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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: DonTom on March 21, 2024, 06:39:26 AM
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I heard a rumor that Energica is now working with Tesla for the Plug & Play charging at all the V3 & V4 Tesla Superchargers.
Can anybody here confirm or deny?
If so, I will skip the latest 43 FW update and wait for the 44 or whatever they will call it.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Energica has been ready to become compatible. It's up to Elon to throw the switch on his end.
any changes to make it happen, essentially will have to happen on Elon's side of the table, and an adapter of course.
Aaron
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I think fw43 would be worth it just based on the correction it does with Magic Dock superchargers.
without fw43 Magic Dock equipped superchargers max out at like 6 or 8 kw. With fw43 they will give the full charge rate.
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I think fw43 would be worth it just based on the correction it does with Magic Dock superchargers.
without fw43 Magic Dock equipped superchargers max out at like 6 or 8 kw. With fw43 they will give the full charge rate.
Yeah, but so far, the only Magic Docks are at 100% useless locations, less than a mile or so from real CCS chargers. Such as the one in Placerville, CA, which I have used. Yeah, a slow 7 KW charge, but I really don't care if that one works at all. I see no reason to use it again.
But I hear the update fixes a lot of bugs unrelated to charging. And that alone makes it worth getting. But it will also charge better at many CCS fast chargers, including now working with a few that didn't work at all with Energica in the past.
There is not even one Magic Dock in the entire state of Nevada. I think Tesla has given up on the Magic Dock idea. Perhaps they more are headed for the Plug & Play for all makes at all V3 & V4 Superchargers. I really like that idea.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I dunno, I've never been a fan of Plug & Charge. I don't want to have to create an account and download an app just to charge my bike. I wanna rock up to a charger, tap my payment card and plug the bike in and then control the charge using an interface on the charger itself.
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Unfortunately, at least here in Florida, that seems exactly what you need to do with many of the chargers. It seems every company that puts out a charger wants you to dl THEIR app, so they can spy on you, to activate their charger so you can charge.
Plugshare seems like it's trying to consolidate a lot of the crap, so you can use just one app to operate a range of other systems, which IMO is a really good idea, but so far from what I have been able to see, it's not catching on too fast.
Aaron
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I dunno, I've never been a fan of Plug & Charge. I don't want to have to create an account and download an app just to charge my bike. I wanna rock up to a charger, tap my payment card and plug the bike in and then control the charge using an interface on the charger itself.
Tesla is unlikely to ever have RFID cards for their Superchargers, IMO.
The reason I hate the Electrify America chargers is because they usually require me to turn on my cell which I normally have turned off and takes many minutes to boot up. And then on a bright sunny day it is difficult to see what I am doing. But a few now do have working CC readers. But Many of the older EA fast chargers CC readers are still trying to use the 3G system that no longer exists.
I already have a Tesla account as I do own a Tesla. I do not even use my cell for my Tesla. I have key ring, card, the FOB, to open frunk and trunk and to run the car.
But nothing can be easier than just simply plugging into a charger and walking away. One button for a Tesla. Opens my charge door via wireless from the Supercharger right from the charge plug.
I have an RFID card for every type of CCS charger possible which I have ever used of those available and I use those cards where possible. But I like the idea of not needing anything at all and just plug in and charge and walk away.
It's not a big deal to download an app one time and then never even have to turn on the cell again once the account is set up. Mine was setup in year 2018.Never needed to look at it again and my account still works for the Plug & Play at Tesla Superchargers--for my Tesla.
One exception was when I used it on the Tesla Supercharger with Magic Dock in Placerville, CA to charge my non-Tesla" Energica Experia. Was a hassle to use, IMO.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I love being able to just plug in and walk away. I will ride 20 miles past an EA charger with a 10 rating on Plugshare to go to a 6 rated EVgo because I love Autocharge+
Knowing Elon thinks the screens and CC readers are a failure point he will probably lean into the plug and charge, Autocharge model.
