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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: evtricity on April 05, 2017, 06:23:37 AM
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Update as of 5th October - after a delay in receipt of the custom charger cases, the final double chargers will be shipping from Tuesday 10th October. There are 6 new double chargers remaining for purchase at http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop) and these will be the final EVtricity chargers that will be offered in 2017. We will continue to provide support to all of our charger owners and truly appreciate the emails and pictures about how you've been able to enjoy longer trips on your Zeros. We've been warmly supported by almost everyone in the Zero community we've engaged with in our endeavour to provide lower cost fast charging and have shipped almost sixty 3.3-8.8kW chargers worldwide in just 5 months. A sincere thank you to all the EVtricity charger owners.
On a personal note I have been splitting my time between the EVtricity Zero chargers and a new electricity comparison and energy saving service for Australian households at https://wattever.com.au (https://wattever.com.au). I'll be devoting the majority of my working time to wattever.com.au over the next few months while continuing to provide support to EVtricity charger owners in 2017 and 2018. I'm also hoping to ride my SR a little more and enjoy spring and summer in Australia.
In terms of future charging solutions, we have some new Zero fast charging options - in addition to what we have provided in 2017 - that we will be evaluating over coming months. In 2018, we'll assess whether there is an opportunity to again provide fast charging options for Zero motorcycles.
Update as of 1st August - we have sold out of our single chargers and are not planning to make any more at this time. We have 8 double chargers that will be shipping in September. The double chargers provide up to 8kW DC charging, can be configured at lower power levels and also run at half power (i.e. 3-4kW) if you only have access to limited power.
Update as of 24th July 2017 - thank you to everyone who has purchased or shown interest in our chargers. We have now delivered close to 300kW of double and single chargers in the last two months across the USA, Europe and Australia. We're very pleased to have been able to offer Zero owners lower cost fast charging for those whose needs match the capabilities of our products.
Due to the lower demand for the single chargers and increase in cost of the rectifiers we use as the basis for these charging kits, we will only be offering the double chargers once the remaining single chargers are sold out (there are three left as of 24th July). The price of the double chargers will increase from AUD1690 to AUD1990. I've updated the thread title to recognise this as well as the Aussie dollar's increasing strength against the US dollar in recent weeks. All pricing will remain in AUD so please check the conversion for your currency. Pricing includes Express International delivery and tracking but does not include any local import duties or sales tax/VAT. We have secured supply of more rectifiers so that the next batch of double chargers will be available in September. Pre-orders are welcome as are questions to support@evtricity.com.au. We have also modified the charger power on our online shop and in this thread title to reflect the full capabilities of the chargers i.e. they are 4kW DC (4.4kW AC) and 8kW DC (8.8kW AC) for the single and double charger respectively. We are happy to configure lower current settings (and corresponding power output) if you need to be able to use the chargers on 15A or 16A circuits.
Update as at 9th June 2017 - worldwide production deliveries of our 6.6+kW and 3.3+kW charging kits are commencing Tuesday 13th June. We expect to send all pre-orders on that date and any orders received going forward will be configured and shipped within 3 business days where items are in stock. Product details and stock levels are shown on our site at http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop)
Update as at 11th May 2017 - we are now offering pre-ordering of 3.3+kW and 6.6+kw fast chargers on our web site at http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop). Detailed products specifications, configuration options and accessories are all available for your review - even the User Manual! Deliveries of final production units is to commence in June subject to testing in Europe and the USA underway in May.
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Running a quick poll to confirm what interest there is for compact, low cost fast chargers for your Zero
Over recent months we've been developing and testing chargers with Zero riders around Sydney, Australia using high efficiency (96%+) data centre rectifiers. The chargers utilise a pair of rectifiers and deliver up to 4kW DC and are packaged in a rugged, aluminium case.
Here are some basic specs on the chargers:
Single charger:
Standard AC input socket = IEC C20
Standard AC current = 15A
AC input voltage = 85-300V
Standard DC output = 3.3kW - 15A @ 220v
Maximum DC output = 4kW (on request)
Dimensions = 29cm x 18cm x 5cm
Weight = 3kg
Charging time from empty with onboard (useable 10kWh capacity) = ~ 2 hours
Single DC fast charger cable included
BYO IEC C19 15A+ cable for your country
Double charger:
Two chargers in one case with separate AC input and DC output
Standard AC input socket = 2 x IEC C20
Standard AC current = 2 x 15A
AC input voltage = 85-300V
Standard DC output = 6.6kW - 30A @ 220v
Maximum DC output = 8kW (on request)
Dimensions = 29cm x 18cm x 10cm
Weight = 6kg
Charging time from empty with onboard (useable 10kWh capacity) = <1.5 hours
Double DC fast charger cable included
BYO 2 x IEC C19 15A+ cable for your country
Optional J1772 32A adaptor can be made supplied to allow you to use these chargers at J1772 stations. Cost = <USD200.
