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Author Topic: 2016 FXS Lowered Ride Height Ikon Shock, Dual Use Tires, Drop Bars, Hand Guards,  (Read 6202 times)

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It looks like the FXS uses a shorter kickstand than the FX.  Measured from the pivot center to the rear of the foot as in the previous post, the FX kickstand is 13.5" / 343mm long.

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Those 21 inch front tires will do that for you.

I made contact with Zero HQ,  PARTS, looking at a  like ZERO, lower, fat tires, different side stand, etc and may be able provide some  information.

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The FX and the FXS have the same frame and apparently the same seat.
FX  2016 seat height : 881 mm
FXS 2016 seat height : 836 mm
Difference in seat height: 881 - 836 = 45 mm
Difference in side stands: 343 - 300 = 43 mm : that is coherent !
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The FX and the FXS have the same frame and apparently the same seat.
FX  2016 seat height : 881 mm
FXS 2016 seat height : 836 mm
Difference in seat height: 881 - 836 = 45 mm
Difference in side stands: 343 - 300 = 43 mm : that is coherent !

We can use this information of seat height v kick stand length to extrapolate a given kick stand to be used to fit a changed seat height if you can add in the cause of the change.  Meaning cutting down just the seat has no effect on a need for a reduced kick stand but shock and seat height is the key to using this information.  Limited for the moment to two models above but more input from forum members may provide us with a formula for all the Zero Models.
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So then, the FXS shock is shorter than the FX shock ? Would this be a good way to lower the FX ?
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So then, the FXS shock is shorter than the FX shock ? Would this be a good way to lower the FX ?

 The FX has taller tires,  my experience is that the OEM shock needs a different spring but yes lowering the shock or using an aftermarket shock is the first step.  Part of the process is having a system where you can adjust SAG to your body weight.  If you cannot adjust SAG then you need to find out why.

http://racetech.com/articles/SuspensionAndSprings.htm

 Suspension and Springs - Sag
What's all this ruckus about suspension these days? It seems everyone is clued in that suspension setup can be a key to riding fast and safely, but how do you do it? No matter what shock or fork you have, they all require proper adjustment to work to their maximum potential. Suspension tuning isn't rocket science, and if you follow step-by-step procedures you can make remarkable improvements in your bike's handling characteristics.

The first step to setting up any bike is to set the spring sag and determine if you have the correct-rate springs. Spring sag is the amount the springs compress between fully topped out and fully loaded with the rider on board in riding position. It is also referred to as static ride height or static sag. My company, Race Tech, 951.279.6655 has an advanced method of checking spring sag that I'll describe.

If you've ever measured sag before, you may have noticed that if you check it three or four times, you can get three or four times, you can get three or four different numbers without changed anything. We'll tell you why this occurs and how to handle it.

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Step 1: Extend the suspension completely by getting the wheel off the ground. It helps to have a few friends around. On bikes with sidestands the bike can usually be carefully rocked up on the stand to unload the suspension. Most race stands will not work because the suspension will still be loaded by resting on the swingarm rather than the wheel. Measure the distance from the axle vertically to some point on the chassis (metric figures are easiest and more precise; Figure 1). Mark this reference point because you'll need to refer to it again. This measurement is L1. If the measurement is not exactly vertical the sag numbers will be inaccurate (too low).

Step 2: Take the bike off the stand and put the rider on board in riding position. Have a third person balance the bike from the front. If accuracy is important to you, you must take friction of the linkage into account. This is where our procedure is different: We take two additional measurements. First, push down on the rear end about 25mm (1") and let it extend very slowly.

Where it stops, measure the distance between the axle and the mark on chassis again. If there were no drag in the linkage the bike would come up a little further. It's important that you do not bounce! This measurement is L2.

Step 3: Have your assistant lift up on the rear of the bike about 25mm and let it down very slowly. Where it stops, measure it. If there were no drag it would drop a little further. Remember, don't bounce! This measurement it L3.

Step 4: The spring sag is in the middle of these two measurements. In fact, if there were no drag in the linkage, L2 and L3 would be the same. To get the actual sag figure you find the midpoint by averaging the two numbers and subtracting them from the fully extended measurement L1: static spring sag = L1 -[(L2 + L3) / 2].

Step 5: Adjust the preload with whatever method applies to your bike. Spring collars are common, and some benefit from the use of special tools. In a pinch you can use a blunt chisel to unlock the collars and turn the main adjusting collar. If you have too much sag you need more preload; if you have too little sag you need less preload. For road race bikes, rear sag is typically 25 to 30mm. Street riders usually use 30 to 35mm. Bikes set up for the track are compromise when ridden on the street. The firmer settings commonly used on the tract are generally not recommended (or desirable) for road work.

