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What else can I do? I own more than 5 electric vehicles, and I know perfectly how batteries work and this one will be failing after the 5 years for sure...
P.D: I think I have the latest firmware, updated some months ago at the dealer.

You can learn how to check your battery capacity by yourself and see how it compares to the nominal value, and if it is decreasing or not. That is the way I do.

It is nice to see the forum up and running again.


The hydrogen highway is back in the news again: An long article written by Toss Woody, published by Bloomberg, titled "Navigating California's hydrogen highway with $200 and few stations" was in my newspaper recently.  The former long-time chief climate regulator used to drive a Toyota Mirai, but now drives a BEV Ford Mustang Mach E, which gets the same 300 mile range as her Mirai used to.

The article goes on to say: "Despite billions of dollars of investment, fuel cell cars in the U.S. are disappearing in the rearview mirror, overtaken by battery-electric models and stalled by hydrogen shortages and soaring fuel prices. Last year, drivers bought just 3,143 hydrogen cars in California - the only state that sells them - compared with 380,000 EVs."

It then goes on to say how last year Shell declined a $41 million state grant to build 50 stations in the state and that California scaled back its 200 station target to 130 stations by 2027. In February, Shell shuttered six of its seven retail hydrogen stations in the state.

A total of 66 H2 stations in California remain, but 12 have been offline for more than 30 days and others sporadically shut down due to supply shortages or equipment problems. Whereas there are currently 105,000 EV charging stations in the state (the article didn't mention how many of those are working).

Complaints about fuel prices are common. Filling up an H2 powered car can cost about $200 - the equivalent of paying $14.60 a gallon of gas.

So nothing new. Apparently the best use for hydrogen vehicles continues to be to power long-haul semi-tractor trucks.
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Looks exactly like the original. Have you replaced the upholstery with memory foam? And is it covered with real leather or leatherette/vinyl?

Sorry, I missed your question.

I like the original look so I kept the form. Rider position is a little different at the end/butt.
It's just another upholstery (not as soft as original) and high quality cover.
I don't know exactly what it is made of but it's not leather. Its waterresist, not slippery and feels good :-)

I just got an answer from Zero after reviewing my logs... NO BATTERY REPLACEMENT UNDER WARRANTY...

Sorry for the caps, but this is very dissapointing. They are always claiming the benefits of electric motorbikes and the savings you can get from recharging at home, but... if after 5 years you have to pay $8000k for a battery replacement... where are the savings??? It becomes the most expensive bike EVER...

They say the bike shows an estimated Battery Health of 85% which is over the guaranteed 80% and nothing else they will do.

What else can I do? I own more than 5 electric vehicles, and I know perfectly how batteries work and this one will be failing after the 5 years for sure...

P.D: I think I have the latest firmware, updated some months ago at the dealer.

The red lights at top of dash could also be your traction control kicking in.  If you hit a bump, it doesn't even have to be a big one, or a washboard type of road and it's lumpy, they'll turn on momentarily as you bump along, especially if it's colder out and the tires are more prone to jump / bounce off road instead of flex and absorb it. 

You could also have a buggy update install as well, which would really suck.  What mode / number is your traction control and ABS in just out of curiosity.

Aaron

There are a lot of things that could cause your regen to appear to be lost.
The Bikes main concern is keeping you safe and the wheels pointing down.

What was the temperature out?  What was the road condition, and weather conditions out.

How aggressive?  If you are doing 100 plus MPH sometimes regen will seem sluggish because of the sheer energy you are trying to put back in and if you are on a rough road, not necessarily banging your ass all over the place but a rougher surface and the tire starts studdering and skipping across it, the ABS will take your regen out to try to keep the wheel from what it sees as locking up.

I have had on cold days, my regen go to hell, and wondered WTF, and upon research figured because it was so cold out, the tires were cold too and skidding a bit along the shitty roads we have here.  They are old and the surface is very rough, not a lot of traction and all it takes is a little slip and it'll kick right in.  Warm tires that are squishy can grip that road, tires that are at 38 degrees, not so much.

when you finally slow down enough that there is not such a demand on your hard slippery tire, it grips and then the regen will kick back in because it feels the grip.

Ive  experimented with the regen a lot, wondering why sometimes when I hit it full it's really wanting to push me thru the windshield and other times it feels like it's barely on medium setting.  After a few weeks and a lot of notes,  yes, road surface plays a lot, and I came to the conclusion it's all about traction.

