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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2017, 03:54:09 PM »

Is there a J-plug to tesla adapter to use in case you find the next tesla station is out of range? From my home to either Chicago or New Orleans (2 of my fav destinations) there is a dead zone of about 150-200 miles. I think I've read about a 14-50 to tesla adapter for RV parks.
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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2017, 04:40:52 PM »

CCS and Chademo both go from 200-500 v on almost all stations. And average from 50-150A mostly 100A. I'm sitting at one in my leaf now doing 100A. With the SCv2 we can do 128A at far more places, 2 jplugs or 1 Tesla plug. The CCS and Chademo stations are always busy, and there just are not enough of them. If I didn't lease my leaf, I would already have SCv2 on it so I could charge faster. As it stands, I can travel much faster from LA to SF on my bike than my leaf because there are not enough chademos to make  the trip in the leaf. I must use jplugs because there is no other option. Which means on your Zero you would need to spend the night using your onboard if you only had Chademo. And charge slower than you could with an SCv2 the whole trip. Seems like a silly choice all around.

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I'm just wondering, are the Tesla destination chargers in North America 3-phase(capable)? Because they do offer a 3-phase 22kW charger.

On charging your Leaf, do you mean connection the SCv2 directly to the controller/pack? You could wire a chademo plug to your supercharger like this:



But with a SCV2 in the middle of course.

Is there a J-plug to tesla adapter to use in case you find the next tesla station is out of range? From my home to either Chicago or New Orleans (2 of my fav destinations) there is a dead zone of about 150-200 miles. I think I've read about a 14-50 to tesla adapter for RV parks.
You can just use the Tesla mobile connector for that:
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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2017, 11:20:26 PM »

Is there a J-plug to tesla adapter to use in case you find the next tesla station is out of range? From my home to either Chicago or New Orleans (2 of my fav destinations) there is a dead zone of about 150-200 miles. I think I've read about a 14-50 to tesla adapter for RV parks.

Yes. Zak Vetter showed me the one that came with his mom's Model X, and I went and bought one right away. You can get them for $125 on eBay or cheaper directly from tesla. They are awesome, smaller than a can of soda.

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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2017, 11:26:31 PM »

« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 04:03:25 AM by togo »
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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2017, 09:50:12 AM »

Do you ever run into the issue of the business (mostly upscale hotels around here) not allowing you to use their charger unless you're a registered guest?

Most places that have a Tesla charger also have a restaurant when you can spend your money. They are happy to take it.


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« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2017, 02:51:33 AM »

Do you ever run into the issue of the business (mostly upscale hotels around here) not allowing you to use their charger unless you're a registered guest?

Most places that have a Tesla charger also have a restaurant when you can spend your money. They are happy to take it.
If I ate something every 100 miles of a road trip, I's soon exceed the GVW of the bike.  ;)
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« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2017, 03:11:48 AM »

I am totally with you, and I have no idea. 

J1772 inlets are fairly easy to find, and CCS Combo seem to be much harder to price.
A CCS inlet is about €1300-1400.

You can get them from the BMW I3.
I got ahold of two, with the wrong wire color for about 120€. But I don’t know if I can get more.


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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #82 on: November 09, 2017, 10:45:48 PM »

How many SCv2 modules (plus OEM charger) can be run with 1 Tesla plug?
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« Reply #83 on: November 09, 2017, 11:03:02 PM »

Tesla plugs are typically up to 18kw according to the tesla map.

For example, https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/charger/dc33080

18 divided by 3.3 is 5.45, so you could run 5 diginow units at full tilt from one.

That's 16.5kw, so you could expect any Zero under 16.5kwh total *nominal* capacity to disconnect itself if you try that (the 1C limit).

Some Tesla plugs are lower capacity, I've seen as low as 6kw.  (I don't put those stations on the touring metamap unless they are the only game in town.)
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« Reply #84 on: November 09, 2017, 11:05:29 PM »

How many SCv2 modules (plus OEM charger) can be run with 1 Tesla plug?

You can charge with 5 from a single 16 kW (underrated) Tesla plug at 16.5 kW
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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2017, 02:52:20 AM »

(I don't put those stations on the touring metamap unless they are the only game in town.)
It might be handy to do that for when the beefier charger is occupied.
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« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2017, 06:06:23 AM »

> >    (I don't put those stations on the touring metamap unless they are the only game in town.)

> It might be handy to do that for when the beefier charger is occupied.

That's what plugshare is for.  To show you *all* the stations. 

The e-touring metamap is not intended to replace tools like plugshare-- it's intended to reduce clutter, help you find the best stations to try first.  The goal is to have no more than 2-3 stations in each neighborhood or town.
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Re: DC Charging Options
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2017, 04:04:19 AM »


> If I ate something every 100 miles of a road trip, I's soon exceed the GVW of the bike.  ;)

Espresso doppio counts : - )


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It's like flying, but with more traction.  And none of that Z-axis complexity.

Lost my faith in Zero with my 2011 S, but regained it with my 2014 SR.  Diginow SCv2 changed my SR from a fun ride to primary transport.

2014 Zero SR, accessorized. 2008 Vectrix VX-1 NiMH. 2001 Honda Helix.
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