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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: SM on December 30, 2017, 03:18:18 AM
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We've been thinking of buying a pair of ENERGICAs for a while now. Anemic sales numbers concern me. My Italian is not so great and from what I'm reading in their financials less than a dozen motorcycles sold in the first-half of 2017. Is this possible! I was expecting something closer to 80, maybe 100. Can anyone confirm what their financials suggest and how Energica did July-Dec 2017?
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The bikes had been about $40K so that is a hard sell. The lack of large dealer network hurts as well. Mostly a Europe and CA option. At $17k like the one dealer has, if I lived on CA I think I'd pick that one up.
If your worried the company might go out of business, well that's tricky. They are a small arm of a bigger company so even though they aren't making money if the big boys believe they can make it work they may keep it going as a write off if nothing else.
I have one issue with the bike which is the type of battery it uses. As they state on their web page it has a 11.7kWh battery with 1200 cycles till 80%.
Doing some math of Zero's early claims they were saying 2500 cycles till 80%.
Both could be a bit "optimistic".
If you want the speed (150mph) and power in your ride than the EGO is still really your best and almost only option.
Good luck.
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The US dealer in California told me that 6 Egos were sold in the USA in 2017. I just purchase the 7th Ego from that dealer and it should be delivered in the next week or less. I'm not worried about the company, because the parent company has been a supplier to Formula One for many years as well as to the aerospace and 3D printing industry. Maybe I'm biased as I've been an Alfa Romeo owner since 1973 (5 total) and still have the 1983 GTV6 I bought new showing 469k (s)miles on the clock. You can tell I'm totally crazy as I live about 2,000 miles from the dealer, but Energica has given me an exception on my warranty, regardless of who works on the Ego. If only they'd provide my mechanic with a service manual. In any case, I'm confident the dealer's service manager would guide my mechanic if need be. I expect to be commuting about 1,000 miles a month on the Ego (~56 miles round trip), except in December and January when temps will be below 20 degrees F in which case the bike will only have 80% of the power available.
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I will be interested to hear how much range your Energica gets during normal travel speeds. The videos that I have seen so far used the bike in a sporting manner and the range seemed pretty short. My BMW dealer, who sells the Energica brand, offers test rides but only for about a 20 minute ride. The last time I visited the shop a couple of weeks ago, it looked like they had three fewer bikes on the showroom floor than they had a month earlier and they were in the process of lowering their prices by about $6,000 on their 2017 models.
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According to Energica I will have a range of 80 to 89 miles at 75 mph. I assume that is in Standard mode. Here's a photo of my bike as it about to be loaded up for shipment to Texas.
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According to Energica I will have a range of 80 to 89 miles at 75 mph. I assume that is in Standard mode. Here's a photo of my back as it about to be loaded up for shipment to Texas.
That fence and parking lot in the background looks a lot like the one at my Mountain View, CA, BMW/Vespa/Energica dealer, which coincidentally, I plan to visit in a couple of hours. ;)
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Yep! It's CalMoto. Tell Derek I said, "Ciao, baby!"
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According to Energica I will have a range of 80 to 89 miles at 75 mph. I assume that is in Standard mode. Here's a photo of my back as it about to be loaded up for shipment to Texas.
I doubt it.
The Energica Models use a 11.7 kWh – lithium polymer (http://www.energicamotor.com/energica-ego-electric-motorcycle/ (http://www.energicamotor.com/energica-ego-electric-motorcycle/)).
The new Zero SR 2018 uses a 14.4 kWh allowing 90 miles at 70 mph.
Although the drag of the EGO must be better than the drag of the SR, I cant imagine getting 80 miles at 75 mph with max. 11.7 kWh on the EGO.
But I did not test the EGO. Only guessing.
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According to Energica I will have a range of 80 to 89 miles at 75 mph. I assume that is in Standard mode. Here's a photo of my back as it about to be loaded up for shipment to Texas.
I doubt it.
