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Emtkopan

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Helmet laws
« on: September 01, 2016, 12:35:36 AM »

Someone just posed an interesting question. Many states with helmet laws states that if the vehicle is 49cc or less then a helmet is not required. Since Zeros are technically 0cc, what's the answer? I'm wearing one regardless just food for thought.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2016, 12:38:29 AM »

The answer is only idiots drive without.


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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 01:36:36 AM »

That actually IS a very interesting legal quandary.

But I second the opinion that "Anyone who refuses to wear a helmet doesn't have anything worth protecting anyway."
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2016, 01:38:41 AM »

Someone just posed an interesting question. Many states with helmet laws states that if the vehicle is 49cc or less then a helmet is not required. Since Zeros are technically 0cc, what's the answer? I'm wearing one regardless just food for thought.

In California, all electric bicycle riders have to wear a helmet. But since Zeros don't have pedals . . .

In a perfect world, Zeros would have pedals so I could get some exercise to and from work. But then, in a perfect world, I'd still be commuting by bicycle. Would the world be beyond perfect if I could be fit without exercise and wealthy without work?
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2016, 01:45:06 AM »

In some states, under 50cc is a motorized bicycle and it would depend on their bicycle helmet law. Funny, here in Denver, I get crap for not wearing a bicycle helmet, but most don't wear them on motorcycles. (I always do.) And it seems that on bicycles here, those with the most gear - helmet, clip ons, spandex - ride the most recklessly.

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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 02:56:45 AM »

I have to wonder how long this loophole will last until states start changing their wording. Maybe ICE below 49cc and all eletric or hybrid
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2016, 07:19:10 PM »

My insurance agent says that my 2013 S has 900 cc's.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2016, 09:17:16 PM »

My insurance company shows the engine size on my bill as 1cc, but they have increased the liability-only premium over the past 7 years that I have owned electric motorcycles from $5 a year (!) to $87 a year - which is higher than what they are charging me for my BMW R1200RS.   :o  I guess it is just a case of whatever the market will bear.  Or maybe the premiums are raised every time they see the latest news stories about Tesla S and Boeing 787 explosions.   ::)
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2016, 12:48:58 AM »

My insurance agent says that my 2013 S has 900 cc's.

You should get that lowered to the 250cc range...
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2016, 07:00:41 AM »

My insurance company shows the engine size on my bill as 1cc, but they have increased the liability-only premium over the past 7 years that I have owned electric motorcycles from $5 a year (!) to $87 a year - which is higher than what they are charging me for my BMW R1200RS.   :o  I guess it is just a case of whatever the market will bear.  Or maybe the premiums are raised every time they see the latest news stories about Tesla S and Boeing 787 explosions.   ::)

Have you tried shopping around for insurance?  I know it's not the same bike, but I'm paying $77 a year for comprehensive on my FXS.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2016, 08:48:02 PM »

My insurance company shows the engine size on my bill as 1cc, but they have increased the liability-only premium over the past 7 years that I have owned electric motorcycles from $5 a year (!) to $87 a year - which is higher than what they are charging me for my BMW R1200RS.   :o  I guess it is just a case of whatever the market will bear.  Or maybe the premiums are raised every time they see the latest news stories about Tesla S and Boeing 787 explosions.   ::)

Have you tried shopping around for insurance?  I know it's not the same bike, but I'm paying $77 a year for comprehensive on my FXS.

I doubt I could get insurance that cheap living near San Francisco, as I do.  I have Progressive insurance and are receiving just about every discount that they offer. I have received quotes from other companies and they have all been much more expensive. I might add that, listening to traffic reports, we appear to have an average of a motorcycle accident every 30 minutes from 5 am to 7 pm of every work day, in the SF Bay Area.  I am sure that all of those accidents do nothing to lower insurance premiums. 

12 years ago I checked with another insurance company about full coverage insurance for my Yamaha FZ1 and received a quote for $3,500 a year.  That was when I decided to "self-insure" my vehicles for everything but third-party liability insurance.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2016, 12:12:08 AM »

The answer is only idiots drive without.
From the ER nurses, those wearing helmets are motorcycle riders.  Those without are organ donors.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2016, 01:49:18 AM »

I always wear a full face too but I am wondering what a half shell would be like so you could leverage the silent nature to hear more. Have not gotten my DSR delivered yet.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2016, 02:13:27 AM »

I always wear a full face too but I am wondering what a half shell would be like so you could leverage the silent nature to hear more. Have not gotten my DSR delivered yet.

Based on my experience mountain biking, you'll hear rustling in the bushes that scare you until you confirm it was just a robin. I starting adding noise with a bear bell so animals would cross well in front of me - and not try to dart across my wheel.

A fair amount of head injuries are to the face, I was told, so full face or modular (if not racing) is the way to go. It'd be nice if they had ear holes like football helmets, though.
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Re: Helmet laws
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2016, 02:18:33 AM »

When I was getting insurance, they said there was some formula for converting kWh to cc for legal paperwork. No idea what it is though.
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