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Makes And Models => Alta Motorcycles => Topic started by: EliteMotorsports on January 17, 2018, 11:26:30 PM
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Hey Everyone,
I received a new price sheet from Alta and wanted to give you a quick update. The Redshift has proven to be a very competitive model in 2017. But, the major factor holding many consumers back is the price. Alta has adopted a very aggressive pricing structure In an effort to put the Electric platform within reach of more riders....
So, without further ado:
2018 Alta MX $10,495 (reduced from $14,995)
2018 Alta EX $12,995 (reduced from $15,495)
2018 Alta SM $13,495 (reduced from $15,495)
All offroad models (EX and MX) will require a charger, you will two options for this:
Base (currently shipping with the Alta MX and EX) $499
Upgraded (will have some additional features) $799
All SM models will continue to feature onboard charging and do not require a separate charger purchase.
Alta has also given some incentives for 2017 models as well (these prices may vary depending on dealer) here is what we have available:
2017 Alta Redshift MX (Demo with 66 hours) $8,900 (includes charger)
2017 Alta Redshift MX (brand new) $9,900 (includes charger)
To give you an idea of how competitive these prices are, the 2018 KTM Freeride E-XC will likely retail for over $13K! The Alta Redshift, in almost every way, is a superior motorcycle for a lot less money!
I will do my best to keep you updated on any changes for 2018 as soon as they become available. In the meantime, please feel free to contact me if you have any questions about the Redshift lineup or would like to schedule a private demo.
Scott
Elite Motorsports
scott@elitektm.com
970-461-1022
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Scott,
Thanks much for the info! Looks like now's the time to buy... :)
Ray
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Do you want to edit the ex price to the same as the Alta website?
How about a diesel electric hybrid two wheel drive like the military?
Can the Mx one be delivered with an 18 inch wheel?
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Whenever I see a huge drop in prices for new electric motorcycles, I start thinking about Brammo and Victory and then wonder what comes next. ???
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Whenever I see a huge drop in prices for new electric motorcycles, I start thinking about Brammo and Victory and then wonder what comes next. ???
Having gone through the Brammo experience, yup this is exactly what I thought. Really rooting for Alta though, they seem to have a great product, hope there's enough of a market for it.
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Yeah.... What Richard and Roma said....
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Its pretty much a standard, the lower the price the more potential buyers. Maybe the price will come down enough to where I will be thinking to buy one and not just interested in the thing.
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Hmm, hope it works, as an owner of the SM that paid almost full price for the bike just months ago, I find it a little upsetting but if it helps the brand move forward, I'm all for it. When I was looking to sell my SM, I spoke with my dealer about doing a trade for the EX and he claimed to have 3 SM's on the floor and that he wouldn't be interesting in mine so sales might need a little jump start, hope it works for the brand, they have an exciting product and mine has been faultless.
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Thinking about purchasing the EX.
I'll be the first and only owner in the area.
Worried about repairs, spare parts and updating the bike's firmware.
My Zero do need these things from time to time. Any known issues or dealer's maintanance I should know about?
In addition, are all parts Alta specific? For example, foot pegs, sprockets and so on? Do they share these components with other brands?
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Thinking about purchasing the EX.
I'll be the first and only owner in the area.
Worried about repairs, spare parts and updating the bike's firmware.
My Zero do need these things from time to time. Any known issues or dealer's maintanance I should know about?
In addition, are all parts Alta specific? For example, foot pegs, sprockets and so on? Do they share these components with other brands?
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I would imagine that other than the frame and electric drivetrain, all remaining parts are commonly sourced. Alta is a small company, it would be pretty sill to design those parts in-house.
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Thinking about purchasing the EX.
I'll be the first and only owner in the area.
Worried about repairs, spare parts and updating the bike's firmware.
My Zero do need these things from time to time. Any known issues or dealer's maintanance I should know about?
In addition, are all parts Alta specific? For example, foot pegs, sprockets and so on? Do they share these components with other brands?
