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Author Topic: 2016 FXS Lowered Ride Height Ikon Shock, Dual Use Tires, Drop Bars, Hand Guards,  (Read 6147 times)

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Re: Zero 2016 FXS Lowered Ride Height, Dual Use Tires
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2017, 08:20:24 PM »

If you go in the rough then you and the Bike will like these.
Hand Guards
Drop Bars/Brush Guards/Crash Bars
Conti Escape Tires
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_18&products_id=220
« Last Edit: March 03, 2017, 11:02:06 PM by Sparkymoto »
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This was installed to allow the use of a SLIME Tire inflation kit.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=143
« Last Edit: March 04, 2017, 01:52:02 AM by Sparkymoto »
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@Sparkymoto : Thanks for the details

I also have installed the hand guards (they have been useful!), the 12V Accessory Socket Kit, and also the Top Box Rack Kit.

Concerning the front wheel :
  • The original tire is Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70 17 54 H. That gives a diameter of 58.6 cm.
  • The Continental TKC 70 exists in front tire 120/70 17 58 W. That gives a diameter of 60.0 cm.
  • Your Conti Escape exists in rear tire only, and 120/90 17 64 S. That gives a diameter of 64.8 cm.

I attach a file with some links and the diameter calculation.
I think that I would preferably use the Continental TKC 70, since it is a "front tire", and has a diameter much closer to the original tires.
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@Sparkymoto : Thanks for the details

I also have installed the hand guards (they have been useful!), the 12V Accessory Socket Kit, and also the Top Box Rack Kit.

Concerning the front wheel :
  • The original tire is Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70 17 54 H. That gives a diameter of 58.6 cm.
  • The Continental TKC 70 exists in front tire 120/70 17 58 W. That gives a diameter of 60.0 cm.
  • Your Conti Escape exists in rear tire only, and 120/90 17 64 S. That gives a diameter of 64.8 cm.

I attach a file with some links and the diameter calculation.
I think that I would preferably use the Continental TKC 70, since it is a "front tire", and has a diameter much closer to the original tires.

I read your text and assume you have a preference for Continental TKC 70.  Other than the similar circumference to the OEM tire the use of the TKC with the Escape is asking for unusual handling.  I prefer the Escapes and matched them to the OEM rim size and my planned percentage of ride time on different surfaces.

Mixing tread design and tire types could be more damaging than a concern about circumferential difference by a small percentage.  The TKC is rated for a  a larger percentage of Dirt time.

The different aspect ratio was selected because it delivers a taller side wall and important to me since the rims are cast and not spokes. Volume with the taller side wall allows me a bit of room to lower the air pressure and have a softer ride in the dirt without compromising the cast rims ability to take abuse.  The SLIME kit rides with, it is a simple exercise to air up when I leave the dirt.
 
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Mixing tread design and tire types could be more damaging than a concern about circumferential difference by a small percentage.  The TKC is rated for a  a larger percentage of Dirt time.
Do not worry, I will not mix the tire types. The Continental TKC 70 exists in rear tire also. I will probably use size 130/80-17
http://www.continental-tires.com/motorcycle/tires/motorcycle-tires/off-road-enduro/tkc-70
I do not think that the TKC70 is rated for a larger percentage of dirt time than the Escape. Continental says: "TKC 70 is positioned for light to medium off-road use with extraordinary street performance".

The different aspect ratio was selected because it delivers a taller side wall and important to me since the rims are cast and not spokes. Volume with the taller side wall allows me a bit of room to lower the air pressure and have a softer ride in the dirt without compromising the cast rims ability to take abuse.  The SLIME kit rides with, it is a simple exercise to air up when I leave the dirt.
OK, I understand. We do not have the same use of our FXS in mind. I just would like to occasionally ride in the dirt (with minimal changes to my bike). And you want to be able to ride with bigger tires and low pressure.
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Mixing tread design and tire types could be more damaging than a concern about circumferential difference by a small percentage.  The TKC is rated for a  a larger percentage of Dirt time.
Do not worry, I will not mix the tire types. The Continental TKC 70 exists in rear tire also. I will probably use size 130/80-17
http://www.continental-tires.com/motorcycle/tires/motorcycle-tires/off-road-enduro/tkc-70
I do not think that the TKC70 is rated for a larger percentage of dirt time than the Escape. Continental says: "TKC 70 is positioned for light to medium off-road use with extraordinary street performance".

