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Justin's Elcon
« on: November 13, 2015, 02:28:25 PM »
A little video I took on Sunday at Streetbike:



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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 02:46:20 PM »
The Anderson connector on the 2013 (that bike) is harder to reach than 14 onward, when Zero responded by swapping the OBD-II port location with the Anderson location.

Anyway, with practice, I can now do this in well under a minute.
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 05:37:00 PM »
Useful to know, thanks Brian! [emoji4]
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 07:34:27 PM »
I love the "that's Americans for you" comment about the charge light indication...  8)
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 09:49:13 PM »
Does anyone know the difference between the Elcon rates and Zero's quick charger? It looked like your friend didn't trip a breaker plugging them in so that was good I only have the one outlet in my garage so I'd have to run a cord not the best set up for me.  And yes I think Zero said in their live cast that they would be making the IPM motors available for sale by themselves but not for a while though.  I really think they should just put that motor in all of their future bikes under the idea better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2015, 12:26:47 AM »
Two questions; what's the little wire he's fiddling around with around the first minute mark and shouldn't you be able to charge with the Elcon without the onboard?
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2015, 01:06:50 AM »
NEW2elec, the Elcon is a 2.5kW charger and the Zero chargers are 1.3kW. 
The charging rate is the same for both at 110V (1.3kW) so you don't blow a fuse.  Using 220V outlets makes a bit difference.



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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2015, 01:35:34 AM »
Quote from: Erasmo on November 14, 2015, 12:26:47 AM
Two questions; what's the little wire he's fiddling around with around the first minute mark and shouldn't you be able to charge with the Elcon without the onboard?

1) It's an electrical interlock signal back to the battery manager; goes through the Anderson connector aux positions. [EDIT: Burton's diagram illustrates where this goes in his diagram on grids 2J/3J]
2) You could, but you'd get less power into the battery (2.5kW vs ~3.9kW). An integrated input harness just splits power from a J17/NEMA/etc plug into both the onboard and offboard charger. [EDIT: I was wrong about this; clarified by Burton below. I am going to admit this must have been either a misinterpretation of behavior while using my Elcon harness or I stumbled into getting the contactor to close and then had disconnected it dynamically and it was working or I thought it was working. In short, you can't do this without modifications.]
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2015, 04:57:35 AM »
Thanks for clearing that up, since it is said in the clip that the Elcon won't work without the on-board.
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2015, 05:17:16 AM »
Justin did say that the Elcon won't work without the on-board charger powered on first. Something to do with the controller getting power from the on-board circuit.  Sorry to differ here Brian. Have we missed something?
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2015, 05:31:33 AM »
Bonkers on a 2013 bike you need a 100k Resistor between B+ and the white black stripe wire at 3J on my wire diagram (click link in signature to find this)

If there is residual voltage in the controller this will close the contractor and put it into charging mode. If there isn't residual voltage then power the bike on for a second, then turn it off, and switch the resistor circuit on and listen for the contractor. Be sure to make this a switching circuit as you don't want it on all the time.

For the 2014+ bikes you have to key the bike on, turn the resistor circuit on and start charging then turn the bike off.
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2015, 06:01:51 AM »
Sounds like Burton is the one with the knowledge! I've gotten it to work, will chalk it up to accidentally stumbling on how to initiate it.
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2015, 03:44:22 PM »
That is the joy of participating in this forum and a great demonstration of how we all get to learn something new. Thanks Brian & Burton. [emoji4]
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 03:46:09 PM »
Oh and Ben of course! [emoji4]
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Re: Justin's Elcon
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2015, 06:06:05 PM »
[emoji1]. Cheers!  Good to be s part of such a supportive community.


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