For these chargers, the default power will be set to 15A AC per single charger - that's 3300W @ 220v or 3600W @ 240v. This allows them to be used on common 15A sockets and paired up at 30A charging stations (double charger or two single chargers). Their maximum AC power draw can be pushed to ~4400 watts for a single charger if desired. The double charger is double these outputs.
Important Note: these chargers are fan cooled and are not water or dust/dirt proof. They need to be protected from the elements whether on the bike (weather proof panniers, top box or backpack) or off (undercover when wet and away from mud, sand etc).
If you want a charger that you can leave exposed to the elements this is not the charger for you.
Thanks for reading - please fill out the poll above and if you have any questions please post them here.
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Happy with the digiNow SuperCharger v2 (Elcon 3.3kW)... though at a much higher price than you are talking about. My target is three 3.3kW (9.9kW total) modules under a chargetank cowl. Different use case for me, I want to ride in mountain weather and unimproved desert roads. I'm sure the evtricity charging will appeal to the casual rider.
Any way you do it, get interested in quick charging! There's no going back to being limited by slow charging once you have industry-standard quick charging capability.
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How will these handle bumps? Also no fans, does that mean they have to be used off-bike?
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In terms of vibration, we have tested them being placed in pannier bags and top boxes for over 2,000km without issue.
The rectifiers that the chargers use aren't specifically designed to be used in high vibration environments so we are considering adding some vibration protection to them before offering them to the public.
Each single charger has two fans that run front to back and they do have an internal heatsink. We would suggest using them off-bike but they could be mounted inside a pannier or top box but there needs to be space at the front and back of the charger to allow sufficient air flow in and out.
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Will these chargers hurt any warranty claims for Zero bikes?
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According to Todd Andersen who posted on facebook as VP of Sales & Marketing from Zero - "Zero's warranty excludes any damage caused by the use of non-Zero accessories, including chargers".
So, Zero don't warrant any non-Zero chargers including the one that I'm asking for expressions of interest for.
Do you lose warranty on the whole bike if you use a non-Zero charger - interpreting Todd's response above I would say "No".
The proposed chargers are designed to be high power, low cost, compact and lightweight. I would love Zero to offer such a charger and we've been asking them for years for it with little progress.
So, we're just rolling our sleeves up and getting on with it by assembling chargers using high quality commercial components and offering them to Zero owners who want to ride their bikes more. Buyers of this charger need to assess the information we provide about the chargers before they purchase and decide whether there is any risk of damaging the bike. I know that both our chargers and the bike have a number of in-built mechanisms to prevent any damage, but again the buyer needs to make that assessment for themselves.
If we do choose to offer these chargers in future we will reveal more information about the chargers and the commercial UL, EN and IEC listed components that they use.
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YES!
I would buy this 700USD compact 3.3kW, non-weather proof charger as soon as possible!!
This is a perfect compromise between the useless 1kW zero charger and the too expensive 4.6kW diginow charger (even given its non-weather proof aspect)
And as i'm not an electric skilled person, I'm waiting for a ready to use solution.
Do you provide optional mennekes adaptor? (as these are much more versatile in my area => PARIS)
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I think that we can take a reasonable guess that these are based on two Eltek Flatpack2 rectifiers - as has been posted about here (http://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6405.0).
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I think given the number of people developing charging solutions for the Zero's shows that probably the #1 issue for our bikes is the rather weak range of official charging options.
The 1.3kw onboard charger is pretty much a joke charger in the modern EV age, and among the weakest chargers available on an EV motorbike.
The offboard chargers are both weak, and bulky
While the charge tank at 2.5kW is barely adequate, and seems to waste space, given people are sticking 10kW chargers in that same space.
I'm really worried that Zero is not taking charging seriously enough, and we really need to see official high power AC, and or DC charging support sooner rather than later. Hell look at Energica, 3.3kw AC charging and around 20kW DC charging is a standard feature on both the Eva and Ego.