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I would imagine that other than the frame and electric drivetrain, all remaining parts are commonly sourced. Alta is a small company, it would be pretty sill to design those parts in-house.
I also thought the same about the Zero, but than found out that even the foot pegs are Zero specific and can not be found elsewhere..
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Thinking about purchasing the EX.
I'll be the first and only owner in the area.
Worried about repairs, spare parts and updating the bike's firmware.
My Zero do need these things from time to time. Any known issues or dealer's maintanance I should know about?
In addition, are all parts Alta specific? For example, foot pegs, sprockets and so on? Do they share these components with other brands?
Where are you located?
*Alta is watching*
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any word on expansion into canada
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Hey Judas.... Appears that you are in a position to shed some light ???? A good, honest state of the union would be valuable for Alta and potential customers.... I feel like I got hoodwinked by Polaris and will never buy from them again....
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Thinking about purchasing the EX.
I'll be the first and only owner in the area.
Worried about repairs, spare parts and updating the bike's firmware.
My Zero do need these things from time to time. Any known issues or dealer's maintanance I should know about?
In addition, are all parts Alta specific? For example, foot pegs, sprockets and so on? Do they share these components with other brands?
Where are you located?
Israel
*Alta is watching*
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any word on expansion into canada
Regulations in Canada are pretty close to the ones in EU, so it is likely we will enter Canada roughly at the same time as when the Redshifts will be euro-compliant.
2019 is a good target.
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Hey Judas.... Appears that you are in a position to shed some light ???? A good, honest state of the union would be valuable for Alta and potential customers.... I feel like I got hoodwinked by Polaris and will never buy from them again....
I can't share our financials, but I am still getting paid if that's what you are worried about. ;D
Joke aside, our goal has always been to make the bikes as inexpensive as we could. We now have enough dealers that we can plan our manufacturing well in advance (i.e. better manufacturing), we invested in our manufacturing capabilities significantly (i.e. better manufacturing again) and can achieve better pricing on the purchasing side thanks to our higher volume of production.
Another thing to take note of: the charger is sold separately because we now have 2 choices (2.7KW and 3.3KW).
I do not know what tomorrow is made of, but I can tell you I am confident enough that I left Tesla and bet my ability of putting food on the table for my wife and kids on it.
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Where are you located?
Israel
I should have recognized the handle ;)
For international support, it will likely be via a distributor but it is still too early to tell. We are barely gauging the interest outside the US to understand what kind of strategy we want to follow.
As for spare part cross-references: Yamaha pegs from 2015 should fit, sprockets are KTM style, wheels as well (although the front wheels will require different spacers for the disc and axle), brakes are Brembo and widely available. We use normal chains and tires.
Any other concern you would like me to address?
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Where are you located?
Israel
I should have recognized the handle ;)
For international support, it will likely be via a distributor but it is still too early to tell. We are barely gauging the interest outside the US to understand what kind of strategy we want to follow.
As for spare part cross-references: Yamaha pegs from 2015 should fit, sprockets are KTM style, wheels as well (although the front wheels will require different spacers for the disc and axle), brakes are Brembo and widely available. We use normal chains and tires.
Any other concern you would like me to address?
If I end up purchasing the Redshift, you'll be the one to blame [emoji6]
Your support is very valuable, appreciate it.
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Anyone heard of any updates on the 240v charging on the SM? As far as I know you can only charge the bike at 120, the site says 4hrs at 240 and 6hrs at 120, four hours would sure be nice compared to 6+.
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So after market pegs for a 2015 Yamaha YZ250 should fit correctly then?
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Judas of Alta.... Thank you for your thoughtful and candid reply to my inquiry.... Your perspective on Alta's stance in the EV motorcycle community certainly has real merit here.... I think that Alta has a very high quality and well thought out product line.... The significantly lower prices seemed almost too good to be true.... Sure wish you guys had a dealer in San Jose.... I'm holding a spot in my garage open for an SM....
