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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Richard230 on June 27, 2020, 04:16:04 AM
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My newspaper today said that California regulators have passed a rule requiring that certain percentages of all truck sales in the state must be fully electric, or otherwise zero emission, including pickup trucks, delivery trucks and tractor-trailer trucks. The rules, which take effect in 2024 will require at least 40% of all tractor-trailer trucks sold in California to be zero emission vehicles by 2035, 55% of pickup trucks and 75% of delivery trucks by that year.
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Yeah, with the new EV truck companies releasing their trucks by then, it makes sense to start pushing it.
Hopefully adoption will be much quicker than for EV cars so far.
-Crissa
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Vehicle fleets are run by the numbers (accountancy), so this mass movement should make more sense than trying to market EVs to consumers. The only question is making sure that small businesses can comply.
Electric motorcycling has always been at a weird tail-end of marketing, where performance aficionados run companies that manufacture boutique vehicles that don't pencil out as green investments unless the buyer is trying to take care of the vehicle properly.
Basically, everyone wants a cheaper electric motorbike, but those just end up tending towards the landfill, whereas a fleet truck is expected to justify its expenditure and existence and form factor.
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My newspaper today said that California regulators have passed a rule requiring that certain percentages of all truck sales in the state must be fully electric, or otherwise zero emission, including pickup trucks, delivery trucks and tractor-trailer trucks. The rules, which take effect in 2024 will require at least 40% of all tractor-trailer trucks sold in California to be zero emission vehicles by 2035, 55% of pickup trucks and 75% of delivery trucks by that year.
Hopefully, that puts a few more charge stations away from the major towns instead of having them all grouped together in the major cities.
Even I-80 can use quite a few to the east of here. There are more CCS chargers now on Hwy 50 than I-80 east of here.
But if those trucks are only sold in CA, I am not sure if it will help much east of Reno.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I'll believe it when I see it. They said something similar 40 years ago
https://ideas.repec.org/p/cdl/itsdav/qt9030893m.html
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There are few ccs chargers in the major cities, though. There are some out in the subs, but that's not what I need to commute into a city for an event.
-Crissa
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There are few ccs chargers in the major cities, though. There are some out in the subs, but that's not what I need to commute into a city for an event.-Crissa
CCS is very common, it's in three different locations here in Reno.
It's also in Sparks, Carson City, Garnerville, Fernley, Fallon, four locations around Lake Tahoe (and well spread out for a change!). Nine locations (if Cisco Grove counts, but it's probably not yet not yet on-line) between here in Auburn. Countless more to the west of Auburn. In many areas (such as I-80 in the Sierra's) CCS is a lot more common than J-1772.
There is also two CCS locations in Watsonville and two in Los Gatos.
There are two CCS charger locations there in Santa Cruz and by looking at Plug Share, I could ride my Energica from Reno to Santa Cruz! But I would have to take Hwy 99, I won't have the range for I-5.
It also looks like if there is any single location down, I will have another CCS charger to use well within the range of my non-Plus Energica. I would not have to use a J1772 anywhere from here to there.
So where did you want to go, where an Energica would not make it with 15 minute charges once per hour?
-Don- Reno, NV
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Thanks Don, I'm so glad it's it's three locations in Reno.
There's only the one gas station, right?
In San Francisco there are how many CCS points for how many people? (And how many are closed right now?)
CCS can get you from city to city, but no, it is not everywhere or really centered in major cities.
-Crissa
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Thanks Don, I'm so glad it's it's three locations in Reno.
There's only the one gas station, right?
There's actually five CCS locations in Reno, if we count just over the boarder in Sparks. I just let Plugshare refresh my memory. So I have no idea what you're asking there about a gas station. There's one CCS charger at the Harley shop, one at the Target store, one at two different Save Marts, & one at car dealer, which is now closed because of the CV-19 bug.
I have yet to see another vehicle charge at CCS while I was charging ANYWHERE. That's because it usually doesn't take all that long to charge. CCS is not like J-1772 where people are there for hours. Many locations have several CCS chargers, but in Reno and CC there is only one per location, but that seems to be enough. CCS can get you from city to city, but no, it is not everywhere or really centered in major cities.
It is in every sizable city I have been to in CA, but I cannot speak for San Francisco as I never tried to charge anything there ever. But Plugshare shows at least a dozen locations with CCS in SF, with four more "coming soon". SF is quite small and that seems like a lot of CCS well spread out around the city.
But I find the problem in CA to be small towns such as Portola or Quincy, even SusanVille has no CCS. In CA we are stuck near the major routes. At least that works well for me to get to Auburn, and most places I wish to go to from there. Even when I take Hwy 20, it has CCS near each end.