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Yes, I'd be interested if I wasn't building my own charging solution already. Just the bare charger I'm building costs 700 Euro's so the price is comparable.
But, as you might have guessed by the currency I'm using, my guess is you are situated in the USA. Importing these would cost about 19%, VAT comes in at 21% so for us European users this might be a bit more expensive...
But I do welcome the initiative, a sub-$1000 4kW charger sounds great!
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The 1.3kw onboard charger is pretty much a joke charger in the modern EV age, and among the weakest chargers available on an EV motorbike.
650W charger on the FX and FXS :(
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650kW charger on the FX and FXS :(
Ouch!! That's about 4 times more powerfull than the best Tesla supercharger! 8)
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Charges in 32.4 seconds, it's really great for range anxiety.
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650kW charger on the FX and FXS :(
Ouch!! That's about 4 times more powerfull than the best Tesla supercharger! 8)
For the sarcasm-impaired home gamers, that should've read "650W" not kW.
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650kW charger on the FX and FXS :(
Ouch!! That's about 4 times more powerfull than the best Tesla supercharger! 8)
For the sarcasm-impaired home gamers, that should've read "650W" not kW.
Munch, munch, eating my lunch: lasagna and a salad. Either 480 cal or 480 Cal.
One makes you larger, and one makes you small ;)
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I think that we can take a reasonable guess that these are based on two Eltek Flatpack2 rectifiers - as has been posted about here (http://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6405.0).
The chargers are not based on Eltek Flatpack 2 rectifiers. The chgargers utilise smaller (shorter and narrower) and lighter (800g less per rectifier) with the same maximum output of 2000W per rectifier (max 4kW DC when paired in our single charger) and 96+% efficiency.
I have built chargers with the Eltek Flatpack 2 2000 HE 48V rectifiers but the rectifiers used in our chargers are significantly better. Further advantages include that the Elteks derate at temperatures above 45C versus 65C for these rectifiers. These rectifiers can be permanently AC input controlled to suit your available power, that can't be done with the Elteks.
Lastly, when paired in our charger they provide 116v - i.e. 100% charge on a Zero. The Elteks only get you to 115.2v max - about 95%.
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YES!
I would buy this 700USD compact 3.3kW, non-weather proof charger as soon as possible!!
This is a perfect compromise between the useless 1kW zero charger and the too expensive 4.6kW diginow charger (even given its non-weather proof aspect)
And as i'm not an electric skilled person, I'm waiting for a ready to use solution.
Do you provide optional mennekes adaptor? (as these are much more versatile in my area => PARIS)
Glad you're excited. We are too! Fast charging opens up new ways to enjoy your Zero!
Yes, we could provide a Mennekes adaptor
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Yes, I'd be interested if I wasn't building my own charging solution already. Just the bare charger I'm building costs 700 Euro's so the price is comparable.
But, as you might have guessed by the currency I'm using, my guess is you are situated in the USA. Importing these would cost about 19%, VAT comes in at 21% so for us European users this might be a bit more expensive...
But I do welcome the initiative, a sub-$1000 4kW charger sounds great!
Congrats on building your own - by the price I'm guessing you're using 2 of the Eltek Flatpack S rectifiers. Very compact rectifiers but not as feature rich as the rectifiers we are using with respect to permanent input current control, higher max voltage, higher de-rating temp and CAN isolation.
We're based in Australia - the proposed price of USD700 includes delivery anywhere in the world.
The price will be the equivalent in Euro - so that would be EU650. I'm not familiar with import duties for different countries. In Australia we have no import duty or VAT for items under AUD1000 = EU700.
If you want to get a second charger to go with the one you're building happy to help!
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Great initiative. That is what is needed.
I would be highly interested in that, but I just ordered two flatpack S. In case that group buy would not materialize, I will come back and order from you.
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Would this work with the FX? Getting charge time under 2 hours at a low price could make it good option for weekend warriors who ride off-road and want to charge over lunch using a generator?
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Subscribing.
Def interested in a quick charging solution, but need to learn more about it all first...ideally something that can fit into the "tank" space rather than need to be carried in a top or side case.
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Would this work with the FX? Getting charge time under 2 hours at a low price could make it good option for weekend warriors who ride off-road and want to charge over lunch using a generator?
What he said plus what is the output on 120V? Would be awesome to have the ability to hit the track all day (or close to) like an ICE bike.
