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GNU

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12V connector
« on: January 31, 2014, 09:40:22 AM »

Hi,
Does anyone know what type of connector the 12V connector behind the triple tree is?

I see that it's the same connector on the 2013 and 2014 but I have no idea what standard they used. It's not the common SAE connectors I've seen used on heated gear and trickle chargers.
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 09:46:47 PM »

I was unable to get the type of connector information from Zero except that is is an automotive type power connector made by Delphi. I would also like to know the part number or be able to acquire single connectors and terminals because I purchased their expander harness which plugs into the 12 volt connector near the triple clamp and allows multiple outlets for heated grips and an accessory outlet. I will likely just cut and splice into their wires since I will not be using it for heated grips but instead use it provide power for GPS, radar detector and a USB port for keeping the iTouch charged for the Zero App. The battery life when using the bluetooth connection and Zero App is not very long and needs external power to last a long ride.
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trikester

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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 11:21:25 PM »

When I was installing Zero's Powertrain harness in my trike electric conversion project I had to cut off some of those automotive connectors and replace them with Molex connectors (from a local electronics store) because I couldn't find mating connectors. If I had wanted to take the time and trouble to search the web I might have been able to find a supplier for the automotive connectors, but I din't try that.

When Zero sells any type of harness they should be supplying the required mating connectors as well.

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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 08:32:43 AM »

Anyone have a detailed picture I can do an in depth search.  I'm also curious as the USB will be powered from this harness.
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 09:21:35 AM »

Good luck searching. I did and extensive search and could not find anything that would match. The number on the connector housings did not relate to any part number. I will do the same as Trikester and use a common Molex connector spliced into the harness and then terminate each 12 volt wire pair into a couple of 12 volt outlets like BMW bikes use, plus a cigarette lighter outlet so a mobile 12 volt to USB charger can be used for charging USB devices.
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 10:59:33 AM »

I called Zero and they told me that it's a "Sumitomo" connector. Turns out there's a whole range of Sumitomo connectors out there so I'll take a picture and try to find a match.
Zero apparently sells a pigtail connector for it somewhere.

The good news (for the 2014 owners) is that there's a somewhat hidden SAE connector installed in parallel. That should be much easier to find a mate for.
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2014, 11:14:30 AM »

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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 09:57:28 AM »

I've installed a couple of "cigarette lighter" type 12V auxiliary power sockets. I found a good source and selection of weather proof versions at West Marine (many stores around the US and on the web). They are much less expensive than what Zero sells. The ones I used cost about $13 ea.

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GNU

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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 10:39:06 PM »

Here's a picture of the Sumitomo connector on my 2014 SR
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2014, 11:39:03 PM »

Well looks like i have my work to do.  I'm going to wait until my SR comes in and inspect the connector for markings.  I'm confident that I can find it just might take awhile.   I just hate cutting off a good connector.
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2014, 12:13:29 AM »

dc5dd,
There's a regular SAE connector hidden just above the odd looking one.
I called Zero and they told me that they are connected in parallel and I could just ignore the fancy plug.

Said and done. My 12V outlet and my phone charger is right now connected to the SAE connector (via a 3-way splitter)

I also hooked up a pair of Oxford heated grips but the fuse in them burns as soon as I turn on the ignition (I'm investigating this together with Oxford right now. Will post conclusions on that in a separate thread soon)

BTW, according to Zero (all this would have been great info in a manual ::)) the accessory outlet(s) can handle a total of 10Amps of load. So don't go crazy with heated gear (seat+grips+vest is too much for it).

I'm assuming it's a switched power outlet. I haven't checked how clean the output is (yet).
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2014, 12:52:46 AM »

@GNU for the grips drawing too much current or shorted somewhere?  Maybe at the split or in the grips.  I think Zero states in the manual that the fuse is a 10 Amp for "accessory port" in section 5.22.
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 01:11:01 AM »

dc5dd,
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the fuse is a 10 Amp for "accessory port" in section 5.22.
Cool, then they just need to add info about what connectors are connected to it ;)

if it was shorted at the splitter the grip fuse connected after the splitter wouldn't burn. Also, I've got a cell phone charger connected to the splitter that works great.
I suspect one of two reasons:
1. The grip controller is faulty
2. The Zero 12V outlet delivery a dirty switched output that is incompatible with the pulse modulated temperature controller.


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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2014, 01:17:17 AM »


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I suspect one of two reasons:
1. The grip controller is faulty
2. The Zero 12V outlet delivery a dirty switched output that is incompatible with the pulse modulated temperature controller.
Interesting I didn't know the grips was so involved :-\
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Re: 12V connector
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2014, 04:38:02 PM »

GNU, The output is clean, so clean that my oxford grips kept switching off because they didnt detect any noise to suggest the bike was running.  It's DC-DC so there is no reason why it wouldnt be very close to perfect DC.

Oxford have some pretty terrible QC, on their older model grips I went through 3 controllers because the first 2 didnt work and on the third the plastic delaminated over the buttons so it was unusable.  In the end I gave up and just had cold hands.  The newer model im using on my Zero has been OK so far but they have moved to proper independent buttons which should be better.
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