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[Electric Terry]

Yes get at least 2 cards.  I actually have quite a few as backups as the RFID can quit after a few thousand uses or perhaps rather just vibration, because at any EV event like National Drive Electric Week or Earth Day, ChargePoint will usually have a booth handing out free cards.  So for the past years I keep getting more and more backups.  But yes I keep one on my keychain and one in my wallet, and use both every time I stop to activate both ports on a single station.

[gyrocyclist]

Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?

[Shadow]

Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?

A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.

But... I want to charge... faster! 

[anton]

A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.

That lady was pretty rude

[MrDude_1]

Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?

A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.

But... I want to charge... faster! 

Whenever someone is that rude to me about parking their car, I like to make a small comment that makes them wonder if their car will be ok without them there.
I mean, I wont ever do anything to anyones vehicle, but I like leaving the doubt in their mind...

[mrwilsn]

Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?

A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.

But... I want to charge... faster! 

If her car had a tail pipe, why did she take the J1772 plug? Plug in hybrid I guess?

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[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

Just wondering ... has anyone gotton flack from other EV owners for using more than a single plug?

A lady in a Mercedes something-or-other-with-a-tailpipe pulled up while I was getting set up, walked up to me said "Thanks for getting my station ready" and took the second J1772 plug out of my hand.

But... I want to charge... faster! 

If it was this model, an 8kWh battery with 3.3kW charger is not worth putting up with:
http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid

There should be a quick way to signal charge priority and to negotiate a handoff in such cases. The Mercedes' 20 miles of electric range is not worth making room for. They did pay a lot for that car, but that's none of your concern if you're paying for that charge.

[nevetsyad]

There's some debate here, they may only live 15 miles away and charge while there, so they can stay all electric all week long. I know Volt's that have like 100 gas miles out of 50,000. Yes, they deserve the plug, but they also have that backup gen, so they aren't stranded like we can be...it's a difficult call.

[Shadow]

If it was this model, an 8kWh battery with 3.3kW charger is not worth putting up with:
http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid

There should be a quick way to signal charge priority and to negotiate a handoff in such cases. The Mercedes' 20 miles of electric range is not worth making room for. They did pay a lot for that car, but that's none of your concern if you're paying for that charge.

Is that a technical solution for a sense of entitlement? In this case I'm at a casino charging, using their electricity but not spending any money (I don't like casinos and the other stations around that area wouldn't do more than 3kW).

I did get double ICE'd by ADA placard cars, wedged my bike between them and got a 10kW charge in Carson City NV. Also in that event it's a community center where maybe the people driving the cars with ADA placards might actually be part of that community. I'm just passing through. I was glad there is a way for me to physically access the power.

Whose sense of entitlement is it theirs or mine?

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

There's some debate here, they may only live 15 miles away and charge while there, so they can stay all electric all week long. I know Volt's that have like 100 gas miles out of 50,000. Yes, they deserve the plug, but they also have that backup gen, so they aren't stranded like we can be...it's a difficult call.

That's a reasonable set of points. I guess what I'd try to do is try to say "I'll plug you in in fifteen minutes after I'm done, that's how fast I'll be". Getting their 20 miles of range back at 3kW will take longer no matter what.

If it was this model, an 8kWh battery with 3.3kW charger is not worth putting up with:
http://www.plugincars.com/mercedes-s550-plug-hybrid

There should be a quick way to signal charge priority and to negotiate a handoff in such cases. The Mercedes' 20 miles of electric range is not worth making room for. They did pay a lot for that car, but that's none of your concern if you're paying for that charge.

Is that a technical solution for a sense of entitlement? In this case I'm at a casino charging, using their electricity but not spending any money (I don't like casinos and the other stations around that area wouldn't do more than 3kW).

I did get double ICE'd by ADA placard cars, wedged my bike between them and got a 10kW charge in Carson City NV. Also in that event it's a community center where maybe the people driving the cars with ADA placards might actually be part of that community. I'm just passing through. I was glad there is a way for me to physically access the power.

Whose sense of entitlement is it theirs or mine?

Are the EV slots also ADA-dedicated? If so, they're probably legally entitled to it.

It is good if electric motorcycles can bypass ICE-ing but clearly there's some form of entitlement going on here if an ADA-enabled EV car shows up and can't charge because of the ICE vehicles or because of a traveling electric motorcycle.

I'm definitely not interested in trying to technicalize a point of etiquette, just using some basic social protocol to negotiate and help people understand where priorities are best placed without causing an upset or overreaction. I do like using clearly-labeled charging tags on our inlets or the cables with contact info to negotiate. I need to try using these in the field to see whether they help.

Of course, I'm sure Nevada culture is hostile to EVs by default and there's a very big challenge to be good PR for the community in that way.

