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Author Topic: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0  (Read 564 times)

nigezero

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Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« on: November 17, 2017, 02:49:22 AM »

Tesla are about to launch an incredible all electric truck. Doubling production volume of batteries and motors reduces cost by 19% according to Moore’s Law, and this article is a decent analysis of where they are at; extremely cool.

Seems to me that this is where Zero are stuck - until they can seriously ramp up their volumes growth, prices aren’t going to change much.
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 03:36:08 AM »

> Seems to me that this is where Zero are stuck - until they can seriously ramp up their volumes growth, prices aren’t going to change much.

Some truth to that, I guess.  Battery supplier Faresis does also supply forklift manufacturers, so they benefit from that volume as well, but nothing like the kind of explosive growth the automobile or trucking industries can offer.
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 04:54:50 AM »

Tesla are about to launch an incredible all electric truck. Doubling production volume of batteries and motors reduces cost by 19% according to Moore’s Law, and this article is a decent analysis of where they are at; extremely cool.

Seems to me that this is where Zero are stuck - until they can seriously ramp up their volumes growth, prices aren’t going to change much.

I don't think Moor's Law applies to batteries and motors, just computer circuits.  ???
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 06:11:47 AM »


Well, there is this:

Electric vehicle battery cost dropped 80% in 6 years down to $227/kWh – Tesla claims to be below $190/kWh
https://electrek.co/2017/01/30/electric-vehicle-battery-cost-dropped-80-6-years-227kwh-tesla-190kwh/
Fred Lambert - Jan. 30th 2017 8:43 am ET  @FredericLambert
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 06:28:51 AM »

Each Tesla truck (or Cummings truck) should come with an incorporated electric motorcycle.

( DOT doesn't like strapping a fueled ICE bike on a commercial vehicle. )

Park the Semi at the truckstop and use the cycle for errands and excursions.

I suppose I drove semi WAY before GPS - but wouldn't it be a dream if you didn't know exactly where the destination and loading dock was, you could park the truck, easily hop on a Zero (or Brammo for Cummins) and zip ahead and plan your route?     

Or looking for your trailer at a 100 acre drop yard on an FX?
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 11:21:04 AM »

OMG The trucks, the Green powered MegaChargers at .07 guaranteed...

That Insane 'Base Model' Roadster ... OMG!!! 10,000NM torque
OMG. :o

« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 12:00:47 PM by 42Cliffside »
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 11:42:34 AM »

New TESLA 2.0:

- 1000km at HIGHWAY speed!
- 0-60mph en 1.9 secondes
- 0-100mph 4.2s
- Max speed 402+ km/h
- 3 motors
- 10 000Nm de torque!!!!!! ( 7375 Lb-ft)
- le 1/4 de mile in 8.9s
- 4 seat
New PLAD mode that is higher performance than previous Ludicrous mode

Release date 2019

Bye bye Buggati Chirron, Mc Laren 720s and other petrolosaures!

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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 08:36:39 PM »

All I can say is that is more than I need.  I am happy to just keep up with traffic and have enough range to get to where I want to be and return home. Plus, I am also happy if the traffic on our freeways is moving at least 30 mph, which has been happening less and less lately. Who needs that kind of performance?  ??? But then I drive a 1999 Saturn station wagon that now has 25K miles on the clock, so what do I know.  ::)
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 08:57:29 PM »

For those of us in the US, that 10,000 N-M of torque translates to 7400 ft-lbs! That really threw me for a minute -- there aren't many drag racers with that kind of torque -- but then I realized it's at the rear wheel, so that includes torque multiplication by the overall drive gearing ratio.

That's still monstrous, but not QUITE as mind-boggling as I thought at first. But 0-60 in 1.9 seconds is a really, really high bar to set for any hypercar now or ever.
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 09:08:11 PM »

For those of us in the US, that 10,000 N-M of torque translates to 7400 ft-lbs! That really threw me for a minute -- there aren't many drag racers with that kind of torque -- but then I realized it's at the rear wheel, so that includes torque multiplication by the overall drive gearing ratio.

That's still monstrous, but not QUITE as mind-boggling as I thought at first. But 0-60 in 1.9 seconds is a really, really high bar to set for any hypercar now or ever.

And how are you going to get that much torque to the pavement - without your very expensive tires going up in smoke?   ???
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 10:39:09 PM »

And how are you going to get that much torque to the pavement - without your very expensive tires going up in smoke?   ???

One of the best things about high-performance EVs is that modulating power to the wheels is trivial. The computer that controls the motors is also connected to the wheel speed sensors, so power to the wheels can easily be controlled to manage wheelspin. Obviously they've got it figured out, with a 0-60 time of 1.9 seconds!
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2017, 02:40:04 AM »

whats the price of the truck?
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2017, 04:07:50 AM »

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Obviously they've got it figured out, with a 0-60 time of 1.9 seconds!

That makes everything I've ever seen seem slow. Wow Have your head back indeed Good Advice!.



https://twitter.com/UTITweet/status/931645703591309312
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Re: Other EVs: Tesla Truck and Roadster 2.0
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2017, 06:50:23 AM »

Yeah the race specs are great and all but do you see what I see?

The thing has a 200 kWh battery!
In that tiny package!
Has to be solid state batteries!

It's all coming together.
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