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Richard230

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Re: Progress
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2014, 07:56:22 AM »

Money?   ::)
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Re: Progress
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2014, 10:39:29 AM »

Oh, they are for real :) And they live up to the hype... Not sure about charge times, but it helps to have a liquid cooled charger. Everything else is as orgasmic as it sounds in reality.

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Re: Progress
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2014, 05:52:14 AM »

Yes, 10 KW charger.  My bad.  My MS has duals so 20 KW is stuck in my mind.

It's nice to hear from people that have ridden the bike.  Thanks for the input.

I'm officially putting my vote in for the Tesla SuperCharger network (if my vote means anything :) )
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Re: Progress
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2014, 05:54:14 AM »

We are into February so summer will soon be here :)

I wonder if Mission reads the calendar like Tesla does?  If they do, summer might actually be the very last day of September.  I hope not.  I'd like to see the first 100 ship out in June.
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Re: Progress
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2014, 06:26:42 AM »

Someone over at TeslaMotorsClub said Mission had moved away from the separate charger(s) and to using the inverter/motor to do the charging as well.  They also pointed out that it would have to be at least 20 KW to give the published charge times.  That is the size of a single Tesla Model S charger and is absolutely huge in the bike world.

WRT Mission being real, I sure hope for their investors they are as they have raised A LOT OF MONEY.

I'll play armchair pundit:

A big bold bet like that certainly has to be watched; I have to admit that without that detail, Mission seemed to be over-promising, but now I'm intrigued. The conceptual engineering elegance of using the power inverter for charging could be a huge advantage, or could be dangerously faulty.

It strikes me that maybe the EV company that succeeds is the one that learns the most, data-wise, from their prototypes and early production units. Zero makes the commuter motorcycle I actually need and are the closest to hitting volume numbers, but it's possible that Mission, after proving quality issues with these racing bikes can hit the big/touring market segment.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2014, 11:00:20 AM »

On 220V, mission claims the following charge times (assume 0 to 95%):

12 kWh 1.0h .. 11.4 kW, 52A
15 kWh 1.42h .. 10.0 kW, 46A
17 kWh 1.67h .. 9.7 kW, 44A

With maybe a bit of rounding, this is pretty consistent with a 10 kW charge rate.

DC charge rate is < 30 minutes for all battery sizes, meaning the highest capacity battery pack must be able to accept a charge rate > 35 kW.

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2014, 03:52:03 PM »

I just went back to their web site to see if they still had confusing contradictions in their charging info.

The Features/Battery/Recharge anywhere section still mentions 4.5kw built-in with an optional twin charger for 9kw.

The 3 models listed under Buy used to say something about the tech package including some sort of fast charging option, but that is gone now.  They now list 10kw included in all 3 models at no extra charge - which matches what I'd seen in the press, but which wasn't reflected on the web page the last time I looked.

They also now list the Tech Package as included in all 3 models, though I think the prices are adjusted to just remove the option to buy it without the tech package (it used to be $30k for the base model, right?  Now it's $32.5k).  Probably a smart move at their price points, I'm not sure anyone would have ordered it without the amazing tech package and now they don't have to develop any alternatives for the instrumentation which was likely affected by the features in the tech package (TBT navigation for instance).

Battery warranty is 6/60k - is that new?
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Re: Progress
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2014, 04:18:02 PM »

I have said for ages they need to be pursuing inverter charging on bikes.  The setup on the Renault Zoe with their chameleon charger is brilliant. Anything from 3KW (less with an adapter) up to 43KW straight from 3 phase AC.  Why bother installing an infrastructure of fast DC charging when you can do all the conversion onboard with even less weight than a standard charger.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2014, 07:49:17 PM »

flar: they used to include the federal motorcycle 10% credit (max of $2500) in the price. The credit expired on 12/31/2013. I asked them about it earlier, they said they expected the credit to be renewed but it looks like MM has done the right thing and removed the credit from their price listing.

Old price for the 12 kWh bike was $32.5k, with the 4.5 kW charger and without the tech package. So they're including more equipment now at the same price.

They announced the 6/60 warranty a couple months ago I think.
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Re: Progress
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 05:17:51 AM »

I have confirmed that the stand alone charger is gone.  They are using motor/inverter to charge.

I've ordered mine without the (awesome) tech package so I guess I am one of the odd ones.
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