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Would this work with the FX? Getting charge time under 2 hours at a low price could make it good option for weekend warriors who ride off-road and want to charge over lunch using a generator?
I'm not as familiar with the FX as the S/SR/DS which is what we have been testing on. Zero supports the use of 4 Delta-Qs (with two batteries) which is 4kW so I see no issue using our single charger with an FX/FXS. I would expect that the FX/FXS probably have a combined charging fuse limit of 50A DC as their two battery setup is half the 4 battery setup that sits in the S/SR/DS monolith battery (which has a 100A DC limit). Our single charger has a max current of under 42A DC and with a 650W charger you'd be around 6A for a combined <48A if there is a 50 fuse on the FX then you'd still be under that with the onboard and our fast charger at max power. We can set the chargers to lower power, if desired, no problem.
Someone who knows the charge limits of the FX feel free to chime in.
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Would this work with the FX? Getting charge time under 2 hours at a low price could make it good option for weekend warriors who ride off-road and want to charge over lunch using a generator?
What he said plus what is the output on 120V? Would be awesome to have the ability to hit the track all day (or close to) like an ICE bike.
The maximum power from a 120v source (assuming you were to get our single charger with dual AC input sockets (IEC C14) and plug them into two 120V sockets with sufficient capacity on the one circuit/s (>24A AC) or two separate circuits would be:
- 2 x 120v x 12A = 2880W AC @ 95% efficiency (full power efficiency) = 2736W DC
So our single charger would push 2.7kW DC into an FX charging off two 120v sockets.
That would take ~2 hour to charge from empty, down to ~1.7 hours with the onboard running as well. Less time again, if you don't ride it till it stops!
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Subscribing.
Def interested in a quick charging solution, but need to learn more about it all first...ideally something that can fit into the "tank" space rather than need to be carried in a top or side case.
Yes, this is the holy grail of fast charging - fitting it all under the tank area and charging at 7-8kW plus your onboard for ~9kW at a reasonable price. Our single charger does fit under the tank and the double charger will likely just fit as well, but requires a power tank bracket to be removed to give you a flat area to work in. I've added two photos to show it's physically possible and to get a better feel for the charger dimensions,
but ...
Given our chargers are not waterproof or dustproof and neither is the tank area, we won't be warrantying the product if the charger has been fitted to the bike itself. It must be carried on the bike in waterproof and dustproof luggage. We'd love to offer a waterproof/dustproof charger but we had to compromise somewhere in order to keep the price down. The chargers are compact and lightweight so you can carry them in a backpack or tank bag without having to go the expense of panniers, top boxes and associated racks.
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how much for a fellow aussie to get in on this?
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Good question aikirob.
Same price globally. In AUD approx $930. While the freight costs are lower, I need to charge GST for any items sold in Australia which adds an AUD90 cost which overseas buyers don't get charged.
In fact it's cheaper to sell a unit overseas than locally!
Just note that this is only an expression of interest - prices and specs are indicative and not definite. We have more work to do to be able to sell these chargers.
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Does your charger need the onboard charger to run for the contactor?
If so, charging at a domestic socket might be difficult since these are limited to 3.3kW
That's why I would be intersted in mennekes adaptor
These rectifiers can be permanently AC input controlled to suit your available power
Does that means I would be able to adjust the power it draws if I 'm aware that the circuit I try to use can't provide enough power?
If so, what would be the adjustment process? (I guess something like turning a screw somewhere...)
when paired in our charger they provide 116v - i.e. 100% charge on a Zero. The Elteks only get you to 115.2v max - about 95%.
I own a 2014 SR, is it concerned by these numbers or are they different?
I also read many time that most people doing DIY chargers kept the last % of charge for the OEM charger (for cell balancing I guess). Have you get any troubles when charging up to 100% with your charger? Would it be possible to keep these last % ?
Does your charger automatically stop when reaching its top % of charge or do I have to stop it "by hand" ? (in other words can I let the charger work alone and take a 2 hour brunch :P without fear)
I'm not familiar with import duties for different countries
Me neither
I don't even know how this works (should the duties be paid in advance when expeding the paquet from Australia? or when receiving here in France? who should know how much it cost? ...)
But I really whish you charger to be mine in a few time!
Do you have expected date for sale?
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Great questions, thanks vaiarii - see my answers below in italics.
Does your charger need the onboard charger to run for the contactor?
