I like your opinions and your reasons for and against traction control etc.
@yhafting, not sure if your term technofobia is really applicable since pretty much everybody here displays exactly the opposite by embracing this new transportation method (technology) so early on.
Here is my issue with traction and other controls besides that I wrote half a page already about this.
Being able to turn it off unfortunately doesn't cut it.
I'd like to have ABS off all the time but..... I will not be able to endure the constant process of holding buttons down and wait until something turns off before I can begin my ride.
I want to hop on my bike in a moment's notice and zip away.
The slight delay for the battery contactor to close is almost too much.
And pulling the fuse won't do it either, since I'd have this constant red light on the dashboard. Although now that I mentioned it, I'll try pulling the fuse and see how much the light pisses me off.
I don't think that anybody can really understand what I mean unless they would actually take a bike and explore what it does when you simply overbrake the wheels and learn to sense it and recover from it.
I rode my bikes through decades of ice and snow and there is no substitute for the feeling you develop when you have free range over your riding controls unhampered by technology.
ABS is not necessary and actually dangerous because it doesn't let you develop that essential feeling for loading up a tire and going behyond it in situations in which you should even get close to that in the first place.
Take a bike, lock the front tire and recover. It is not rocket surgery.
I don't think we need to talk about the rear period. Letting the rear slide under breaking and actually modulate it is not just fun, but also an essential skill in bike riding.
Learning to properly trail brake into turns is essential for advanced cornering. It increases stability and handling hence safety of your bike.
There are tons of good articles out there that deal with that technique.http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/05/28/the-brake-light-initiative-treatise-on-motorcycle-control-using-your-braking-skillshttps://www.n2td.org/trail-braking/
Anyway, back to where we were,
I am all for technology, I am going to install TPMS (tire pressure monitoring) soon, because I am too lazy to check my tire pressure, which I do all the time regardless of being lazy.
So, I'll let technology help me with pleasure.
But, bikes are attractive because they can do thing that cars simply cannot do.
And they are attractive because they allow you to make choices that are almost impossible to make nowadays when surrounded by public life.
Almost every normal person (non rider) makes a comment about riding in reference that it is dangerous.
Frankly, it is as dangerous as you make it minus the unlucky 5-10% shit happens factor that can cost you your life even in a car with 22 airbags.
There is a very fine difference in the essence doing something that is 100% safe (although theoretically that doesn't actually exist) or having to live with a fact that if you are not smart and careful it will bite you.
By the way, there are a huge amounts of situations in which traction control on or off doesn't even matter, since I have to take the responsibility for myself and for others and slow the f.... down and make sure no matter what that I won't be the idiot throwing my bike through other traffic participants like I am bowling.
The situations where traction control would activate are all situations where I'd simply crash the bike and be ok anyway, since I am not doing it where I could be taken volley by oncoming traffic, or be shredded by 18 wheelers that are directly behind me or, or, or....
It is part of reading the street, gauging your speed difference to others and always minimizing the situations where there is no out.
I maybe am in situations where there is no alternative, the oh shit bail out 2% of my entire riding time.
If there is no out, I am not there by either staying back, or mostly just by clearing out using the Zero's tremendous time machine function (torque).
Any turn or intersection I am approaching I always visualize where the heck I would fly and how much energy I'd have to get rid off by either laying it down, or trying to ride it through my alternative path that I already have picked. I even prepare the worst situation, oncoming traffic left turn, the classic killer, I watch them, prepare to brake the shit out of my bike and then ride around them if possible and if not, either lay it down and bump them, or prepare to hit them and jump as high as I can to clear the car.
I is about the mental preparation.
If I cannot live with that analysis, I slow the f... down and reduce any possible mishap to simply a bit over "bicycle road rash".
And yes, I slow the f... down quite often.
When you watch You tube videos of bike crashes, I notices that 80% give or take of all those horrific crashes, where most guys say, well that was the car's fault is actually not true.
In most of those cases their differential speed was way out of proportion. Yes, technically the car was at fault, but in all reality, they are charging through traffic like idiots and get cut off because no one has to suspect anyone coming through lanes of traffic that fast with no time to react or correct once the fatal mistake and error was made to cross that path. I get a kick out of seeing the same behavior all the time.
I'd say too high of differential speed to your surroundings are the number one killer of bikers. You are not giving anybody involved a chance. And it doesn't really matter if technically the car shouldn't have crossed your path.
Dead or paralyzed is dead or paralyzed...
So, what I am saying is that with systems that are constantly taking over when you overreached the physical laws, you'll never actually feel what riding is all about.
You're not riding, you're transporting your body from point A to point B.
Sorry, and it's ok if you want to disagree with me, obviously it's ok, but I want to be in charge when it comes to controlling a machine.
That is why they gave me such a great algorithm to be able to torque my rear wheel until I lose traction.
That is on purpose and is essential, or else it's not what I want from riding at this point of my riding life.
I highly recommend and suggest to anybody to either buy a less torquey bike, or dial the modes down for a long, long time until they are really, really, ready.
But traction control will diminish the idea of an awesome motorbike.
And wait until it begins to fail, that's when the real fun starts.
Awesome thread, great viewpoints, lovely discussion.