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zap mc

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2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« on: November 14, 2015, 07:17:53 PM »

trying to upgrade a 2012 Zero ZF9 charging to give quicker charging.

Does anyone know what the standard charge up time is for that model year to 100% and 80%, And what options are available to reduce charge time?

Does the J1772 adaptor actually reduce charge time over just plugging it into your wall at home?

There is a Y adaptor that allows 2 chargers to be used at once for the 2012 model part number 10-04423.

I have spare zero yellow Quiq chargers, ( model 912-4800 ) so could the correct 2012 charging algorithm be flashed into this charger so we could have 2 chargers or does the 2012 have a higher rated Quiq charger?

Or is Chademo charging available for 2012 model year and if so what is the cost and the charge advantage?
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Re: 2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2015, 10:51:22 PM »

The 2012 quick charger is 72 volts.

Your Quiq 912-4800 charger is 48 volts. My guess is you can't use this with a 2012 zero. Maybe the pre-2012s?

Not sure what voltage the pre-2012s charge at. But this link seems to indicate 58 volts.
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Re: 2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 09:36:38 AM »

Does anyone know what the standard charge up time is for that model year to 100% and 80%, And what options are available to reduce charge time?

Does the J1772 adaptor actually reduce charge time over just plugging it into your wall at home?

There is a Y adaptor that allows 2 chargers to be used at once for the 2012 model part number 10-04423.

I have spare zero yellow Quiq chargers, ( model 912-4800 ) so could the correct 2012 charging algorithm be flashed into this charger so we could have 2 chargers or does the 2012 have a higher rated Quiq charger?

Or is Chademo charging available for 2012 model year and if so what is the cost and the charge advantage?

The onboard charger for a 2012 Zero S or DS is 0.8kW, which takes about 8-9 hours for 100% charge.

The J1772 inlet offered by Zero simply allows you to access electricity at car charging stations.  The charge rate is the same since it uses the same 0.8kW onboard charger.

You can get Y-adapters from Zero Motorcycles or http://www.HollywoodElectrics.com.

Zero used to sell Quiq chargers for 2012 models, and they are plug-and-play.  The more recent faster chargers for Zeros are the wrong voltage (116V instead of 72V).

CHAdeMO is not an option for any Zero Motorcycle.  They offered it for a few months for 2013 bikes but discontinued it and never offered it for any other model year.  Nor do they plan to.  There are other threads on this topic that go into greater depth.

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Re: 2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 10:33:45 PM »

trying to upgrade a 2012 Zero ZF9 charging to give quicker charging.

Does anyone know what the standard charge up time is for that model year to 100% and 80%, And what options are available to reduce charge time?

Does the J1772 adaptor actually reduce charge time over just plugging it into your wall at home?

There is a Y adaptor that allows 2 chargers to be used at once for the 2012 model part number 10-04423.

I have spare zero yellow Quiq chargers, ( model 912-4800 ) so could the correct 2012 charging algorithm be flashed into this charger so we could have 2 chargers or does the 2012 have a higher rated Quiq charger?

Or is Chademo charging available for 2012 model year and if so what is the cost and the charge advantage?

OR you can build your own solution using server power supply ( 48V and 24V in serie) that you can find for very cheap on ebay and connect directly to the controller B+ and B- and charge to 75.0V  and about 1 time out of 10 you rebalance the cells using the normal onboard cahrger.

I built mine with high end Meanwell power supply 2 years ago( cost about 1500$ including the 30A  J1772 adapter :

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=3085.0

Full Charge take between 1h to 1h15 now ;)

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Re: 2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2015, 09:08:44 PM »

Hey Doc

I notice in your video you use the normal charge connection at the back of the battery. Is this for a specific reason? normally connect to the Quick charge port on the side because i have no on board charger I removed it to reduce weight and increase ground clearance. I currently can at 24 amp about 4 hr to full charge from empty on the side connection.

Thanks Jerry
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Re: 2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2015, 12:52:56 PM »

The stock Zero  connections( green connector) have max 30A fuses and my DIY quick charger is sending 90A to the battery  8)

I am using connections direct to the battery connections on the controller... but i need to power ON the zero for charging.. but i dont care about that.

Combined with the stock cahrger i'm charging at 7.6kW

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Re: 2012 ZF9 charging upgrades
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2015, 07:32:49 PM »

Thanks Doc good to know.

Jerry
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