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If I end up purchasing the Redshift, you'll be the one to blame [emoji6]
Your support is very valuable, appreciate it.
The support we receive from Alta on the dealer side is second to none! The company is always responsive questions and input and very responsive to customer needs.
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When Zero had a rebate type sale a few years ago they gave aux chargers to those who had paid full price.
Any change my man Ireek could get a little something for his good faith early jump in?
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All offroad models (EX and MX) will require a charger, you will two options for this:
Base (currently shipping with the Alta MX and EX) $499
Upgraded (will have some additional features) $799
All SM models will continue to feature onboard charging and do not require a separate charger purchase.
Would that charger work with the SM in addition to the on-board? If yes, what is the rating of the charger? I currently ride a '16 Zero FXS and do some track days here and there. I use the onboard and one accessory to keep it juiced between sessions but my onboard is only 650W and the accessory is only 1 kW. Also, has there been much testing with the SM in high performance applications in regards to heat retention? I've got my heat light to come on a few times but thankfully have not yet hit thermal cutoff.
These new prices are nuts! Especially for a bike that compared to my FXS, weighs 10 lbs less with 50 more ft lbs of torque! :o
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These new prices are nuts! Especially for a bike that compared to my FXS, weighs 10 lbs less with 50 more ft lbs of torque! :o
One needs to factor in the final transmission. The Alta. SM by their site is 15/50. Zero stuff looks bigger at the back, Rear wheel torque is most likely what matters especially when comparing one speed models.
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True, wonder what dyno numbers say about the two? I've got the chain kit on my FXS as well so I'm sure that has an effect.
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Lots of questions & comments over the weekend, let me try to answer them all.
- Odedmaz: you are very welcome
- Ireek: this would come via a firmware update (the onboard charger is already capable of 240V). For safety reasons, we HIGHLY recommend you have an electrician build you an adapter.
- Hoppy_250: yes they should. That being said, I recommend you be careful as usually aftermarket manufacturers have looser tolerances than OEMs, meaning the pegs might not fit. We have tested Warp 9, IMS and Raptor (Ti) with success.
- Ultratoad: thank you for the kind words. We are trying to add a dealer in your area. We are very careful about adding dealers as we want to make sure they are a good fit for our brand, and vice-versa. I hope we'll be able to make you happy soon.
- Elite: Thank you Scott! -Lewis.
- NEW2elec: we do realize the new prices might upset some earlier customers and we understand it. I would recommend an email to our customer service (info@altamotors.co) and we will address those concerns on an individual basis.
- StraydogEOMFD: Sadly the offboard charger will not work in combination with the onboard one. Our onboard charger is rated at 900W at 120V. We are indeed testing the SM in high performance situations, and it will hit thermal limiting in some cases. Send me a PM if you want more details on your particular case.
- Fran K: Let's put it this way: with lowered suspensions, the in-house record for 0-60mph is 3.2 seconds. That's way more torque off the line than I personally can handle ;D
- StraydogEOMFD: We've never dyno'd a Zero for comparison. Our work has been parity (or better) with current 250cc motocrossers. That being you are correct: chains has more losses than a belt (it stretches).
Phew. I feel like I need a beer already!
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Lots of questions & comments over the weekend, let me try to answer them all.
- Fran K: Let's put it this way: with lowered suspensions, the in-house record for 0-60mph is 3.2 seconds. That's way more torque off the line than I personally can handle ;D
Phew. I feel like I need a beer already!
My questions are in post 3 here. The safety of these things could be for another thread.
1)can the mx one be purchaced with an 18 inch wheel?
2) there is a discrepancy in the ex price in post 1 vs the Alta website, I did not check the sm version.
The pricing sure is aggressive compared to when I decided on getting the electric freeride. It was like %53. The Alta dealer in Plymoth Ma wanted full list plus at least $600 extra. Plus sales tax but that is kind of necessary to do the public lands in Ma.
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1)can the mx one be purchaced with an 18 inch wheel?
