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[lolachampcar]

Come'on guys.....  Anything new to report?  How's the production ramp going?  Is the order book filling (did my part )?

[Richard230]

Well, they are riding the production prototype around.  Here is a photo taken at Alice's Restaurant last month.  I heard that the "S" model will be on sale next year.  No doubt getting a new electric motorcycle approved by the California Air Resources Board and Environmental Protection Agency takes time.   

[oobflyer]

Sweet - 140 MPH, 17 kWh battery, 4.5 kW onboard charger. If money were no object...  ;-)

[lolachampcar]

Coming to the South East???

[oobflyer]

Is that a Tesla Roadster in the background?

[protomech]

porsche 911 cabriolet

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

What a great area to test ride motorcycles in. I've been around there with friends on my V-Strom, and on weekends the lot is full of motorcycles and exotic sports cars. Teslas are pretty common in the area, certainly.

I would be curious what kind of details are involved with that charger, though I suppose as a racing-oriented bike they can just set themselves up for performance and expect the buyer to adapt.

[ultrarnr]

Does anyone who has ordered a Mission R have any updated news on delivery dates? Thanks.

[lolachampcar]

I just had an hour long conversation with the CEO of MM and OMG things are rolling along.  If you've not talked with them in the past few months, give them a call and get an update.

As for delivery, I'm still hoping for this summer

[ivaniclixx]

porsche 911 cabriolet

Behind it, there's a Tesla Roadster :-)

[protomech]

You're right!

[lolachampcar]

I noticed an update on Mission's site which provides some hope that things are progressing.  Of particular interest are the following items-

Top Speed - 140+ mph
Weight
12 kWh   490 lbs
15 kWh   510 lbs
17 kWh   540 lbs

Charging Time    
                Direct DC           220V               110V
12 kWh   <30 minutes   1 hour          10 hours
15 kWh   <30 minutes   1 hour, 25 mins   12 hours
17 kWh   <30 minutes   1 hour, 40 mins   14 hours


First, there are 3 KWhr for 20lbs followed by 2 KWhr for 30 lbs.  Seems that might have this backwards.

Second, Direct DC charging in under 30 minutes for a 17KWHr battery.  This would indicate at least a 34 KWHr plus efficiency loss source.  It would also seem to imply the bike could actually be used to go somewhere.

[Richard230]

It will be interesting to see if the production bike lives up to that hype.  So far startup EV companies don't have a very good track record meeting their promised expectations.  Other than Brammo and Zero most seem to either fade away or manufacture such a small number of hand-built vehicles (Lightning and RedShift come to mind), that you are very unlikely to ever see one of the road. 

I am still waiting for the BMW e-scooter to show up.  If BMW can't market an electric scooter, who can?

And the Japanese, in spite of all of their engineering and manufacturing resources, established dealerships and distribution networks, continue to appear to be scared to death of the two-wheel EV market.   

[lolachampcar]

Why would any established ICE mfg build a quality BeV bike?  All it would do is cannibalize sales of ICE.  It will take a Mission or other newbe to make a serious run at it and start pulling volume from them before they will see the writing on the wall. 

Tesla has done this with the Model S and the others are still sitting in circles scratching their heads.  They have not figured out that the lights at the end of their tunnel are Model S headlights

Someone over at TeslaMotorsClub said Mission had moved away from the separate charger(s) and to using the inverter/motor to do the charging as well.  They also pointed out that it would have to be at least 20 KW to give the published charge times.  That is the size of a single Tesla Model S charger and is absolutely huge in the bike world.

WRT Mission being real, I sure hope for their investors they are as they have raised A LOT OF MONEY.

[protomech]

TwinChargers are still listed as an option on the website.

DC charging is 34+ kW, in order to charge 17 kWh in < 30 minutes. I assume this is CHAdeMO or J1772 DC Combo ..

I assume you mean 10 kW for the AC charger. Yeah, that's huge.. and quite a bit beefier than a typical 32A J1772 plug can supply.

As to why an established ICE manufacturer would build an EV bike? Well.. for the same reasons they would build any new type of bike, I suppose.