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Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:04:53 AM »

I'm looking into replacing my incandescent bulbs to LED's so need info in order to procure the proper LED compliant relay. 
It appears that that the relay is under the faux tank.
I didn't feel like tearing it all apart to get the info so I'm hoping someone knows the spec's.

I found two different units on superbrightleds.com

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/cf13gl-02-led-bulb-electronic-flasher/782/836/

And

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/fl3-red-led-bulb-electronic-flasher/780/834/



Bonus points for led replacement recommendations.

Anyone try these?
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/7507-py21w-led-bulb-18-smd-led-tower-bau15s-retrofit-car/527/1703/


Thx


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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 06:47:01 AM »

I'm looking into replacing my incandescent bulbs to LED's so need info in order to procure the proper LED compliant relay. 
It appears that that the relay is under the faux tank.
I didn't feel like tearing it all apart to get the info so I'm hoping someone knows the spec's.

I found two different units on superbrightleds.com

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/cf13gl-02-led-bulb-electronic-flasher/782/836/

And

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/fl3-red-led-bulb-electronic-flasher/780/834/



Bonus points for led replacement recommendations.

Anyone try these?
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/7507-py21w-led-bulb-18-smd-led-tower-bau15s-retrofit-car/527/1703/


Thx
My local O'Reily auto parts has a whole variety of led flashers, cheap. When you're ready to swap it, just bring the stock one to O'Reily or Pep Boys or Canadian Tire or what have you and match it up.

For led advice, first check the Unofficial Manual. A big white tower should work well in the tail light (1157?) [Edit: I understand some or all Zeros come with an LED taillight. Mine looks like an aftermarket 1157 plug in.] Be careful with the turn signals because they are not standard 1156s in all the Zeros. Check the side pins, and notice the height - regular size 1156 glass is too tall. Or you could use those really nice (but not so cheap) ones from Weiser. I have some like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-2x-6V-1156-ba15s-12-SMD-LED-Amber-Car-Bulb-Light-Brake-Turn-Tail-Reverse-Lamp-/192378692699?hash=item2ccaa9e45b
Not bad, very cheap.

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« Last Edit: January 21, 2018, 07:43:24 AM by clay.leihy »
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 12:38:10 AM »

Thanks Clay,
I hadn't considered sourcing the relay local.


I'm putting togeather an order from superbrightleds.com & wanted to include a flasher with that order but rather then tearing the bike down twice (daily commuter) I will pick one up locally if I don't get a response from this posting. 

The bulbs on the 16 DSR are 5009's and I've had good luck with superbrightleds.com so will stick with their offerings unless I get a better suggestion.

The taillight is OEM LED.
I want to change the turn bulbs to LED not to conserve power but primarily to eliminate the incandescent lag as I will be adding aux LED's & want symmetry/consistency.
Plus I'm HOPEing for greater lumens. 
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 09:25:27 AM »

Reference: https://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Turn_Signal_Flasher

Prior to my posting for help, I actually managed to find this but when I googled the mentioned relay I struck out.


Replacements with wiring guide: https://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Turn_Signals

This I did not find (as I was researching signal relays, not bulbs).
It contained the info I needed, thank you.
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 10:44:36 AM »

https://www.weisertechnik.com/ultrabrights-for-zero/

Yes I’ve seen these but at $150 +- a set I’m looking for alternatives.
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 06:37:49 PM »

I've had the relay changed when they installed my charge tank, don't remember what type it is but it's a standard three connector thingy. Ordered one from aliexpress even, come to think of it...
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2018, 07:11:10 PM »



Try the local auto parts store (Pep Boys,  O'Reilly, AutoZone, etc). Look for an LED flasher (not a relay, though it looks like one). My O'Reily had a whole variety, different pin configurations and different loads.

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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2018, 10:49:44 PM »

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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2018, 08:43:59 AM »

I'm looking into replacing my incandescent bulbs to LED's so need info in order to procure the proper LED compliant relay. 
It appears that that the relay is under the faux tank.
I didn't feel like tearing it all apart to get the info so I'm hoping someone knows the spec's.

I found two different units on superbrightleds.com

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/cf13gl-02-led-bulb-electronic-flasher/782/836/

And

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/fl3-red-led-bulb-electronic-flasher/780/834/



Bonus points for led replacement recommendations.

Anyone try these?
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/7507-py21w-led-bulb-18-smd-led-tower-bau15s-retrofit-car/527/1703/


Thx

Here's a fallow up....

I ended up getting a electronic relay via Amazon & swapped the two pins opposite of each other on the bike plug  (+ & -???) so this "conventional" relay will work on a Zero. 

See the post below on details on what I did for LED's........

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7857.0

PS, long week for me & the spelling mistakes prove it.
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2018, 09:04:48 AM »

That matches the experience I've had and recorded on zeromanual.com, thanks. I'll add a reference to your story soon.
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2018, 05:54:02 AM »

The thing you need to be careful of when changing to a LED turn signal bulb is the length.  The depth of the turn signal housing is very shallow so a typical LED bulb won't work.  The ones from ebay in the link in reply #1 look like they would work, but is 6V the correct voltage?

Eastern Beaver is another good source for electronic parts.  Very good quality products from Japan.
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2018, 12:28:10 PM »

The thing you need to be careful of when changing to a LED turn signal bulb is the length.  The depth of the turn signal housing is very shallow so a typical LED bulb wont work.
 .............

I ended up using these https://www.amazon.com/LASFIT-12-24V-Extremely-Non-Polarity-Blinker/dp/B077T8G9PG/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1522326368&sr=1-1&keywords=Lasfit+1157A
I had to heavily modify them tho (in NO WAY plug n play).
I unsoldered the two pins on the bottom (run/signal input) then separated the brass base/can from the aluminum " bulb".
These have a LED driver inside the brass base/can which I remounted to the underside of the reflector (after extending the wires & incapsulating in heat shrink. CATION:It's a tight fit).
I had to grind down the O.D. of the aluminum bulb at its base so it would fit into the socket of the reflector.
When compleated, the top of the bulb doesn't stand any taller then the original glass one and the top is semi pointy (tapered) like the original (& Un-like the flat/wide top of a conventional LED tower).
These are 1157 type so they are dual output.
The output lum's appear to be as bright (if not slightly brighter) as the stock bulb so I'm happy with them. 
I tapped into the supplementary running headlight running light circuit & ran an additional wire to each of the front turn signal pods to power the low lum input (run light) of the bulbs.
NOTE: I only put these in the front as Amber running lights are not legal in the rear.
I could use a red version but Amber is the safest color to use for turn indicators.

In the future, I may install these to the rear http://www.hightechspeed.com/products/xarc/index.html in duel color so I can have red low lum for running, hi lum for stop, & Amber for turn indication.
(Presumably the Amber will dominate the other modes thus give a clear turn indication).
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Re: Turn Signal Relay for LED's 2016 DSR
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2018, 02:28:40 AM »

Well I've done a lot of searching over the last couple of days and due to the very shallow turn signal housing and somewhat non-standard 150 degree pin offset (thanks Zero) there are very few options for a plug and play LED replacement bulb.  Yes the LED turn signal board from Weisner will work, but no way I'm shelling out $170 to convert my turn signals to LED.

I found some shallow LED bulbs with a 180 degree pin base that could be modified to fit, but the lumen output and quality are not very good.

If anyone out there has found a good alternative, please share.

« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 02:33:19 AM by BamBam »
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