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I love being able to just plug in and walk away. I will ride 20 miles past an EA charger with a 10 rating on Plugshare to go to a 6 rated EVgo because I love Autocharge+
Knowing Elon thinks the screens and CC readers are a failure point he will probably lean into the plug and charge, Autocharge model.
Elon has that correct. I have seen both issues many times with CCS chargers.
BTW, Every EV-GO I have ever used is now out of service.
EV-Go is removing all their 50 KW chargers and I think they are now all out of service. At least all the ones I have used. All have been out of service for more than a year. I hear some will be replaced with new 350KW chargers others will not be replaced at all, just removed. Whatever they are doing, they sure have been slow about it.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I only use RFID cards when out of the country, nearly all the rapid chargers in the UK just take debit/credit cards and that's the way to go.
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I only use RFID cards when out of the country, nearly all the rapid chargers in the UK just take debit/credit cards and that's the way to go.
The RFID cards have a nice advantage over the CCs. With the RFID cards, you can check the status of the charge when away from the charge station.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The plugshare app is trying to combine most of the stations from what I understand so that you can just use that app to do it all.
It sure would be nice to be able to just fire up one app, find a station, plug in and pay for it with just that one app and not have to download 20 other apps just to be able to use their service wherever it happens to be, and be able to use that one app to monitor your charge as well.
I have not used the app too many times, most of my running has been within like an 80 mile radius so I can make it there and back on one charge, or I have planned to charge at one specific place when I am about, but still. having to make an account and load up all the different chargers on the phone is a real pain. As for carrying all the RFID cards, that is an even worse pain in the ass IMO. Now you have to juggle the eq of a bunch of extr a credit cards now too. Im trying to get away from HAVING to have a 3 inch thick wallet.
Aaron
PS maybe with the tesla adapter dongle, we can just pull up to a parked tesla in the parking lot, plug in and siphon some juice out of them, like a garden hose in the old days LOL.
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I love being able to just plug in and walk away. I will ride 20 miles past an EA charger with a 10 rating on Plugshare to go to a 6 rated EVgo because I love Autocharge+
Knowing Elon thinks the screens and CC readers are a failure point he will probably lean into the plug and charge, Autocharge model.
I signed up for the Autocharge+ and have used it successfully several times since the start of the year, but last week when I used the EVgo station (at Whole Foods in SF) the Autocharge+ kept showing an error message. The CC reader would not work, either. I had to fish out my EVgo RFID card to get it to work.
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All,
I had a plug and play experience (Update 43 on Experia) at a local Supercharger. I did have the Tesla ap on my phone, and communication between the phone, charger, and Experia were fine.
Minor glitch afterwards - red warning triangle lit up on dash after starting. Shut it off and restarted and light went off. Lit up the next day, but has been off for weeks since. I think this may have happened because I plugged in before shutting off the ignition.
Get it while you can - with Musk's insanity, you never know. One good thing about the Tesla diaspora - staff will certainly be able to help other EV companies - ignoring their NDA's!
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All,
I had a plug and play experience (Update 43 on Experia) at a local Supercharger. I did have the Tesla ap on my phone, and communication between the phone, charger, and Experia were fine.
Minor glitch afterwards - red warning triangle lit up on dash after starting. Shut it off and restarted and light went off. Lit up the next day, but has been off for weeks since. I think this may have happened because I plugged in before shutting off the ignition.
Get it while you can - with Musk's insanity, you never know. One good thing about the Tesla diaspora - staff will certainly be able to help other EV companies - ignoring their NDA's!
What Tesla SC location was that? Are you using a Magic Dock Supercharger? Or did you manage to get it to work with a Tesla to CCS adapter (which I don't think is possible with the 43 FW) on a non-Magic Dock?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Commodire, I had that red triangle thing too after a charge. I think it's a software bug, as it seems to just come in occasionally, but clear after a power cycle. From what I have seen, it will generally clear itself but worse case, you get the Energica EQ of the check engine light, if the problem was just a glitch it will clear itself in 5 power on / off's .