Cold and or crappy roads make a huge difference.

Aaron

I am back with more news.

red light only at top of dash (no regen) are completly random - I made trip week ago (1200km 2 days - regen off situation happened maybe twice) - I have break for few days and for example yesterday I got regen off while I am start riding (had to stop and turn off/turn on), after 10km I stopped for shopping, back in 10minutes and same situation - regen off - wtf

as I said SoC doesnt matter bcoz it was 60-70%, also there was no tire spinning or something like that

today 200km ride - will see

So I head out to the American Legion today at about 11 am because we had an event, and I had to cook.
so here we are at 930 PM and I finally am back home.
They have been working on the road leading up to my subdivision the past few weeks, getting ready to redo it, the dump trucks tore it all up.

Well, between the time I left and the time I came back (Mind you it's pitch dark out and you can't see shit this time of night)
The sorry sons of bitches used the machine to grind down the fucking pavement, obviously to repave it I guess in a few days or whatever, but LEFT the shit there, half an inch or more loose asphalt all over the road, with uneven gouges in it, grooves...the works.

I hit this loose gravel at about 45 mph.  I tell you, Eva deserves some sort of award for the dance she started doing!!  That damned bike started dancing all over the place and the dashboard lit up like a christmas tree, traction control, pretty much taking out anything resembling putting power to it.  It slid, it slithered, I got it under control about 30 both legs out, asshole so tight you couldn't pull a banjo string thru with a bulldozer at this point!  I am fairly positive that the traction control saved my ass tonight, at least from a very bad case of road rash.  The moment my bike started sliding it took over, I am sure if it was left to me, Id probably have been on the ground before I got power cut enough to not power slide.

Would have been nice for the shit heads to at least put a sign up, road under construction or something.  There's a HUGE difference between running a street sweeper and leaving an inch of loose gravel.

Anybody who says Traction control is just useless crap, and more stuff to break and does nothing.
I respectfully beg to differ.
The GD city owes me a new pair of underwear now.

Aaron

Another possibility is a change in the firmware way to estimate the SOC.
Here is some of my experience with my FXS 2016.

My old firmware was mainly calculating the SOC from the estimated capacity of the pack in Ah, and the Coulomb counting in Ah. That made the SOC monotonously decreasing, and accurate. Nice !
Indeed, all the logs with this firmware contained lines like
- "Switching to voltage SOC mode"
- "Switching to coulomb couning SOC mode" (there was a typo in the logs: it was written couning instead of counting)

And I am pretty sure also that the new firmware that has been installed is mainly calculating the SOC from the pack voltage, that is greatly oscillating depending on the way you use the bike.
And since this new firmware was installed, there is no line in the logs saying that the SOC mode is using Coulomb counting.

That is why the first thing is to answer if the change in SOC behaviour is correlated with a firmware change or not.
Of course, if the firmware has not been changed, the problem probably comes from the battery.

But it is still not certain. I have also experienced a fundamental change in my bike behavior due to the fact that the MBB had lost all its settings. The most visible consequence was a jump in the odometer (it increased by 3000 kms in one night), and completely wrong odometer count, wrong speeds (all that came from a lost transmission ratio), and also some less visible parameters were lost (pack capacity, VIN number,...). Of course, in that case, the SOC calculation became quite confused also...
Zero reprogrammed the bike and after that it worked fine.

The conclusion is that you should be attentive to anything else that could have changed in the bike (in my case: firmware, and MBB losing its settings).

Unless they have them on some sort of leash or like on a monorail or something, I can not see them letting a 'robo' anything loose on the streets.
Too many pedestrians to get run over if something glitches, OR they decide to do a whiplash wang and hop in front of it on purpose for some of those Bocu Tesla Buxxx.  Not to mention, in those kind of area's  that thing would be robbed and stripped down bare for crack money in probably about 30 seconds flat.

Aaron

 

Unless they have them on some sort of leash or like on a monorail or something, I can not see them letting a 'robo' anything loose on the streets.
Too many pedestrians to get run over if something glitches, OR they decide to do a whiplash wang and hop in front of it on purpose for some of those Bocu Tesla Buxxx.  Not to mention, in those kind of area's  that thing would be robbed and stripped down bare for crack money in probably about 30 seconds flat.

Aaron