NV on I-80 east really has a lack of CCS. No CCS between Fernley / Fallon and Winnemucca which means I cannot get past Fallon. I can go farther east on Hwy 50 these days than I can on I-80.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Plugshare lists locations which are closed or broken or only have one, Don. Don't you read the check-ins?
-Crissa
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Would these regulators fall into the unelected beaurocrat classification?
Were the regulators tasked with doing this in some approved legislation?
After this Covid 19 it seems pretty obvious most any rule can be suspended. Notably the plastic bag ban and customer encouraged to bring reusable bag. Now no re usable bag allowed. Like we all knew the re usable bag were a good way to bring cockroaches into stores. Never thought about virus.
Does this effect public transportation that uses diesel?
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Would these regulators fall into the unelected beaurocrat classification?
Were the regulators tasked with doing this in some approved legislation?
After this Covid 19 it seems pretty obvious most any rule can be suspended. Notably the plastic bag ban and customer encouraged to bring reusable bag. Now no re usable bag allowed. Like we all knew the re usable bag were a good way to bring cockroaches into stores. Never thought about virus.
Does this effect public transportation that uses diesel?
The California regulators just changed their minds. It is now OK to bring a reusable bag into a store when you go shopping. ::)
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The regulators never said it wasn't okay, just that stores could opt for single-use.
But there's no reason a personal shopping bag would be more of a vector than a person's clothes.
I never stopped using them - our stores just said not to touch any of their surfaces except the bagging shelf or carts with them. Safeway was the only one locally to straight up ban them.
-Crissa
PS, Regulators are just educated people that our elected officials hire to check out specifics. No different than staff, just more specialized. There's nothing 'unelected' in them: We can replace regulators by electing different legislators. There's a process to replacing them... Or you could just be like Trump and ignore those processes for personal benefit.
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Plugshare lists locations which are closed or broken or only have one, Don. Don't you read the check-ins?
-Crissa
Usually only if I plan to use it on a trip. And BTW, I have used several where others listed as broken. Often, one way to activate will work when other ways will not.
Here is a good example:
In Truckee, a woman tried to charge her car at a J-1772 (GreenLots charge station) in a busy area of the tourist trap section where they charge to charge for J-1772. Next to the Truckee Train station. She couldn't get it to work. She even called the number on the machine and not even Greenlots could activate it. She finally gave up and left.
I then used that same charge station with my Zero SR. One way that did work was to activate it from their website, even through the help number could not active it directly. My GreenLots card would NOT work there, neither would a credit card, nor the phone-in (but only she called in, I never call in). The Greenlots website turned it on with no issue at all and I got my full 6.4 KW charge for my Zero SR.
BTW, I have discovered the websites are the most reliable way to turn charge stations on. Especially with some Electrify America CCS chargers.
It's important to have an internet connection when wanting to charge electric vehicles from many places.
I just now checked Reno on Plugshare and every CCS charger now only has positive recent check-ins. So where are these negative check-ins that you're talking about?
-Don- Reno, NV
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Yes, I see that it's totally convenient and there's enough CCS in the big city that I have to read the description of all the stations, their hours, and check-ins to find out that in a city of a half million there are only about twelve individual stalls across the city that I could use... If I arrive on the right day and time.
You've totally convinced me reading the descriptions is what I need to do. Not.
-Crissa
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Make a mental note of how many different kinds of trucks you see every week. Garbage, delivery, industrial, construction, that one that sucks leaves off the side of the road during Autumn, etc. Some of those companies haven't even thought about electric yet. This will be interesting.
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Another example of regulation driving innovation ^-^
-Crissa
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Garbage trucks are a huge win. They spend most of their lives at stop and go, and the neighbors will love electric actuators instead of the noisy ones in use.
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Garbage trucks are a huge win. They spend most of their lives at stop and go, and the neighbors will love electric actuators instead of the noisy ones in use.
Stop and go traffic...totally agree! Now we just need some company to make them. I have no idea who makes these kind of industrial trucks now, but I fear they aren't some technological powerhouse.
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I don't know about garbage trucks, but local delivery and USPS trucks would be perfect uses for electric power. (Although there is no chance the USPS could afford to replace their old jeeps with new EVs, unfortunately.)
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Garbage trucks are a huge win. They spend most of their lives at stop and go, and the neighbors will love electric actuators instead of the noisy ones in use.
Stop and go traffic...totally agree! Now we just need some company to make them. I have no idea who makes these kind of industrial trucks now, but I fear they aren't some technological powerhouse.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/36566/electric-garbage-trucks-are-finally-coming-in-2021-with-the-battery-powered-mack-lr