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Total Members Voted: 86

[Erasmo]

Waiting on how they handle three phases I also have saved up for a deposit.

[kingcharles]

Would this work on a Brammo Empulse?

[Erasmo]

So, any new updates? I don't want to be pushy but I'm dying of curiosity.

[benswing]

FYI - Looking at the dimensions on the emotowerks page the dimensions appear to be 12in. x 7in. x 8in. Weight: 25lb. 

http://emotorwerks.com/index.php/store-juicebox-ev-charging-stations/1657-mini-smartcharge-12000-a-12kw-universal-voltage-ev-charger-fully-assembled-tested/related_product-127

I'm also looking forward to news since I leave for a monthlong motorcycle trip on my SR in mid-june and will need every bit of charging power I can get!

[NEW2elec]

Hey Ben saw your remove the plastics video where you took off your elcons.  Now I see this post is there any way you could use both the elcons and the Digi?  I assume not but damn that would be some fast charging.  Lightning bolt into the Flux Capacitor for sure.

[benswing]

Hey Ben saw your remove the plastics video where you took off your elcons.  Now I see this post is there any way you could use both the elcons and the Digi?  I assume not but damn that would be some fast charging.  Lightning bolt into the Flux Capacitor for sure.

12+5+1.3 = 18.3kW of pure charging power!  That would be amazing!  Terry has gone that high, but I don't plan to go above 1C since that is the manufacturer's recommended rate. 

I'll post soon about my trip this summer, but suffice it to say it will be a long one.  My travel days will be longer than last summer when averaging 312 miles (500km) per day.  So my travel time will depend greatly on how effective the charger is.

Best case scenario: Supercharger works as promised and I only need to charge for 40-50 minutes on average (I don't usually ride until empty because charging stations aren't perfectly placed).

Middling scenario 1: Supercharger arrives, but can only deliver 6-7kW of charging.  If this is the case, I'll bring an Elcon with me (2 would be too bulky & heavy), so I can charge at about 8-9kW while at dual J1772 plugs.  This will be slower at RV Parks, but slightly faster at double J1772 plugs (1 for the supercharger and 1 for the Elcon/onboard charger).

Middling scenario 2: If the bike can't take more than 6.6kW, then I won't be able to charge much faster than last summer, but any increase will be helpful.

Worst case scenario: If everything falls through or the supercharger doesn't arrive in time, then I'll just take the trip using Elcons and will have to ride longer each day and arrive later at night or arrive the next day.  This is not a bad scenario, but it would be frustrating since I planned the trip assuming I would have a functioning supercharger by the time riding season began.

Electric Terry or Electric Cowboy, any insight into which of these scenarios I can expect this summer would be greatly appreciated!

[Electric Terry]

The later in June you leave Ben the higher chance you have of getting the supercharger in time for the trip.  In the testing Luke, Brandon and I did, we had 2 discoveries.  One of the fixes is in place, that is a capacitor across the IGBT driver chip to prevent voltage spikes from damaging the chip in unexpected high current disconnects, i.e. a 50 amp breaker blows while charging at peak current, or someone unplugs the 14-50 plug itself instead of the J-Plug adapter.  Another scenario I just discovered is if there is a ground fault the stations cut current abruptly and it can cause the chip to no longer function. 

Luke has had an updated unit with the capacitor fix for a couple weeks.  I am going up today to exchange my test unit for one with the capacitor fix.

However in a week or so, both Luke and I need to return to EMW to get a special zener diode added to the voltage regulator as an extra measure of safety.  The parts for this have been ordered and just haven't arrived at Electric Motor Werks yet. 

After that we will retest all the scenarios that all 3 of us discovered that would cause a malfunction to see if it can be duplicated.  If not, they should be good to go!  So it's looking like at least 2 more weeks, but perhaps not much longer after that.  You guys have no idea how many hours of testing has gone into this.  Probably 50 times more than I expected back in October when I was asked to help.  But luckily its almost there.

