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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: DerKrawallkeks on April 28, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
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Hey,
I want to show you what I did in order to store 2 TCCargers on my Zero S without carrying any boxes or anything.
Now I am able to put them in whenever I need them. There's even space for all the cables, including the large Type2 Menneckes and everything.
I noticed that the tank is mostly empty, and the existing storage bag is just a small part of the free space.
Therefore, I cut out the plastic pan of the tank, creating a massive storage space. I made a new open box, which is open on top, out of some acryllic glass with a hairdryer/heat gun.
The two little visible cutouts were unfortunately neccessary to get the TCChargers in and out. If you just want the large storage space, you can do it without making those 2 little cutouts of course. I can only recommend this, I have no idea why they didn't do this from the factory. The original bag still fits in and looks just like before.
I still want a lid/cover for when I'm carrying my chargers, we'll see:)
Dual Lock 3M is used to fix the chargers so they don't slide around.
(https://i.ibb.co/167sXwc/DSC-0631.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/hDj3b4c/DSC-0630.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/fxNDsgk/DSC-0641.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/tqBj5vw/DSC-0634.jpg)
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Feel free to ask questions!:)
DerKrawallkeks
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That box that you built looks to be about the size of my Power Tank. ;)
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This is great! It looks like 3 of these TC HK-J chargers might fit stacked on top of each other in the space where my 2.5 kW charge tank currently sits?
Maybe I could even add a second J-port and a Tesla destination port next to the current J1772 at the top of the existing charge tank plastics. If this is feasible, I’d like to tie 2 x TC chargers to the existing factory J-port, 1 x TC and the Calex on-board charger to the additional J-port, and all 4 chargers to the Tesla port.
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I have seen someone trying to put 3 TC HKJ chargers there, but from my experience now, I think it's going to be very hard to do. Even cooling ist a bit issue, already with my setup. I use two pretty special high power fans, not normal PC fans. I don't even use the chargers while in the bike, I take them out.
But fitting 2 is no problem:)
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Extending the tank storage is already a nice idea i think.
Is there a lot of space there?
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This is similar to how Brandon used to make the diginow v2 superchargers before we switched to the pans. Take out one of the sets of fins and then mount high powered fans on one end; run those to the 12v lines on the charger units. From there we used the same system to lock it in place as the Power Tank: a right-angled piece of aluminum with holes on each end bolted to 2 j-hooks that lock into the frame. Zero already drills holes in place because that's how they secure the Power Tank.
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Looks like a 13 so no Power tank option.
Nice solution. Hollywood Electrics had carbon fiber tank lids but it looks like they sold out.
https://hollywoodelectrics.com/collections/hollywood-electrics-performance-products/products/carbon-fiber-tank-cover?variant=43127331395
Maybe fashion one out of kydex?
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Hey victor, yes there's lots of space, definitely worth it!:)
@MVetter good, I think that's who I saw for 3 there. I put the two chargers facing each other with the cooling radiators, and 2 high power fans. Must be very high power though. I use fans from RC cars.
New2Elec, thanks so much for the link! I think I'll contact them and ask if they can make me one:) it looks exactly like what I want.
Otherwise I'll make one with some thermoplastic or carbon fibre
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I have seen someone trying to put 3 TC HKJ chargers there, but from my experience now, I think it's going to be very hard to do. Even cooling ist a bit issue, already with my setup. I use two pretty special high power fans, not normal PC fans. I don't even use the chargers while in the bike, I take them out.
But fitting 2 is no problem:)
How long does it take to remove the storage tank and take out the chargers? Do you have to bring tools with you, or did you add some kind of quick release mechanism?
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@flynnstig82r
Hey,
it takes about 10 seconds to take the chargers out or put them in. They're fixed with velcro (3M Dual Lock).
What exactly do you mean by remove the storage tank?
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I had the same idea long ago.
https://youtu.be/hTEpQqRUfX0
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My plan, such as it is, is to make some compartments reachable from the front wings to hold the toolkit, maybe first aid kit, and definitely the j1772, which would free up the tank zipper space without giving too much water ingress.
