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Rogercoulter

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Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« on: January 12, 2018, 06:45:04 AM »

Wednesday Jan 17th, the Washington State Senate will consider a bill to reduce the electric vehicle fee for motorcycles.  There's currently no distinction between motorcycles and cars so the per-mile cost is roughly 8 times higher for electric motorcycles than conventional motorcycles and 4 times higher (per mile) than for cars.  This fee, intended to make electric cars pay a comparable tax to support roads and bridges that gas vehicles pay through the fuel tax, has the unanticipated consequence of punishing electric motorcycles - treating them like gas guzzling SUVs. The new law would fix that by reducing electric vehicle fees for motorcycles from $250 to $30.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=6107&Year=2017

Anyone near Olympia Washington might want to come testify in support.  Wednesday, January 17th, at 3:30 p.m. in SHR 1 In J.A. Cherberg Building.

The rest of you. Please wish us luck.

Roger
 
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2018, 07:35:59 AM »

California is doing the same thing by charging all electric vehicles, including electric motorcycles, an extra $100 each year, over and above the normal license registration fees for the vehicle, to fund road and other random transportation improvements starting next year. However, there appears to be no interest in giving electric motorcycles a break in this state.  I don't think the California state legislature ever backs off on a tax once it is in place.  >:(
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2018, 03:22:00 PM »

I live in North Carolina and renewed my registration on my SR last month. Nice to see that North Carolina has eliminated the $150.00 a year EV fee for electric motorcycles.
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Keith

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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2018, 06:09:41 PM »

Or is it just a mistake by NC DMV? I didn't see anything about a change in the news or on NCDOT website. The fee is listed here
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All Electric Vehicles are subject to a $130 fee in addition to their registration fees    $130
https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/fees/?s=VF
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 11:35:11 PM »

Well GA has a $200 fee but I have been emailing my state senator who agreed that it shouldn't be the same for motorcycles as 4800 pound cars.  He wanted my weight specs and i also calculated what I would have paid in gas tax for going 5000 miles figuring 40MPG which came out to $32.50.
We'll see if anything changes but most of these guys don't have these kind of numbers to help make decisions.
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 12:11:18 AM »

I ride 95% off road so the EV tax really rubs me wrong. The only fair solution I can think of is a tax on tires. That would equalize the pain in direct proportion to actual vehicle weight and amount of use if properly done. Tire size and weight rating would affect the rates. But a flat yearly per vehicle fee is just not fair to anybody, especially me!
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2018, 12:35:26 PM »

I ride 95% off road so the EV tax really rubs me wrong. The only fair solution I can think of is a tax on tires. That would equalize the pain in direct proportion to actual vehicle weight and amount of use if properly done. Tire size and weight rating would affect the rates. But a flat yearly per vehicle fee is just not fair to anybody, especially me!

Very clever! I've never heard of a tyre tax.  Spot on though; tyres don't lie - a vehicle needs the right tyres to do the job.  I always look at the rear tyre of a motorcycle to help judge the performance of a sports bike.  I'm surprised the Zero SR doesn't wear bigger shoes, considering all that torque. That's the only exception I can think of!

Ever thought of a career as a tax man Keith?
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 02:25:02 AM »

I do my own taxes and for a few others too, so maybe. But I'd NEVER be politician! That's who needs to hear these ideas and actually do something right. I'm not holding my breath. The big EV manufactures could lobby for it, but they'd be up against the tire industry. Changing laws is always complicated and never keeps up with tech.
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Re: Reducing Washington State electric vehicle fee
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 05:06:54 AM »

I do my own taxes and for a few others too, so maybe. But I'd NEVER be politician! That's who needs to hear these ideas and actually do something right. I'm not holding my breath. The big EV manufactures could lobby for it, but they'd be up against the tire industry. Changing laws is always complicated and never keeps up with tech.

Unfortunately, in the U.S. (and likely elsewhere) it is all about influence bought with money. Our legislators only seem to really respond to "donations" to their reelection campaigns. If you can't afford to buy yourself a congressman, you don't get any respect, much less any favorable legislation introduced.  I am sure that Zero knows that, but they just can't afford the high price of government influence - and there goes the chance of any electric motorcycle incentives.  :(
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