rename as Gen 1 (2009-2012), Gen 2 (2013+ S/D/FX), Gen 3 (2020+ Cypher III)?
I hear and appreciate the discussion yet this is presently something I have no access to do.
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...Yo Mods: C'mon man!
Yes? We might agree to rename as Gen 1 (2009-2012), Gen 2 (2013+ S/D/FX), Gen 3 (2020+ Cypher III)?
I hear and appreciate the discussion yet this is presently something I have no access to do.
After asking around about this with some Zero insiders, I think Shadow’s suggestions are the best so far. Gen 1-3 with some years or models. S/DS/FX say for Gen 2 and SR/F etc for Gen 3.
I’d still use SR/F instead of Cypher III unless or until dealers use the term with customers. Otherwise new owners won’t understand where their questions should go.
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I agree with Shadow and Brian.
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May I suggest the break be when IPM was implemented. That’s when Zero overrode control of Sevcon
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May I suggest the break be when IPM was implemented. That’s when Zero overrode control of Sevcon
No, because IPM is invisible to most owners, especially those looking for help with their bikes. People buy these bikes off of dealer lots or secondhand, and the only reason we have a knowledge base is coordinated reverse engineering.
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Interesting that this is STILL being discussed! Who is the moderator of this forum? Is this a difficult decision?
Yay or Nay?
:)
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Moderator yes, no privs however to restructure the forum topics. Will need admin action. Question about whether you want moderator level to be able to do these kinds of things or if it is fine the way it is? Waiting for Zero Motorcycles to show if they have any other Cypher III products to release, too.
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Maybe the moderator(s) wanted to wait for the announcement of the all the 2020 models and see if there for example was an DSR/F announced, or even if the entire 2nd generation would be made obsolete. But it seems the SR/F is still the only MAJOR different model from the rest.
So I would say, move the SR/F to the 3rd generation Zero motorcycles section :)
Like I allready said earlier, just about EVERYTHING is different on the SR/F and I see lots of confusion in answers from other users to a question about an SR/F. They reply with knowledge and solutions from the 2nd generation bikes which is often totally different.
just me 0.02€ ;D
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Maybe the moderator(s) wanted to wait for the announcement of the all the 2020 models and see if there for example was an DSR/F announced, or even if the entire 2nd generation would be made obsolete. But it seems the SR/F is still the only MAJOR different model from the rest.
So I would say, move the SR/F to the 3rd generation Zero motorcycles section :)
Like I allready said earlier, just about EVERYTHING is different on the SR/F and I see lots of confusion in answers from other users to a question about an SR/F. They reply with knowledge and solutions from the 2nd generation bikes which is often totally different.
just me 0.02€ ;D
+1. I agree - for whatever that is worth. 2 cents, maybe? :)
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So the 2020 line-up does not feature a DSR/F or FX/F.
But why is there STILL no 3rd generation subforum. I see more and more confusion between models.
For example : one owner says his SR/F firmware update fails (it even says SR/F in the title) and a 2nd generation owner says that his DSR updated just fine to version 38.
2 totally different way to update. the 2nd generation does this via bluetooth and the app, while the 3rd generation owner (SR/F) does this via the built in GSM connection. So the answer from the DSR owner, with all good intentions, is of absolutely no use to the original poster of the thread :(
I still vote for a seperate subforum for the 3rd generation models ;)
Or the moderators should just plain say NO. That is still an answer.
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Or the moderators should just plain say NO. That is still an answer.
Moderator is just me, and before I asked to do it there was two admin(s) and no moderator. Changing forum and sub-forum structure may break outside links and is currently admin level privilege. We've done it recently with the change from Racing to Events. You'll notice that I've applied the same treatment to this discussion... the thread is pinned to the top, and we're getting some nice information to learn from.
Note in my experience the admins are quick to respond to all requests however I don't think it is very clear *what* you would like to happen.
Meanwhile we might tag every SR/F topic with "SR/F"; that is a way to keep the discussion free-flowing. I do have the ability to rename topics so that is something I could help you with. It is also something you can do yourself without any admin or moderator when posting and there's no rule against doing so.
> > What are they calling the new software? Crypto-something?
> Cypher III. Which no owner is going to think of, and potential owners definitely won’t.
When you think about the lack of service manual from Zero, kind of fits, haha.
Buying a Honda NM4. Service manual was $45 on the used market, and is an inch thick.
I'm okay with move/rename topics that are better off to be in another location, that's what a moderator is for. Some will figure it out and especially if you're already used to it that won't be any issue.
Where I'm personally still confused is how we ever got along so well with FX and S/DS but now SR/F is too different? I thought the 2013+ split was because of pack voltages and how the old parts are completely different than the new ones. Was it a problem that FX and S/DS shared a same sub-forum? We could split those out too and I just want to know what is the action that will make it easier (less problems)?
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Well, in this forum are models that have to go to the dealer to update the firmware.
Yes, there was also an update of the app - but that affected everyone. They updated all the apps, so the menus are all different, even on my 2014. (I had to un-pair and then run the app for it to work, btw.)
There's now three generations of chargers, too. I was at the dealer today, and at close there was me, a guy on a new SR and another guy on a new SR/F. We all charge different, we all have different uses, and we all have different motors. But what we share is greater. Battery configuration, battery management, history. They were impressed to see a five year old bike that's not been babied to still have most of its battery capacity.
We share more than we don't. All that experience with the older models is experience that new riders of SR/Fs need to have access to.
-Crissa
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No malice or offense intended to the mods or anyone.\
Long past time to create an SR/F specific thread or similar
Suspect more tree branches to follow .