[Erasmo]

After that we will retest all the scenarios that all 3 of us discovered that would cause a malfunction to see if it can be duplicated.  If not, they should be good to go!  So it's looking like at least 2 more weeks, but perhaps not much longer after that.

Of course we don't mind a thoroughly tested product but the updates are always so interesting to read. Just something like ''We had a grounding problem and need to add a Zener somewhere'' every now and then makes the wait so much more bearable.

And on behalf of the E-bike owners in Europe, do you know if there's more to share on eventual 3 phase AC? If you decide to not follow through with it that's okay but please just let us know if that's the case.

[benswing]

The later in June you leave Ben the higher chance you have of getting the supercharger in time for the trip.  In the testing Luke, Brandon and I did, we had 2 discoveries...

Thanks for the update, that helps a lot.  And especially thanks for all the time you have been spending testing it!  That is a huge amount of time, and it is really a testament to your dedication to moving electric motorcycles into the future! 

The date I leave is set at Thursday, June 16th.  It will do me absolutely no good to receive it on that day or later because I'll already be on my way until August.  In fact, I need it ahead of that date to secure it and make sure everything is installed correctly on my bike.

Glad to hear you are making progress, but this is making me nervous.

[Doug S]

It will do me absolutely no good to receive it on that day or later because I'll already be on my way until August.

Ben speaks for himself there. The rest of us will take ours the very day they're available. No holding off until August because Ben said it was okay!

[benswing]

It will do me absolutely no good to receive it on that day or later because I'll already be on my way until August.

Ben speaks for himself there. The rest of us will take ours the very day they're available. No holding off until August because Ben said it was okay!

Ben didn't say that was okay.  I think you may have misinterpreted my post.

As you read in my response, it will be worthless to me if it arrives in August.  I will probably get my money back if it arrives later than June 10th.

[Doug S]

Sorry Ben, no insult or affront intended...it was supposed to be mildly humorous but also add my voice to the crowd that's getting antsy.

We want our superchargers!

[mrwilsn]

We want our superchargers!

No doubt! After I ordered mine I immediately started to think about summer 2016 road trips but held off on making any plans...even after Ben started a spin off post to start the planning.  This is why. http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5130.0

I feel like I am walking a tight rope...on the one hand I don't want a rushed product that ends up failing or doing damage to my bike (at the most inopportune time of course) so I'm trying to be patient and I have MOSTLY avoided the daily urge to send an email asking about the status.

On the other hand....WTF is my charger!

We are getting really close! Terry, myself, and like Liveforphysics physics all agree... We don't know how we ever rode a zero without a super charger. It's like once you have had one, riding without one just seems silly.

Just a little more testing and we should have a really solid product for you. We have now tested over 30 types of charger and many generations of those types as well. We have each found some crazy unique chargers that none of had ever seen before. It was like a treasure hunt competing to see who could find and charge at the most obscure chargers. Great fun, and good data!

Posts like this are simultaneously encouraging (they are working hard to put out a good product) and infuriating (Thanks for rubbing it in and telling me how much fun I could be having with my super charger    )

[Patrick Truchon]

Thanks for the update Terry.   I don't have a huge trip like Ben planned, but I do have a few weekend trips booked that I'll have to cancel if I don't get my super charger on time.

I also agree that if we have to wait, then regular updates really REALLY help.  It's hard to be left in the dark not knowing the progress you guys are making as well as the problems you're fixing.  And plus, you guys are doing really good and hard work and should be proud to publicize it.  If one of you could commit to an update every two or three days, that would go a long way.

Thanks!!

[Erasmo]

So going by another thread it looks like the Power Tank of a Zero is connected with a big anderson plug and the supercharger of course taps in to that if you don't have a Power Tank.

Now this might be a brainfart because I didn't look deeply in the charging ''flow'' with a Power Tank on the bike and I'm not sure if there's enough space beneath the stock plastic but would it be possible to create a kind of Y-adapter on that plug so you don't have to charge through the controller?