The Energica Models use a 11.7 kWh – lithium polymer (http://www.energicamotor.com/energica-ego-electric-motorcycle/ (http://www.energicamotor.com/energica-ego-electric-motorcycle/)).
The new Zero SR 2018 uses a 14.4 kWh allowing 90 miles at 70 mph (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/ (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/)).
Although the drag of the EGO must be better than the drag of the SR, I cant imagine getting 80 miles at 75 mph with max. 11.7 kWh on the EGO.
But I did not test the EGO. Only guessing.
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That is what Energica told me. Again, I'm pretty sure it's not in sport mode, but standard mode, with a top speed of 80 mph. I'll report back next week. The bike will be here Tuesday morning. My round-trip commute is ~56 miles, so I'll have some head room, if it's less than 80 miles to a charge. There is a charging station near where I work!!
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I don't think you can compare Zero's 14.4 kWh battery to Energica's 11.7 kWh battery. Total capacity doesn't matter. What matters is how much of that total capacity do you have access to. Try riding your Zero with power tank all the way down. Multiply your mileage by the wh/mile. I have found on my Zero that you only have access to about 10.5 kWh. What that number is for Energica's battery remains to be seen but it is possible that the range of the Ego or Eva is a lot closer to a Zero than you may think. Time will tell. Vodoo gets his Ego next week and I am hoping to get my Eva the week after so we won't be waiting long to get details on range.
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I had a nice talk with the sales manager at Calmoto today. He is very enthusiastic about the brand and has sold several Energicas to customers both in Texas, as well as other locations in California. I must say the the bikes sure look well developed and you can't complain about the looks. They are trying to spruce up the Energica area of their showroom, which is currently a work in progress. Check out the attached photo of the Energica section of the showroom and also check out the new lower prices for the 2017 models. I have to tell you, it appears that you get a lot more for your money than you do with a Zero. Frankly, I don't think Energica is making any profit on these bikes and might even be loosing money on each sale when you consider the cost of shipping from Italy, the cost of development, engineering, designing and manufacturing all of the unique parts that are on that those bikes.
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Richard230:
Even though they are listed on the options as a N/C item, I think those bikes have the standard cast aluminum wheels, not the OZ wheels. It showed the same thing on my spec sheet, but it was obvious to me when I saw the photos of my bike as it was being loaded for transport, that it does not have the OZ wheels. Go to the web site and configure a bike with the OZ wheels to see the difference and let me know if I'm correct about this.
I pointed this out to my sells rep, but told him it made no diff to me.
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According to Energica I will have a range of 80 to 89 miles at 75 mph. I assume that is in Standard mode. Here's a photo of my back as it about to be loaded up for shipment to Texas.
I doubt it.
I can confirm those range calculations are correct because I personally did the testing :)
Our bikes have the ability to stream data via the CanBUS interface real time, with an data logger you can capture all that information. I did a number of 20 mile runs on an EGO and used that data to find average power consumption. The best efficiency I was able to obtain was 123 wh/mi the worst was 131 wh/mi with an average of ~128 wh/mi. With our 11.7kw pack that will get you 91 miles.
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Demoni, am I correct in assuming the range of 80-89 miles at 75 mph is in Standard mode? What is the range in Sport mode at that speed? I'm guessing around 45 miles.
The delivery of my new Ego is on target for tomorrow morning (02/06/2018), so by tomorrow evening I'll have some data to report after my commute.
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Demoni, am I correct in assuming the range of 80-89 miles at 75 mph is in Standard mode? What is the range in Sport mode at that speed? I'm guessing around 45 miles.
The selected drive profile does not actually affect the range that much at sustained speeds, but yes those range tests were done on standard.
Each of the 4 drive profiles provides quite a different experience. I normally leave my daily driver EGO in standard when in and around town. For the twisties or the freeway I keep it in Sport, just to maximize the power available to me. The regen on the high setting is very strong, some people do not like that much off throttle deceleration. With that said the regen is very proportional based on the throttle position.