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Just for reference, I'm moving forward with the Gen/Platform nomenclature for the unofficial manual as I reorganize it to support the SR/F:
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Gen1
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Gen2
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Gen3
and:
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/SDS_Platform
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/XMX_Platform
SDS and XMX are Gen2, and do share quite a lot in common, so I think it's fair to keep them together.
FWIW for Gen1, the platforms are S and X, so when it comes time to break those out, that's how to distinguish them from SDS and XMX.
SR/F is FST / Gen3, of course. I think the Gen3 definition will stand up to scrutiny better than FST, but they're synonymous for now.
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Why not a separat section for the 'SR-Family'? For now that would be SR/F and SR/S.
I think that would definitively be justified ... !
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Why not a separat section for the 'SR-Family'? For now that would be SR/F and SR/S.
SR/F is FST / Gen3, of course. I think the Gen3 definition will stand up to scrutiny better than FST, but they're synonymous for now.
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Why not a separat section for the 'SR-Family'? For now that would be SR/F and SR/S.
I think that would definitively be justified ... !
It would confuse people who've owned 2014-2020 SR motorcycles.
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Maybe call it "Zero Slash" family.
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Do you know what slash is slang for, togo?
-Crissa
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I'm still advocating "Gen3" or "FST".
Just for fun, I worked out this little idiom: If FST is just a collection of the initialisms they'll use for these models, than we have the SR/F, SR/S, and then they might decide to go with "DSR/T" (desert, har har).
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I'm still advocating "Gen3" or "FST".
Just for fun, I worked out this little idiom: If FST is just a collection of the initialisms they'll use for these models, than we have the SR/F, SR/S, and then they might decide to go with "DSR/T" (desert, har har).
Nice ;D still Gen3 though. Are the SR/S and SR/F sharing a lot of parts / tech, moreso than between Gen2 and Gen3?
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I'm still advocating "Gen3" or "FST".
Just for fun, I worked out this little idiom: If FST is just a collection of the initialisms they'll use for these models, than we have the SR/F, SR/S, and then they might decide to go with "DSR/T" (desert, har har).
Nice ;D still Gen3 though. Are the SR/S and SR/F sharing a lot of parts / tech, moreso than between Gen2 and Gen3?
Gen3 is way easier for people to think about and sort through forums, especially those who are new or outsiders.
The SRF and SRS are largely the same, moreso than S vs DS models, although the SRS frame has anchors for the fairing stays built into at least the steering head tube. This is typical for many faired motorcycle variants, like the SV-650S. I haven’t had an SRS to tear down yet, but that was the plan before the pandemic lockdown.
Right now, Gen3 is synonymous with this platform, FST, but I suspect some tech or ideas will get retrofitted to the Gen2 platforms, which will make them Gen3 the way that Gen2 tech transformed the S and X platforms that existed since 2009 or so.
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I like the idea of splitting them up by generation, it's something we're all familiar with and seems the most logical.
It may be a little too late to do this on the forum though. I feel sorry for the poor soul that would have to sift through all the topics and allocate them to their new home! It's a bit of a digital soup at the moment.
It doesn't particularly bother me that SRF stuff is mixed in with the rest of it, to be honest. In my mind the current subforum is just the place to go for the latest posts on anything Zero related. That's since I lost all interest in 2012 models a few years ago.
I guess that if Brian manages to find the time and make the effort to categorise everything by generation on the Unofficial Zero Manual site, then the same should be done here. Given the appropriate admin rights, I'd be willing to chip in and help sift through the soup and reallocate topics. It would be a nice way for me to help out. I wouldn't wish the job on anyone else though!
Thank you to everyone who helps keep this forum going. I still prefer it to the Facebook Group, even though that is more popular. Thanks also to Brian, who has done such a magnificent job of curating the Unofficial Zero Manual site too.
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After playing with my SR/S last night, I have to agree, they need a new section. Spent a half hour trying to get the old app/bluetooth to work. Totally new OS/App/feature set (cellular?!?).
Gen III family seems like a good designator. Or just say SR/F and SR/S for now, until they add more models?
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...I feel sorry for the poor soul that would have to sift through all the topics and allocate them to their new home! It's a bit of a digital soup at the moment.
...Given the appropriate admin rights, I'd be willing to chip in and help sift through the soup and reallocate topics. It would be a nice way for me to help out. I wouldn't wish the job on anyone else though!
::) Moderating is easy enough and allows for rename/move topics. It might break external links though. Admin is needed to create a sub-forum for Gen3.
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Perhaps the delineation is Cipher III based bikes?
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Yes there should be an SR section, the SR, SRF, SRS are new generation and I cant seem to find to many forums. I was looking to post how I convert seat to heated which I find I need in UK with no heat from an ICE.
BTW on the configurable dash trip A resets to zero automatically if you fully charge to 100% as a result it automatically counts your full tank range
Maybe it behaves like this as I left quadrant B as "empty" and it stuck it in there anyway. Id experiment and find out but as the manual says nothing about this and i find it so usefull ill be leaving as is in case I loose the function.
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I can't say I've ever felt the need for a heated seat. In fact I remember on my old Ducati 748 that heat down there was a real problem. I'm amazed to find someone even makes such a thing.
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You must be blessed with a hot arse :)
Cas :)
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I can't say I've ever felt the need for a heated seat. In fact I remember on my old Ducati 748 that heat down there was a real problem. I'm amazed to find someone even makes such a thing.
I ride in 5 deg C here in UK and I miss the heat from an ICE I insert car seat heater into the SRF seat, hook up $5 PWM Ebay control job done, draws 2A max and 1A nominal.
I post some pics and links