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Author Topic: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair  (Read 1921 times)

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Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« on: May 01, 2012, 12:06:24 AM »

I just got my bike (2012 ZF9) back from the shop - while they were updating the software to address the throttle-glitch problem they did some diagnostics and found that the "Main Bike Board" was bad.

When I rode the 62 miles home from the shop I found that my range had improved by about 25-30%!

Clearly this board was bad the day I got the bike - the most miles/bar that I've seen in the 2,000 miles that I ridden it was just over six. Now I'm seeing eight miles/bar at 45 MPH - a vast improvement.

I'll be watching and reporting the range I'm now getting, as I ride - today I rode the 22 miles to work and only burned through 4.5 bars at 70 MPH. That extrapolates to about 54 miles! Stay tuned....
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 12:58:58 AM »

Wow, that's a nice improvement.

I get about 7 miles/bar at 45 mph. Probably within margin of error, but 25-30% worse would be .. bad : /
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 01:11:22 AM »

Glad you got it fixed. Makes one wonder what functions the main bike board is responsible for (beyond driving the dashboard and maybe contactor operation).

On a related topic: has anyone found out when the glitch got fixed in production models? I took delivery about 3 weeks ago and was just wondering if I might see it in the future.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 01:55:34 AM »

This is quite interesting...the range seems to change a bit from one to another...the max. miles I got on my ZF9 is 10 miles/bar at 50mph...

I'm gald you got it fixed oobflyer  ;)
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 02:22:41 AM »

On a related topic: has anyone found out when the glitch got fixed in production models? I took delivery about 3 weeks ago and was just wondering if I might see it in the future.

Well, I took delivery a little over 2 weeks ago and had the glitch occur to me. I'd assume your bike is vulnerable so get it back to the dealer for an upgrade.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 03:50:39 AM »

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the max. miles I got on my ZF9 is 10 miles/bar at 50mph...

That's simply amazing Lipo - then you could potentially ride 110 miles at 50 MPH. Are you always riding downhill?   ;)

CliC - I asked the folks at the local dealership if the board had to do with the motor controller or the BMS... they had no idea.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 04:01:21 AM »

I seem to be getting about 7.5 miles every bar at an average speed of about 40 mph.  But then I go up and down hills a lot.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 02:19:15 AM »

You are right, a lot of times I do ride downhill  ;)
Today for example while riding the first bar dissapeared after 5 miles (uphill), but took me almost 19 to get rid of the 2nd one!! (downhill)...

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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 03:05:23 AM »

Using a KilloWat meter and Accufuel iPhone app it seems I'm getting rough 'fuel economy' of 7KWh/100km... based on the first 280km since new...  That's a mix of city and highway, but mostly in sport mode and relatively spirited riding.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 05:18:34 PM »

blake, nice way of looking at it !
using the "fuel" app to get kW consumption readings.

I just ride and charge :) mind you with a timer to charge at lowest off peak rates.

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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 06:42:42 PM »

I'm at 8.1 kWh / 100 km, based on 2600 km.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 11:01:10 PM »

I was at Sear's Point this last weekend and I got some inside "scoop" about the "main bike board". What I learned was that some of the ZF9's were accidentally shipped with a "main bike board" that was intended for a ZF6. So, when my gauge showed empty - I really had another 30% of energy available, but didn't know it.

If you are getting less than 5 or 6 miles per bar you might have the same problem. Now I'm getting over 5 miles per bar at 60 MPH, which extrapolates to at least 66 miles per charge, on the freeway. Not bad at all.

I even quit charging at work, since I still have 7 bars on the gauge, after riding 22 miles one way.
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2012, 12:03:56 AM »

That should also show up on the charging energy used. Eg recharge 5 bars, on a ZF9 you should expect to see energy around (7.9 kWh * 5 / 11) / 0.93 = 3.86 kWh. 5 bars for a ZF6 should show energy around (5.3 kWh * 5 / 11) / 0.93 = 2.59 kWh.

Did that match your observations before the mainboard repair oobflyer?
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 04:19:52 AM »

I just returned from a 71 mile ride through the Santa Cruz mountains and back up along the coast.  I used 8 bars during the ride.   :)
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Re: Real World Range - After Bad Main Bike Board Repair
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2012, 04:59:02 AM »

I just returned from a 71 mile ride through the Santa Cruz mountains and back up along the coast.  I used 8 bars during the ride.   :)
Very cool!  I've been wondering if I'd be able to do the same (SSF based) if I went with the Zero.  What was the route?  I'd love to be able to do:

280 -> 92 -> skyline -> 9 -> SCruz -> 1 -> [84 or Tunitas Creek or 92] -> skyline -> 92 -> 280 back to SSF

but that would require at least 1 significant recharge along the way (as in probably SCruz) with the mileage you just quoted, plus maybe a top off at Alice's coming and/or going just to be safe.  This route, when done the other way around (counter-clockwise) as a big circle from Alice's back to Alice's using the Tunitas Creek option used to be known among my circle of recreational riders as "the 100 mile classic".  Now, if there was a quick charging possibility at Alice's, I'd probably be confident that I could achieve this sometime in the next year or two.  I know you've found a single outlet there for topping off, but I'm guessing that one dual outlet can't be used to run a double charger (built-in plus one accessory quick charger)?
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