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Author Topic: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS  (Read 2487 times)

JefRo

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Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« on: September 13, 2013, 09:42:04 AM »

I will post here a report I made on the Big Dog Annual Rally this summer which I attend every year I can. I am more of a rider, not a writer, so pardon the brevity or grammar. I wrote it for those unfamiliar with EV's.

The Model I drove at the BIG DOG 2013 was the 2013 Zero DS with 11.4 KW battery. The Zero website is here.  http://www.zeromotorcycles.com.

This was my first major off-road event with the bike since I have only owned it since February of this year. Over the last few months I have been getting a feel for the capabilities and range on hiways, streets and dirt roads but never had ridden it in more demanding off-road excursions.

The BIG DOG 2013 held in the San Juan's of Southern Colorado was the perfect environment for this bike. The close proximity of small towns like Ridgeway, Lake City and Silverton to one of the most scenic areas in the world allow many loops to be made within the range of this bike.

The first major climb up "the Corkscrew" switchbacks was handled easier than previous years on other bikes such as my BMW 650 XChallenge, 800 GS, and KTM 950. Tight, high altitude switchbacks can challenge ICE (internal combustion engine) bikes due to major power deficits from low air pressure and lower engine speeds demanded by slower speeds. A high torque of 68 lbs-ft is available at most all engine speeds making climbs effortless. On electric power this section was transformed into a pleasurable event with no clutch work or gear changing.

At the top of the Corkscrew we all took in the beautiful views for a few minutes before the long descent into the valley below. I was able to recapture a lot of the electrical energy used during the previous ascent on the steep switchbacks down. All new Zero bikes have a free app which can be installed on your smart phone or other bluetooth device to customize your driving parameters. See this link: http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/app/help/ios/ . I was using an iTouch Gen 5 mounted on a RAM mount for this ride. I had set the parameters such that closing the throttle gave 75% regeneration and moderate "engine braking". Applying either the front or rear brake gave another 25% regeneration for full engine braking, not unlike closing the throttle in first gear on a conventional bike. This slowed the descents sufficiently that only rarely were the conventional brakes used.

Stopping on a steep, rocky climb prior to Hurricane pass to allow a large sightseeing Jeep pass coming down tested the traction starting from a standstill. Slowly feeding throttle brought the speed back up with little tire slippage. The bike was not equipped with knobbies, just dual sport 17" Kenda's on the rear with a decreased pressure of 25 psi. The ability to precisely modulate torque to the rear wheel without any fancy clutch work is a nice bonus with electric.

Continuing over Cinnamon Pass and on into Lake City was a pleasure due to relatively low ATV traffic and a quick pace. Arriving in Lake City with about 36% battery capacity and 60+ miles travelled, I drove to an RV campsite and plugged into an unused RV pedestal to charge a little during lunch with the rest of the group. After lunch at Poker Alice the rest of the group gassed up and continued back over the pass via the upper Alpine Loop. I stayed behind for another 45 minutes to load a few more electrons into the battery to ensure the trip back over the pass. The drive back was an absolute pleasure due to the peace and quiet during both the ascent and descent of Engineer Pass. The lower part of Engineer via Mineral Gulch was a little challenging and rough in places from heavy rains and Jeep traffic but the Zero handled it well all the way back to Hwy 550.

I arrived back to the motel in Ridgeway with 40% state of charge (SOC) on the battery having ridden over a total distance of 103 miles. My overall average of energy usage was right at 100 watts per mile which revealed that the entire trip may have been made on one charge but I did not want to test it. Surprisingly, a large percentage of energy was used during the 34 miles of hiway which reflects poorly on the aerodynamics of motorcycles.

Electric motorcycles have really come of age at this point in time and I have no regrets in the purchase of this bike. While the price can be considered to be high relative to typical ICE bikes, the riding pleasure, low maintenance and operating costs make it a worthwhile investment to me.

I find that I am always looking forward to riding this bike and while it is not a long distance tourer, it is certainly the bike I go to for a pleasurable daily ride or an Alpine Loop. Besides that, it really hauls ass when that throttle is turned!



A link of my posting to ADVrider Forum at the bottom of the page.  http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=869280&page=20

A new article in MotorcycleUSA.com is here for more mainstream exposure for Zero: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/284/16948/Motorcycle-Article/Dr--Frazier--Running-of-the-Big-Dogs-2013.aspx
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2013, 09:50:14 AM »

Nice post.

Love the pic of the Victory on Ophir Pass as well!
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JefRo

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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2013, 10:17:32 AM »

Nice post.

Love the pic of the Victory on Ophir Pass as well!

Yes, we thought John crazy for stating he was going to attempt Ophir Pass on his very long Victory with a bald rear tire. The east approach was relatively easy but the descent down the west side is steep and full of loose talus rocks that requires slow going. Having travelled the same route an hour earlier, I was impressed he had accomplished it after returning back to the hotel in Ridgeway.

You can take nearly any bike anywhere, but the difference is how much fun you have doing it. 
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 12:16:53 AM »

Awesome writeup Jeff! I enjoyed reading your ADV thread a little earlier this summer.