The different aspect ratio was selected because it delivers a taller side wall and important to me since the rims are cast and not spokes. Volume with the taller side wall allows me a bit of room to lower the air pressure and have a softer ride in the dirt without compromising the cast rims ability to take abuse.  The SLIME kit rides with, it is a simple exercise to air up when I leave the dirt.
OK, I understand. We do not have the same use of our FXS in mind. I just would like to occasionally ride in the dirt (with minimal changes to my bike). And you want to be able to ride with bigger tires and low pressure.

From Cycle World http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/08/18/continental-tkc-70-adventure-bike-motorcycle-tire-review

"For the vast majority of off-highway travel, the TKC 70s are a perfect compromise for heavy ADV bikes that will spend more time on road than off. They offer far superior dirt grip than the TrailAttack2 while offering very similar traction on the road. Unless your route includes sand, mud, or very soft and/or rocky terrain, the TKC 70 is a wise choice because it’s designed to last a lot longer than a knobby."

Different strokes.
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Thanks. This is an interesting review about the Continental TKC 70. It seems to perfectly match the use I plan to do with the bike.

I would like to lower the bike a little bit, just by changing the suspension settings, and perhaps raising the fork a little bit. But if I do that, it seems that I will have to shorten the side stand, and I do not want to damage my bike. Did you get this problem?
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Thanks. This is an interesting review about the Continental TKC 70. It seems to perfectly match the use I plan to do with the bike.

I would like to lower the bike a little bit, just by changing the suspension settings, and perhaps raising the fork a little bit. But if I do that, it seems that I will have to shorten the side stand, and I do not want to damage my bike. Did you get this problem?

So far I have left the side stand alone, it would be nice if it was maybe 1 inch shorter when parked on asphalt for it doesn't have the lean I would like.  But then again in the dirt it is easy to find a depression.  I left the side stand alone for now but plan on checking the ZERO line for a shorter stand on one of the other bikes.  If needed I will cut off the stand and re-weld the base.

I'll post another picture of my side stand landing pad on a string.  The FXS also serves as a "look out" when I need a rest break or some time to stop and observe my stock,  "picture a horse and rider".  So I have the landing pad in the tank bag with a   Kevlar string attached to a tie point inside the tank bag.    It is simple and quick to retrieve the landing pad and be gone.   It takes longer to type it than it does to do it and you do not even have to get off the bike.

Here is another short review:
Continental Rear TKC 70 130/80-17 Blackwall Tire - 2402470000
https://www.denniskirk.com/continental/rear-tkc-70-130-80-17-blackwall-tire-2402470000.p643738.prd/643738.sku
    TKC 70 combines the best of the TKC 80 off-road tire and ContiTrailAttack 2 on-road Adventure tire
    Brand new Conti-tire with rugged off-road capability and a balanced street performance
    TKC 70 is positioned for 60 percent on-road and 40 percent off-road use
    Unique tread block pattern makes the TKC 70 quiet and stable on the road while still providing good off-road capability
    Agile on streets and safe on gravel roads
    MultiGrip: Continentals own semi-dual compound technology allows different levels of hardness on the central tread and shoulder area (more mileage and improved grip)
    RainGrip: New compounding with outstanding grip in wet weather conditions and very short warm-up phase"
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OK. Thank you.
I do not know how to ask ZERO if they have a shorter side stand.
If you get this information in the future, I am greatly interested !
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OK. Thank you.
I do not know how to ask ZERO if they have a shorter side stand.
If you get this information in the future, I am greatly interested !

Will Do.

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The FX side stand (Zero p/n 20-05662 03) is 15.0" / 380mm long from pivot-pin center to tip of foot.

The DS side stand (Zero p/n 20-05661 03) is 10.8" / 275mm (pivot ctr - foot tip).

Both kickstands are identical from the spring screw up to the pivot, and should interchange.

There's also a short kickstand for the S and SR (20-05660 03).  It uses the same pivot pin & spring as the other two, and is surely shorter than 10.8".

Ray
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The FX side stand (Zero p/n 20-05662 03) is 15.0" / 380mm long from pivot-pin center to tip of foot.

The DS side stand (Zero p/n 20-05661 03) is 10.8" / 275mm (pivot ctr - foot tip).

Both kickstands are identical from the spring screw up to the pivot, and should interchange.

There's also a short kickstand for the S and SR (20-05660 03).  It uses the same pivot pin & spring as the other two, and is surely shorter than 10.8".

Ray

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I've made a kickstand section for the wiki manual based on Ray's comments and my own experience replacing a kickstand once.

http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Kickstand
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I have measured the side stand of my FXS 2016. It is about 300mm from the ground to the rotation axis, see the joined pictures.

From previous message from rayivers, the DS side stand should be about 1 inch shorter :
"the DS side stand (Zero p/n 20-05661 03) is 10.8" / 275mm (pivot ctr - foot tip)"

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