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Moidore

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Charge only from quick charger?
« on: March 30, 2014, 12:51:52 PM »

Hi folks, was wondering if the 2014 Zeros can charge purely from the quick chargers, or do they always need the onboard charger to be plugged in as well? Let's say you have two quick chargers, can you charge the bike only via plugging in the quick chargers but not the onboard charger?
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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 02:51:19 PM »

Yes you can charge purely from quick chargers. I was actually trying this yesterday with my SR. I am trying to get a generator set-up for charging my SR away from normal power. I hooked up my two quick chargers to a Yamaha EF2400iSHC generator. The generator ran well for an hour and then went into overload. This is my second Yamaha generator, bought a EF2000i and found out that it can not handle a 2000 watt load and now I can't get it to run the 1.3Kw internal charger. I know there is another thread about charging with gas powered generators and will post more there as soon as I get my generators fixed.
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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 03:46:35 PM »

Could the EF2000i handle just the onboard charger? A 2000W gas generator should be able to handle the 1300W pull from the onboard charger?
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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 06:14:23 PM »

If charging with just the quick chargers, there's no need to carry a generator.  I just posted in another thread that both can run off a single 20A outlet, and there is probably not a road in America you can ride and not find a 20A outlet somewhere to use within the range of the 2014 Zero S models.   Both quiq chargers will pull between 1500w and 1920 watts depending on the SOC of the bike since they are constant current chargers.  Instead of carrying 40 pounds of generator, why not 40 pounds more Quiq chargers?  Or get dual 2500 watt Elcons from Harlan at Hollywood Electrics and charge with 5000+ watts!  Charge most of the way in about an hour or so from any RV park in the country!  Every 25 miles along almost every major highway in the country as far as I've seen, and I've travelled almost every highway in the country on my Zero.  Get a J1772 and you can also use the 10,000+ public chargers at shopping centers, public parks and other places.  Just my preference perhaps. 

The generator will take many many hours to charge and doesn't sound fun at all.  Actually makes my ears hurt thinking about how much noise it's going to make and how slow it will charge.   Small generators are obnoxiously loud for the amount of work they do.  Sort of like a Chihuahua.  Would it not be better to charge faster while you might be eating at a restaurant or food stop and leave fully charged or almost full with no inconvenience or waiting?

I'm assuming all of you already have the power tank option installed?  Next on my list would be J1772 and elcons from Harlan at Hollywood electrics.  As Ben Rich.  He ordered that kit last year from Harlan and now travels all over the place on his stock looking 2012 Zero ZF9 and charges up everywhere in under 90 minutes!
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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 08:38:55 PM »

If J1772 plugs or RV park outlets are available, I definitely recommend getting set up with Elcon 2500 chargers from Harlan.  I fully recharge in 1.5 hours and have taken a 250 mile trip in one day (NYC to DC).  Attached is a photo of my current setup with 2 Elcon 2500W chargers on a Givi rack.  I made a mount out of sheet metal on my own. 

Are you going on back roads and trails?  If you will be on backroads near campgrounds you can find a place to plug in there (call first, to make sure). 

I completely agree that the plan to drag along a generator will be a bad experience all around.  If you intend to use it to recharge the bike overnight, you won't get much sleep!
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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 10:58:00 PM »

Moidore,

The EF2000I should be able to handle the internal charger. However mine doesn't.  I plugged it in at first and it ran fine. Then I decided to plug in both quick chargers since it is supposed to handle up to 2000 watts. It couldn't handle that much. When I plugged the internal charger back in and it wouldn't handle it and all I had was an overload indicator. I am taking everything to a Yamaha dealer tomorrow and see if they can get them fixed. Right now I would say to avoid Yamaha generators.

Whether or not to use a generator can certainly be debated. Yes the noise is one pitfall, however having easy access to the level of power you need is a clear benefit. This also depends if you are trailering your bike or not. How much time are you willing to spend searching for some place to plug in and can you handle the consequences when you can't? Also it is very easy with quick chargers to overload a circuit and blow fuses.

I want to be able to put my SR in the back of my truck and travel to great riding areas and not have to worry about where I am going to plug in at. I don't want to worry about blowing fuzes and pissing people off because now everyone is without power. If adequate power is available there is no question it makes sense to plug in. But I definitely want a back up option.

There is no question it can be done. Several here have proven it.

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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 01:32:57 AM »

I'm in Australia so there are barely any J1772 or Chademo plugs in the country. But our typical power point is 240V at 10A, so it can supply 2400W max and there are plenty of portable electric heaters that are 2000W, so I'd say it'll be safe to have two quick chargers that draw 2000W together when charging. The onboard charger and a quick charger together would be 2300W so that's a bit close but should be fine as well. Similar to Ultrarnr, having a petrol generator just provides options, ie. borrow a power point and charge the onboard charger plus a quick charger, and the run the second quick charger off the petrol generator, so you can get moving quicker.
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Re: Charge only from quick charger?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2014, 05:14:05 PM »

Moidore; great to hear about another Aussie! I'm trying to get this issue right too. Only have a vintage 2010ds but getting close to a new sr after test riding.
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