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Ev outfit may help some projects.
« on: November 26, 2016, 12:05:47 PM »

All you big EE and home moders may find these guys helpful or you may already know about them.


http://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?osCsid=06klvsticj0epb5fvrgl7keub6
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Re: Ev outfit may help some projects.
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 09:06:20 PM »

Ummm can this work like I think it can?

http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=97&osCsid=06klvsticj0epb5fvrgl7keub6

And if so can 2 work like I hope they can?
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Ev outfit may help some projects.
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 12:18:58 AM »

Ummm can this work like I think it can?

http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=97&osCsid=06klvsticj0epb5fvrgl7keub6

And if so can 2 work like I hope they can?


Yes, if you program and wire it to work with the Zero battery safely. (Factory customization can probably do this.)

Hollywood Electric's Elcon Quick Charger takes the PFC2500 and configures it for this. Ben Rich uses two to get around the country. These are reliable because they're built for industrial electric forklifts and trucks, like Sevcon's controllers.

https://hollywoodelectrics.com/product/elcon-quick-charger/

The PFC5000 seems to have about the same weight as two PFC2500's so is not much improvement, and the 2500 is easier to carry on a Zero. The 2500 is already a challenge to carry in a Zero side rack, so the 5000 might be a little on the dangerous side. Check the dimensions and weight and see if you can make it work, though.
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Re: Ev outfit may help some projects.
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 02:19:04 AM »

True but can you use two of them plus the on board for 11.3kW?

Also price is where I see an advantage, if you want the 5kw anyway.
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Re: Ev outfit may help some projects.
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 04:08:15 AM »

True but can you use two of them plus the on board for 11.3kW?

Of course not. But I bought a Supercharger, so I clearly prioritize solving that. (It is regrettable that orders are on hiatus of course.)

Also price is where I see an advantage, if you want the 5kw anyway.

For that amount of power, you're going to find that that's a lot of mass (30lbs per charger) to carry on a Zero. It can be done in principle, but each one won't fit in a Givi side case, the top rack is not suitable for that amount of mass, and I'd feel pretty worried trying to strap even one to the passenger seat of my bike. I throw my PFC2500 into a waterproof duffle bag and strap that to my passenger seat and top case, but the PFC 5000 is two 2500s side-by-side (1.9x weight and volume) and I don't want to strain my arrangement more than it is.

I'd guess that your best bet is to weld a structure onto the frame surrounding the battery to support them. And probably cut down the cooling fins a bit to save a little weight and drag (and align the fins with the wind).

Anyway, you're free to buy it, but if you do, talk to Harlan or them about how to program it, and think pretty hard about how you're going to carry / mount it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2016, 08:30:14 AM »

Thanks for your input Brian I won't be buying any of it for now because I only have a 13 so I would be limited to one 2500w elcon anyway.
Also there are no charging stations anywhere around me where I like to ride.
I'm trying to figure out the limits for future use.
Cowboy's supercharger sounds great and I hope (and I think he will) get the bugs worked out.
Ideally I would want a smart charging station that pumps in all the juice each EV can handle based on it's voltage, battery capacity, chemistry ect.  I want everything at the station not on my bike or my car.
Maybe a RFID key fob that tells the station all the bikes info and it sets up the charge parameters from there.
Zero is too small a company for for someone like charge point to worry about lowering the voltage to work with our bikes but I don't know of any EV standard voltage yet so custom setups might work for the near term.

You can smack me on the back of the head for not getting it but if HE can use two 2500W elcons and the on board from one level 2 station J1772 plug, couldn't two stations with two plugs power two 5000w elcons and the on board if you had two J1772 inlets?
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2016, 09:13:45 AM »

I definitely replied up front that you can definitely stack the output from these PFC5000's the way the PFC2500 is used by Ben and others. Not disagreeing about the power.

I'd love for charging stations to be better, but we're not there yet. DC charging hasn't been confirmed yet for the Zero platform despite a good amount of work put into it.

FWIW the charging limit on your 2013 should be just in excess of 10kW, and the 11.3kW desired will likely cause the contactor to open after a bit. But the typical capabilities of a NEMA 14-50 plug will just meet that.

Also, you can get past the input limitations of your accessory charging port by making cable connections to the controller's battery side terminals. Definitely have a professional assemble and crimp the hardware, but you could run the anderson connector to an accessible location, put a rubber boot on it, and it'd be just as good as Zero's port.

For what it's worth, while I was using only a single PFC2500, I could get in 250 miles per day without too much inconvenience - just needed two hour gaps between trip legs. And I wrapped it in a towel and stuck it in a Givi side case to carry it (having the fins cut down made that work).
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