2) there is a discrepancy in the ex price in post 1 vs the Alta website, I did not check the sm version.
1 - No, sorry. The MX comes out of the manufacturing floor with a 19" rear wheel. We do not have flexibility on our manufacturing line just yet.
2 - That should be fixed now. Let me know if you still see the error.
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Hi Judas,
Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions from everyone , a lot of people are interested in these bikes and trying to find out more information. Can you shed some more light on why the SM isn’t marketed to use 240vac? You mentioned above that the on board charger is already equipped to use 240vac?
I guess my question is, if I went out tomorrow am and bought a Alta SM, what would it take to be able to charge off of 240vac and any idea on charge times? Although practical in some circumstances, there are times when waiting 6hrs to charge off 120vac just isn’t an option.
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Hi Judas,
Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions from everyone , a lot of people are interested in these bikes and trying to find out more information. Can you shed some more light on why the SM isn’t marketed to use 240vac? You mentioned above that the on board charger is already equipped to use 240vac?
I guess my question is, if I went out tomorrow am and bought a Alta SM, what would it take to be able to charge off of 240vac and any idea on charge times? Although practical in some circumstances, there are times when waiting 6hrs to charge off 120vac just isn’t an option.
Thank you, I have this bike and am still unsure how it would safely be done, I will be the first to tell you that I am new to the electric bike scene so all this is still a little intimidating, I know there was some mention of a firmware update, which I completely do no understand, and having a plug made by an electrician, I sort of understand the plug but would like to see something a little more concrete on exactly how it's done, to advertise it on their site and to only give vague replies on exactly how it's done concerns me a tad, maybe add a page in their online manual explaining it.
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Good morning,
The SM onboard charger has the hardware needed to operate at 240V, however it is not enabled yet. That's where the software update comes in: when released and installed on a SM, it would enable the bike to charge at 240V.
The benefits will be of the order of 20 to 30% improvement of charge time (down to 4h30-ish).
As for the plug, we will not explain how to put it together for safety reasons. We want to make sure our customers go through a professional to make sure they have a safe setup (both on the plug side and on the wall side as well).
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Thanks Judas,
Completely understand on wanting a professional to build the plug and install, I would want a professional to do the work regardless. I know it’s hard to predict the future, but is there any time frame on when this may be enabled? I’m not a buyer until it’s 240v capable so just curious if there was anything currently in the works.
Also, I hate to bombard you with questions, but you mentioned in another thread about a LHRB kit possibly coming from Brembo, any update on this? I’ve already been researching this so I was pleasantly surprised to see a possible kit coming.
Thank you again for taking the time to answer these questions, looking forward to becoming and Alta owner.
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I know it’s hard to predict the future, but is there any time frame on when this may be enabled? I’m not a buyer until it’s 240v capable so just curious if there was anything currently in the works.
As you mentioned, I can't tell when it will be released to the public (it requires testing and validation), but Engineering is currently working on that piece of firmware.
Also, I hate to bombard you with questions, but you mentioned in another thread about a LHRB kit possibly coming from Brembo, any update on this? I’ve already been researching this so I was pleasantly surprised to see a possible kit coming.
No worries about the questions. As for the LHB kit, the only piece missing is the install instructions. I am hoping it will be available for purchase (via dealers) within the next couple of weeks.
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Thanks Judas,
One last question, what is the actual front and rear tire size on the SM?
Thanks!
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My bike has 120/70-17 on the front and 150/60-17 on the rear.
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My bike has 120/70-17 on the front and 150/60-17 on the rear.
There you go.
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Speaking of Alta: http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/alta-manufacturer/alta-motors-to-produce-r-versions-of-redshift-mx-ex-and-sm.html
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The new Alta MXR is now showing on the Alta website.... Significantly more HP, torque and a weight loss !!!! More money, but how did they do that ???? Mostly mapping for the power increase I would suspect.... New juice in the battery may account for the weight savings.... Wonder how this good news will effect the run time ????