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Title: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: Marty on April 13, 2021, 09:16:49 PM
Good day,

Any body had issues with the turn signals on Zero DSR 2018 (or other zero for that matters). When actionned, the turn signal simply light up solid orange and is not blinking, neither front or back and simply stays on until i turn it off.

Any idea on how to fix this?

Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: TEV on April 14, 2021, 02:16:06 AM
I would try replacing the turn signal relay.
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: Richard230 on April 14, 2021, 03:48:10 AM
Before replacing the signal relay try looking for a burned out bulb. A bad bulb can cause the signals not to blink when your switch is activated.
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: Marty on April 14, 2021, 05:55:18 AM
Hi,

Thanks for the info. As a matter of fact, there are no burnt out bulbs on the bike however, for some reasons that I can’t explain, i went for a short bike ride earlier and the signals worked fine, for about half hour!

It seems they randomly decide to act weird. I did replace the original rear turn signal and brake light with Weiser Technik Extreme LED signal, dont know if this could be the issue? Or the fact that I have added USB port to the back to charge the phone although signals were acting weird before the install!

Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: Crissa on April 14, 2021, 08:07:03 AM
Having third party parts might affect it.  It shouldn't, but it might.

Not sure how to prove it aside from running a signal-recording device to see what signals the bike is giving to the lights.  What a pain.

-Crissa
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: DonTom on April 14, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Good day,

Any body had issues with the turn signals on Zero DSR 2018 (or other zero for that matters). When actionned, the turn signal simply light up solid orange and is not blinking, neither front or back and simply stays on until i turn it off.

Any idea on how to fix this?
I would check to make sure your voltage is above 13 on your lights. IIRC, mine are 13.8 VDC.

I would expect one of three things:

1. bad connection.
2. low voltage.
3. flaky blinker.

-Don-  Reno, NV
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: ESokoloff on April 17, 2021, 10:27:13 PM
Having third party parts might affect it.  ........
^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

LED’s draw upwards of only1/7 the current to that of incandescent/stock bulbs so I would start by changing out your OEM (Electro-Mechanical) turn signal relay with a solid state/electronic  type.
The OEM needs a certain amount of current draw to activate the blinking feature.

Unfortunately Zero used a non conformity pin orientation on the three pin plug. 

I’ve changed all my stock lights to Led & ended up getting an industry standard electronic relay & reconfigured the pins on the Zero plug (swapped the two mismatched).

Was too long ago to remember which two.........
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: alby62 on October 14, 2023, 08:20:06 PM
anch'io da  qualche  giorno , non mi funzionano gl' indicatori di  direzione  il fusibile  è ok , in quanto clacson e luce freno posteriore funzionano,  quando  clicco a  sinistra  o destra  il relè  si  sente clak che attacca ma poi non fa  l intermittenza , tutte  le  lampadine  sono  ok ma non si accende nulla ,  ho l appuntamento con l ' assistenza il  10 novembre  ma  se c'è solo da  sostituire il relè lo farei  da  solo .  ma  al relè arrivano fili diversi  da  quelli che arrivano alle  lampadine . non esiste uno schema  elettrico.
 abbiamo un manuale  di 200 pagine   senza  schema  elettrico.
 ringrazio  già per eventuali suggerimenti.  saluti  al tutti
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: ESokoloff on October 14, 2023, 10:02:24 PM
anch'io da  qualche  giorno , non mi funzionano gl' indicatori di  direzione  il fusibile  è ok , in quanto clacson e luce freno posteriore funzionano,  quando  clicco a  sinistra  o destra  il relè  si  sente clak che attacca ma poi non fa  l intermittenza , tutte  le  lampadine  sono  ok ma non si accende nulla ,  ho l appuntamento con l ' assistenza il  10 novembre  ma  se c'è solo da  sostituire il relè lo farei  da  solo .  ma  al relè arrivano fili diversi  da  quelli che arrivano alle  lampadine . non esiste uno schema  elettrico.
 abbiamo un manuale  di 200 pagine   senza  schema  elettrico.
 ringrazio  già per eventuali suggerimenti.  saluti  al tutti

Translation:
I too have not been working for a few days, the direction indicators do not work, the fuse is ok, as the horn and rear brake light work, when I click on the left or right the relay is heard clak that attacks but then does not intermittence, all the bulbs are ok but nothing turns on, I have the appointment with the assistance on November 10 but if there is only to replace the relay I would do it myself. but to the relay come wires different from those that arrive at the bulbs. there is no electrical diagram.

We have a 200-page manual without a schematic.

Thank you already for any suggestions. greetings to all
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: ESokoloff on October 14, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Per my Zero notes (2016 DSR)
“ 3-24-18 Installed Electronic Signal Flasher (had to swap +- on plug)”

Per my Amazon purchase records I purchased this relay

Dewhel 1 pc CF-13 CF13 EP34 3 Pin Electronic Flasher Fix 12V 0.02A-20A For LED Turn Signal Light Bulbs Hyper Blink Flash No Flash https://a.co/d/b5K3bHW

So what I did so solve my Inop signal flasher after converting the bulbs from incandescent  to LED was to swap the male
 electrical connectors (+-)  on the bikes plug to accommodate this relay.

Note that there are relays with the correct +- orientation but I figured I would be better off making this simple swap so the “normal” relay would fit.
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: alby62 on October 15, 2023, 01:59:02 PM
grazie ESokoloff,   provero' a montare  questo relè, cumunque io non ho sostituito le lampadine  ho ancora quelle  di dotazione . best  regards  alberto
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: DonTom on October 15, 2023, 03:32:06 PM
grazie ESokoloff,   provero' a montare  questo relè, cumunque io non ho sostituito le lampadine  ho ancora quelle  di dotazione . best  regards  alberto
Tranlates to:


“Thank you ESokoloff, I will try to install this relay, however I have not replaced the bulbs, I still have the ones that came with it. Best regards, Alberto.”"
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: ESokoloff on October 17, 2023, 08:28:17 AM
Thx Don.

Alberto, look here for more information including relay location. 

https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=4604.0
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: alby62 on October 20, 2023, 08:00:32 PM
Buongiorno a  tutti  ringrazio per le  info , ho risolto, con un  normale lampeggiatore per  auto  12 v 2*10 W, da 15€ , comprato in negozio  ricambi da bravo  boomer  8) ;D lampeggia un poco più veloce di prima ma  tutto funziona  egregiamente .
Title: Re: DSR 2018 - turn signals issue
Post by: ESokoloff on October 21, 2023, 04:55:30 AM
Translation:

“ Good morning everyone, thank you for the info, I solved it, with a normal car flasher 12 v 2*10 W, from 15€, bought in the spare parts store by a good boomer flashes a little faster than before but everything works very well.”

Awesome/good job!!
Maybe find an electronic type of flasher to insure a normal flash rate.