Aaron
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All,
I had a plug and play experience (Update 43 on Experia) at a local Supercharger. I did have the Tesla ap on my phone, and communication between the phone, charger, and Experia were fine.
Minor glitch afterwards - red warning triangle lit up on dash after starting. Shut it off and restarted and light went off. Lit up the next day, but has been off for weeks since. I think this may have happened because I plugged in before shutting off the ignition.
Get it while you can - with Musk's insanity, you never know. One good thing about the Tesla diaspora - staff will certainly be able to help other EV companies - ignoring their NDA's!
I opened the photo to larger and I could see the Magic Dock adapter. Is that the Scotts Valley location?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Thanks, Aaron, and no, Don, this is upstate NY. I don't own a Tesla, so set up my account for other vehicles, 2024 Experia. So when I pulled up to the Supercharger and pressed the button for the CCS connector, the dock released it without a problem. This site does not show up as a MagicDock, just a Supercharger.
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Ahh did a little research - the Magic Dock is just the plug that can charge Tesla or other vehicles. Plugshare does not seem to differentiate them.
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Or did you manage to get it to work with a Tesla to CCS adapter (which I don't think is possible with the 43 FW) on a non-Magic Dock?
Man you *really* just don't want to believe me when I tell you that cannot happen until Tesla opens up their network.
Ahh did a little research - the Magic Dock is just the plug that can charge Tesla or other vehicles. Plugshare does not seem to differentiate them.
It does. https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations
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Man you *really* just don't want to believe me when I tell you that cannot happen until Tesla opens up their network.
I really don't want to believe anybody about such bad news. But thanks for the bad news anyway, as you were to first to explain to me that it wouldn't work. Notice in the above message I did say "I didn't think it was possible." Besides, as you know, I already have a couple of Tesla SC to CCS adapters and I tried the Tesla V4 SC in Sparks, NV and it didn't work.
And I hear there are two reasons, Tesla has to has to open theirs up (the V3 & V4 that does NOT have Magic Dock) and the vehicle itself will need an update. Perhaps that will be Energica's V 44, someday.
Magic Dock obviously does it much differently, it's more than just an adapter that fits. Now I have a question for you . . .
If I use a Tesla Supercharger that provides Magic Dock, but I use my own adapter instead, will it work? I assume NOT, unless there is a way to remove their adapter and use mine. IOW, "charge your non-Tesla" does a lot more than only provide an adapter.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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And I hear there are two reasons, Tesla has to has to open theirs up (the V3 & V4 that does NOT have Magic Dock) and the vehicle itself will need an update. Perhaps that will be Energica's V 44, someday.
I don't think the vehicle will need an update but I can't confirm. Rumor has it Stefano and crew have been seen meeting at top secret R&D charging labs to ensure full compatibility.
If I use a Tesla Supercharger that provides Magic Dock, but I use my own adapter instead, will it work? I assume NOT, unless there is a way to remove their adapter and use mine. IOW, "charge your non-Tesla" does a lot more than only provide an adapter.
Actually that *does* work. Daren tested it at a SoCal Magic Dock station. Used the A2Z adapter and it worked perfectly.
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I don't think the vehicle will need an update but I can't confirm.
Fords needed an update. I know that as a fact as many tried to charge on the first couple of days that Tesla said they were open, and they wouldn't charge. Then they discovered the update was needed. I think it was done OTA, but that I am not sure about.
I assume from that, it was the same with Rivian.
Rumor has it Stefano and crew have been seen meeting at top secret R&D charging labs to ensure full compatibility.
Let's hope that is true, but then we will (most likely, IMO) need that FW version 44.
Actually that *does* work. Daren tested it at a SoCal Magic Dock station. Used the A2Z adapter and it worked perfectly.
Interesting. I wonder what the difference is between those V3s and other Tesla V3 superchargers.
-Don- Auburn, CA