-Crissa
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@flynnstig82r
Hey,
it takes about 10 seconds to take the chargers out or put them in. They're fixed with velcro (3M Dual Lock).
What exactly do you mean by remove the storage tank?
Maybe I misunderstood the pics, but it looked like the chargers were below the storage tank, so you would have to remove it first to access them?
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Hey Gains,
this is very cool! Exactly what I did, just much cleaner!
The difference is that you have a properly sealed box again, with less space, while I have a open box with potential to loose stuff, but a lot more room for things like cables.
@flynnstig82r Ah yes. The chargers only fit with the original storage bag removed. So I have to choose what I want to carry, storage zipper bag or my chargers.
@Crissa that should be possible, maybe insert some plastic tubes from the front as storage space in the wings. They're hollow, as you probably know. Although not too much space in there;)
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I had the same idea long ago.
(snip YouTube link)
Can you fit a full-face helmet in there or is the opening still too small?
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You're not going to be able to fit a helmet in there. It's too shallow as well as too narrow. But there's a helmet lock right in front there, so it sits flat atop the tank. I use a loop, but you could use the d-ring.
-Crissa
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The idea of getting all that space is really interesting!
I was wondering if the material you used is near the top of the battery, and if it could get hot
@Gains: The glove box you created is really cool. I'd like to know what material you used and how did you make it so accurate
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You're not going to be able to fit a helmet in there. It's too shallow as well as too narrow. But there's a helmet lock right in front there, so it sits flat atop the tank. I use a loop, but you could use the d-ring.
-Crissa
Even with the larger tub that @Gains made? The reason I ask is that I'm toying with the idea of getting fast chargers and having the 2.5 kW charge tank removed, which would open up that space. If I copy his method for a larger tub and then also cut a large opening into the CT plastics, maybe a helmet would fit?
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Even with the larger tub that @Gains made?
The bike's frame takes up space under there, so the contiguous space isn't large enough. The reason the bucket is shaped such is so it fits through the frame.
That the bottom is slightly lower and wider in Gains' modification doesn't change where the bike's frame is higher up. The charger modules are individually smaller than a helmet, and so can fit in the spaces and not intersect the frame.
-Crissa
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The bike's frame takes up space under there, so the continuous space isn't large enough. The reason the bucket is shaped such is so it fits through the frame.
That the bottom is slightly lower and wider in Gains' modification doesn't change where the bike's frame is higher up. The charger modules are individually smaller than a helmet, and so can fit in the spaces and not intersect the frame.
-Crissa
OK gotcha, thanks for clarifying!
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Loop for helmet lock is best. D Rings are okay just to keep the helmet from falling to the ground if bike is in sight.
A bad guy could clip the D Rings and walk off with your helmet, replacing your D Rings with something of their own.
Better than nothing, but, best to not tempt people with a shiny possible " Prize ".
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Unless a helmet is a smart helmet, the repair is going to cost as much and getting a used one. Why would anyone do that for a sweaty thing?
-Crissa
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@rogerpiano the battery stays cool:)
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I noticed that the battery, in the part in contact with the legs (therefore on the outside), barely warms up even in winter when you overdo it with the guide, so it may be that in the summer a part not exposed to the air may heat up more.
Since the material of the box is thermoplastic, I wondered if, even if it does not reach high temperatures, in the long run it could cause a deformation of the material combined with the weight of the objects that we would put inside
But maybe it is a false problem
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Good thought:) the app also shows that the battery heats up indeed, but not enough, maybe to 40 or 50°C max. Should be alright, the acrylic can take maybe 100°C before deforming:)
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@ rogerpiano
My "big tank" is made of glassfiber. It is a slightly modified part of the tank I made for my first zero full fairing in 2016. Back then I had a 2013S with a " handbagg" in the tank. So I made a new tank with 17L capacity and a hard cover (zero didn t have that yet). Now I can put them in original tanks.