[togo]

There's some debate here, they may only live 15 miles away and charge while there, so they can stay all electric all week long. I know Volt's that have like 100 gas miles out of 50,000. Yes, they deserve the plug, but they also have that backup gen, so they aren't stranded like we can be...it's a difficult call.

My Volt occupies a J-plug on a regular basis.  It is badged "electric first" and we try to drive it all-electric as much as possible.  But of course I would give way in an instant for someone who is necessity-charging.  Unfortunately most of the interactions are with only one party present, so misunderstandings and assumptions compound, since the other party isn't there to discuss with.  I *do* put a sign or two on the dash, one warning that the car sounds an alarm if unplugged and promising to be back promptly at end of charge, and another giving clear directions to the 8 stations in the basement of the same garage.  (Unfortunately they have to go around the block to get there.)  And I do generally charge it overnight, at low demand times, and I do charge it on Level 1 when there's a parking space that lets me do it without blocking a J-plug.

[togo]

My three-brick Dub-Jay setup has been very reliable, with the following two caveats:

At a station with extra-high voltage, the diginow draws more watts, I can exceed 1C and get disconnected.  Example, the chargepoints by Peet's in Millbrae CA.

If I've been riding hard, and then proceed to charge hard, battery temp can exceed 50C/122F, and it disconnects. 

In both cases I fall back to two-brick charging, single J-plug.  (That turns out to be a fairly high 7000+ Zero-app-reported watts at the Millbrae stations I mentioned above)

[Skidz]

I think keeping multiple plugs occupied is a matter of etiquette. If i'd be driving around with a hybrid, and went out of my normal route to find a charge point to stay electric, I'd be unpleased to find a single vehicle keeping both (Or three, i just read) charge points occupied. IMHO if you park somewhere and there are 3 points available you can use them untill some other user comes around, no matter what they drive.
If i'm doing a long trip and expect a charger to be available somewhere and another user is using multiple plugs to get going faster, that means i'm not going anywhere faster because I have to wait for the other party to finish charging. The social thing to do is share the EVSE IMHO instead of hogging all outlets.

[Electric Terry]

I think keeping multiple plugs occupied is a matter of etiquette. If i'd be driving around with a hybrid, and went out of my normal route to find a charge point to stay electric, I'd be unpleased to find a single vehicle keeping both (Or three, i just read) charge points occupied. IMHO if you park somewhere and there are 3 points available you can use them untill some other user comes around, no matter what they drive.
If i'm doing a long trip and expect a charger to be available somewhere and another user is using multiple plugs to get going faster, that means i'm not going anywhere faster because I have to wait for the other party to finish charging. The social thing to do is share the EVSE IMHO instead of hogging all outlets.

Great point Skidz!  And very true!  If you are DubJay or TripJay charging it is important to wait with the bike for a few reasons.  One is if you have a powerful station, heat, or mismatched model year powertank/monolith combo, there are just 3 of the reasons the battery will disconnect (over 1C charge or over 50C temp) and you will need to manually restart the charging session with less power. 

But 2nd and most important is to not get anyone upset and posting about the Zero bike owners etiquette.  There are webpages and forums and facebook groups dedicated to this:  ICEHoles, EVHoles, etc...

If someone comes and needs to charge and there are no other spots, always offer them to park next to you and to plug them in immediately.  I often talk to them about their charging needs and will have them open their charge port, and as soon as I am at 80% SOC, usually within 5 minutes of talking to them, I plug them in before I go, even if its a ChargePoint and it's $2 an hour, it's ok with me, and I usually get a notification about an hour later arriving at the next station that I just unplugged and my cost is $1.74 or something right as I'm plugging in the next 2 ChargePoint stations.

Its important that all the Zero owners that are now #DubJay charging do so responsibly.  My recommendation is you will charge so fast that you never need to leave your bike anyway.  If you have to pee, or leave for any reason, make sure there are other charge plugs available or leave a easily visable note with your phone number on it and your expected return time, with the words "Ok to unplug" on all except the last J plug.

[togo]

I think keeping multiple plugs occupied is a matter of etiquette. If i'd be driving around with a hybrid, and went out of my normal route to find a charge point to stay electric, I'd be unpleased to find a single vehicle keeping both (Or three, i just read) charge points occupied. IMHO if you park somewhere and there are 3 points available you can use them untill some other user comes around, no matter what they drive.
If i'm doing a long trip and expect a charger to be available somewhere and another user is using multiple plugs to get going faster, that means i'm not going anywhere faster because I have to wait for the other party to finish charging. The social thing to do is share the EVSE IMHO instead of hogging all outlets.

I made quick and dirty tags for mine, red that says "please dont' unplug" and one green that says "ok to unplug".  That way, if someone needs charging, they can just unplug me, and if not, the plug isn't wasted.

*and* I clear the stations for the next occupant more quickly, since i'm charging fast.