There are some similar adventure tours hosted in my area, and I'm tempted to take the DS. They are generally around 100 miles with a lunch stop in the middle (often with electricity). It looks like It's worth a shot!

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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 02:09:35 AM »

JefRo,

Great story and pictures. 

Is that a Moose Racing Pillon Bag on the tail?  It looks like it fits pretty well and am wondering how you like it.

Regards,
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 02:28:43 AM »

Nice writting, thanks a lot for sharing with us.
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 10:17:13 AM »





Yes, it is a Moose Pillion Bag I picked up at the local MC shop. It was the perfect fit for carrying the Delta Qui charger, extension cables, Best Rest tire inflater with small lithium battery for powering it, and a few tire changing tools. It can expand somewhat vertically but didn't need to. Four straps, two on each side, allow it to be cinched down securely without it sliding around too much on the rough trails. However, recently I have installed the the Givi rack mounts from the Zero accessory catalog and the top bars of the racks make very secure tie-points for the Moose Bag straps and are currently being used for that purpose. I would also like to point out that the 2500 watt Elcon charger I purchased from Hollywood Electric will exactly fit inside one of the Givi cases. Now it is possible to get a pretty substantial charge during a long lunch break if desired.

You may also have noticed that the seat has been modified and raised about 3 inches for adequate leg room for my longer legs.

The handlebars have also been raised about 4 inches with Rox Risers for a more "dual-sport" sitting posture and position when standing up on the pegs when needed. The stock Zero DS handlebars have good dual-sport width, rake and sweep but are just too low for serious off-roading. I have also installed longer handgrips as the stock grips are too short for larger hands.

I would also like to comment on the suspension. The forks and shock are too firm for serious off-road riding. I have minimized the compression damping on both forks and shock to almost minimum (fast response). Still the compliance and damping is too hard. Only with lower tire pressures front and rear in combination with minimal suspension compression can adequate suspension action be achieved. I lowered tire pressures to 20 and 25 psi in the front and rear respectively, which helped a lot and is typical for off-road conditions. The tight clearance between the rear shock and frame may preclude significant shock upgrades in the present incarnation. More refined suspension components would make this bike a pretty awesome and capable dual-sport package.


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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2013, 10:28:57 PM »

Great feedback Jefro.  If you don't mind me asking, how tall are you?

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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 04:23:58 AM »

Great feedback Jefro.  If you don't mind me asking, how tall are you?

Regards,
aaronzeromoto

I am 6'8" with 38 " inseam, hence the need for radical ergonomic mods on all bikes I own.

However, those "normal" proportioned people who test rode my modified Zero found it roomy and comfortable despite a long stretch of the legs to the ground.

I do find the ground clearance of the DS sufficient for most obstacles and on par with most large displacement dual-sports. It is comforting to know that any contact with the bottom of the DS will not compromise an oil filter, cooler, crankcase or other exposed critical part found on many ICE dual-sports. The DS lower section is quite robust in this regard.
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 12:48:50 AM »

How did you raise the seat? 

I'm considering getting a 2013 DS but I have long legs and I'm afraid of being cramped.
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 09:15:59 AM »

JefRo, Were all of the cables long enough for your handlebar height increase? Just looking at my FX it doesn't look like they would reach much higher then stock height. Wish I had thought to ask you when you were standing right next to my FX.

BTW - Had a great but very rough FX ride today on the Johns Canyon Rd. 32 miles total of badly eroded road by the heavy storms of late summer. Crossing many perpendicular erosion channels, it was tiresome trying to stand on the pegs with my stock low bars. Many times I just took the hits on my butt.

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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 12:23:47 PM »

The wiring was slack enough for raising the handlebars by 3 to 4 inches without encountering over-tight wires under full left or right  handlebar rotation, but only after snipping a couple of tie-wraps on the handlebars. Perhaps more wire slack could be achieved by removing some body plastic and snipping more tie-wraps but for raising the bars a small amount no more work is necessary. However, I did move the mirror stalks and throttle housings inward about 1/2 inch to accomodate longer handgrips and that gave more wire slack.
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 12:45:40 PM »

How did you raise the seat? 

I'm considering getting a 2013 DS but I have long legs and I'm afraid of being cramped.

The stock DS seat is probably ok for a 35" inseam or less, IMO. I take my MC seats to a local upholstery shop which modifies my MC seats to my own specifications by adding foam to the original seat foam and pan. Most cities would have a local shop which is the best option because you can go to the shop and try out the seat any number of times and they can make the necessary modifications before it is finished. These shops usually do a lot of classic car restoration or furniture re-upholstery jobs.
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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 08:18:26 PM »

Thanks for the info on the wiring JefRo. I've got to raise my FX bars. I have a sore back today from yesterday's ride, that I'm sure comes from raising off the seat so many times with the low bars being a hindrance. I'm not as tall as you but I'm six three and it's a long way to bend over while controlling the bike through the rough stuff. :(

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Re: Dual Sporting on a '13 DS
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2014, 08:58:36 AM »

I've been looking into those rox risers for my 13 Zero ds glad I found this thread. Mind me asking a stupid question. My dealer can't seem to tell me. What is the lower part of the bar size for ordering rox risers?
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