You might notice the Sag Master measuring tool (available from Race Tech) in the pictures. It's a special tool made to assist you in measuring sag by allowing you to read sag directly without subtracting. It can also be used as a standard tape measure.

Measuring front-end sag is very similar to the rear. However, it' much more critical to take seal drag into account on the front end because it is more pronounced.

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Step 1: Extend the fork completely and measure from the wiper (the dust seal atop the slider) to the bottom of the triple clamp (or lower fork casting on inverted forks; Figure 2). This measurement is L1.

Step 2: Take the bike off the sidestand, and put the rider on board in riding position. Get and assistant to balance the bike from the rear, then push down on the front end and let it extend very slowly.

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Where it stops, measure the distance between the wiper and the bottom of the triple clamp again. Do not bounce. This measurement is L2.

Step 3: Lift up on the front end and let it drop very slowly. Where it stops, measure again. Don't bounce. This measurement is L3. Once again, L2 and L3 are different due to stiction or drag in the seals and bushings, which is particularly high for telescopic front ends.

Step 4: Just as with the front, halfway between L2 and L3 is where the sag would be with no drag or stiction. Therefore L2 and L3 must be averaged and subtracted from L1 to calculate true spring sag: static spring sag = L1 - [l2 + l3) / 2].

Step 5: To adjust sag use the preload adjusters, if available, or vary the length of the preload spaces inside the fork.

Street bikes run between 25 and 33 percent of their total travel, which equates to 30 to 35mm. Roadrace bikes usually run between 25 and 30mm.

This method of checking sag and taking stiction into account also allows you to check the drag of the linkage and seals. It follows that the greater the difference between the measurements (pushing down and pulling up), the worse the stiction. A good linkage (rear sag) has less than 3mm (0.12") difference, and a bad one has more than 10mm (0.39"). Good forks have less than 15mm difference, and we've seen forks with more than 50mm. (Gee, I wonder why they're harsh?)

It's important to stress that there is no magic number. If you like the feel of the bike with less or more sag than these guidelines, great. Your personal sag and front-to-rear sag bias will depend on chassis geometry, track or road conditions, tire selection and rider weight and riding preference.

Using different sag front and rear will have huge effect on steering characteristics. More sag on the front or less sag on the rear will make the bike turn more slowly. Increasing sag will also decrease bottoming resistance, though spring rate has a bigger effect than sag. Racers often use less sag to keep the bike clearance, and since roadraces work greater than we see on the street, they require a stiffer setup. Of course, setting spring sag is only first step of dialing in your suspension, so stay tuned for future articles on spring rates and damping.

-Paul Thede

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Ordered a Kick Stand from my Dealer to be drop shipped.   Just received an e mail from FedEx to expect to see it soon.

I ordered the short one as used on the model S.
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Kick Stand Pad on a string.
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A handy front brake parking answer.
And yes  I have one and it stays on the right.

http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=205

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My 2013 FX is set up as an FXs. S Front end. S wheels, S brakes and Fox Shock
The bike always stood almost upright. When the factory FXs came out, I got an
FXs side stand from Harlan at Hollywood Electrics. Worked perfectly.
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Okay that is one way to keep a kickstand pad around I had not considered! I throw mine in a tank bag with my tools.
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My 2013 FX is set up as an FXs. S Front end. S wheels, S brakes and Fox Shock
The bike always stood almost upright. When the factory FXs came out, I got an
FXs side stand from Harlan at Hollywood Electrics. Worked perfectly.

As my FXS sets now, with the lowered shock, it too is too upright and I have to pull it over a bit to have some lean.   The S side stand may be too short but I'll know soon.
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Here is some more suspension information/riding information  that is in the form of FAQ from RACE TECH.

http://racetech.com/page/id/30
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Wouldn't you know?

FedEx has misplaced my reduced length Kick Stand Shipment!

Delivery was set for Saturday.

Zero shipped promptly, tracking shows it left Ca.  No more information except "Delivery Pending".

Color that to "Package location unknown at this time".
 
Maybe it will be found and delivered today.

But that is the good thing about a "Drop Shipment" and tracking a shipment.
Dealer did their part.
Zero did their part.

FedEx dropped the ball.

Update> Monday @ 1715, shipment will be delivered tomorrow.  Hoorah!



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Short Kick Stand delivered.

Your package has been delivered    
      
Ship date:
Wed, 3/8/2017
Zero Motorcycles Inc.
Scotts Valley, CA
US
   
Delivered
   
Delivery date:
Tue, 3/14/2017 9:29 am

6 days, almost as fast as the Pony Express!

This is a beaut! It has a different foot and will look good tucked in, after I paint it black.

When it warms up some I'll take pictures, before, during and after the install.

Sparky
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