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Author Topic: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.  (Read 1459 times)

Justin Andrews

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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2017, 08:55:32 PM »

Quote from: drivespark.com
They started off with their first motorcycle codenamed TX 01, which is their prototype, this took them to winning the iconic Isle Of Man TT. This electric motorcycles touched a top speed of 156 km/h powered by 30Nm of torque and peaking at 40bhp. They used a 7.2KW battery pack to power the race machine.


I seriously doubt they won at the TT, they came last in the open event in 2009, when it was the TT-XGP, and never placed in any of the TT-Zero events.

TT-XGP (2009)  Open class
1   England Chris Heath   ElectricMotorsport.com / Native Cycles   66.022 mph (106.252 km/h)   34' 17.30
2   England Chris Petty   Barefoot Motors   62.219 mph (100.132 km/h)   36' 23.06
3   Isle of Man John Crellin   TORK   60.475 mph (97.325 km/h)   37' 26.01

List of IOM TT-Zero Winners
Mark Miller - MotoCzysz E1pc / MotoCzysz - (2010)
Michael Rutter   MotoCzysz (2011)
Michael Rutter   MotoCzysz (2012)
Michael Rutter   MotoCzysz (2013)
John McGuinness   Shinden San / Team Mugen (2014)
John McGuinness   Shinden San / Team Mugen (2015)
Bruce Anstey   Shinden Go / Team Mugen (2016)




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TTXGP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_Zero


These days a race fitted Energica Ego would struggle to place at the TT-Zero. ;)
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2017, 09:08:50 PM »

Battery might be upgradeable at a later date,more power,more cycles as battery tech advances.Competition is good,it will drive prices down, something which there is no argument , needs to happen with ZERO.

Zero's have *technically* been getting cheaper. That is to say, that the price of a 2012 ZF9 is similar to a 2017 Zero-S, however the Zero-S is a far more capable machine.

Sadly the UK price took a hike this year because the pound tanked against the dollar and euro, which has'nt helped any.
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2017, 09:56:03 PM »

The UK price of the FXS just took a £900 drop. That's good for some, but it really wound me up. I got a £1500 discount for taking one of the last 2016 models and almost 8 weeks later I'm still being screwed around trying to register it. A £600 discount to take a 2016 over a 2017... not so tempting. Zero's response appears to be "tough luck".
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2017, 10:01:17 PM »

Team Agni ?
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2017, 10:34:38 PM »

Team Agni (Aka Team Lynch) are better known these days as Saietta, they are not Tork.
Back in the day Agni worked more closely with Zero than Tork.

Saietta are still participating in the TT-Zero events (well trying, their bike keeps failing to qualify Edit: no sorry I was thinking of Sarolea)

I suspect the link is that Tork's founder, Kapil Shelke, was an engineer at Agni...
If they are claiming that the Agni Bike was a Tork bike, then that is a bit cheeky of Tork.

Though I am wondering now if the Tork that ran at the 2009 race is a different entity to the Indian one.


Info on Agni / Saietta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saietta_Group
(page probably should note that Zero stopped using Agni motors from 2012 onwards)
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2017, 10:38:30 PM »

Wikipedia
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2017, 10:43:27 PM »

I believe he was a Top engineer at Agni, TORK competed in the open I think,not the PRO as AGNI did.....
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2017, 10:54:15 PM »

Yes. But Agni is not Tork.
I'm saying it's disingenuous of Tork as a company to say they won at the TT-XGP, simply because one of the designers worked on the Agni bike.

That would be like saying that Oculus created the Award winning Doom computer game simply because John Carmack now works at Oculus.


Besides that has little relation to the Agni Racing bike and the low power scooter Tork are trying to bring to market.

Don't get me wrong, I wish Tork all the best, more electric bikes are a good thing. However I really don't think the big players such as Zero, or Energica, will be losing any sleep. Now if one of the big six get in to the game, thats when you might see real downward pressures on prices, as they have the clout to get components cheap that smaller outfits such as Zero don't always have ( for example Zero going over to Showa suspension components was simply because increasing sales volumes on their bikes meant they could finally negotiate a contract). Remember Mugen is really just Honda with the serial numbers filed off, and Kawasaki are known to be toying with an electric version of the Ninja.
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2017, 12:07:39 AM »

If that's what happened,.........I'm sure it will all come out in the wash,either way it's got to be good for development.
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2017, 05:20:26 AM »

A brief history of TORQ

http://torkmotors.com/
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2017, 05:54:33 AM »

It is a Chinese bike. I know the factory in China which sells it there under a different name ;) it is a lot more like a scooter than the zero. Good for getting around on in town, but one really should not compare it to a Zero.

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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2017, 06:06:19 AM »

It's Indian, and what makes you say it's a scooter ?
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2017, 06:23:53 AM »

Founder of TORK worked for Agni

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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2017, 12:04:38 PM »

A lot of people commute on bigger bikes than a 125cc because that also want to enjoy the ride as well. A 125cc scooter will commute just fine, but they are not taking over the market. I see the same for the T6X.

 
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Re: Can Zero Compete with the pricing of TORK Motorcycles.
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2017, 12:57:17 PM »

Its not equivalent to a 125.....
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