Answer - no it doesn't require the onboard charger to run to close the contactor
If so, charging at a domestic socket might be difficult since these are limited to 3.3kW
That's why I would be interested in mennekes adaptor
We may offer a Mennekes adaptor in addition to the J1772 adaptor if there is sufficient demand. If there are other vendors who supply Mennekes to 2 x IEC C19 splitter then that would likely work with our chargers as long as the Mennekes stations provided sufficient current to each IEC19 plug.
These rectifiers can be permanently AC input controlled to suit your available power
Does that means I would be able to adjust the power it draws if I 'm aware that the circuit I try to use can't provide enough power?
If so, what would be the adjustment process? (I guess something like turning a screw somewhere...)
We programme the AC input current limit of the charger via CAN commands. We set the chargers to 15A default for each AC input, but it can be as high as 19A for maximum power. At this time, the charger does not have a physical control (button, lever, knob, screen) that allows you to adjust the output current up or down from the setting we make when we ship the charger. Connectors to the CAN terminals are included on our prototype chargers, however it is unlikely that we will give users the commands for them to make changes themselves because of the risk of an unfamiliar person making a mistake and rendering the unit inoperable.
when paired in our charger they provide 116v - i.e. 100% charge on a Zero. The Elteks only get you to 115.2v max - about 95%.
I own a 2014 SR, is it concerned by these numbers or are they different?
I also own a 2014 SR and have tested these chargers extensively on my own bike. All Zero motorcycles from 2013 upward have the same max pack voltage.
I also read many time that most people doing DIY chargers kept the last % of charge for the OEM charger (for cell balancing I guess). Have you get any troubles when charging up to 100% with your charger? Would it be possible to keep these last % ?
As a CC CV charger, the charger starts reducing current around 114-115V as it nears it's maximum voltage. The last 1v from 115-116 takes a number of minutes to push into the battery as the current drops. So, in effect, the chargers fast charge to around 114-115V and then ramp down as they push in the last ~1-2V. We are able to turn the maximum voltage lower if you wish eg. to 114-115v. With that setup you will have to use another charger (eg. onboard) to get to 100% charge as the chargers will no longer be able to do that.
Does your charger automatically stop when reaching its top % of charge or do I have to stop it "by hand" ? (in other words can I let the charger work alone and take a 2 hour brunch :P without fear)
Yes, the chargers stop pushing current when they reach 100% charge ~116V, so you can leave them unmonitored. However the chargers don't power off entirely - the fans run whenever they are connected to a live AC socket. When you have finished fast charging, you should turn them off in a reasonable timeframe - i.e. minutes rather than hours. They are not like a slow-charger that you would leave on all night.
I'm not familiar with import duties for different countries
Me neither
I don't even know how this works (should the duties be paid in advance when expeding the paquet from Australia? or when receiving here in France? who should know how much it cost? ...)
But I really whish you charger to be mine in a few time!
We hope to get enough interest to sell you one. However, all import duties, VAT etc will be the responsibility of the buyer. Please research them before buying.
Do you have expected date for sale?
No, we don't have an expected sale date. We're asking for expressions of interest because there is a significant amount of cost, effort and risk to package and sell chargers such as these as can be seen with others on this forum who have being doing it over the last 1-2 years with mixed success.
If there isn't sufficient interest for the chargers we are offering, we won't sell them. The chargers will suit a certain type of Zero owner but not all so we need to understand how many people that may be - 10, 50, 100?. As these are a low cost charger, there is little to no profit in these chargers - we are doing this because we want more Zero riders enjoying their bikes. Fast charging rocks but the other charger options suitable for Zeros are either too expensive, too heavy, or too large for many Zero owners so we wanted to bring something to market that might work for some of those who haven't taken the plunge into fast charging or want something smaller, lighter and more powerful than what they already have.
We're not an EV charger manufacturer with dozens of employees and a huge R&D budget, however, we have in-depth understanding of Zero motorcycles from over 2 years of racing, performance tuning and fast charging, PCB design skills, along with access to electrical and mechanical engineering knowledge to be able to take commercial DC power equipment and package them into chargers suitable for our Zeros.
The poll has given us a reasonable indication of demand and coupled with interest on facebook and other e-bike sites we will be able to make a decision on whether to proceed in the next week or two.
We will provide an update to this thread by the end of April on whether, and how, we will sell these chargers.
It's been a largely positive response thanks to the kind words from people like yourself.
Thanks again!
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Would this work with the FX? Getting charge time under 2 hours at a low price could make it good option for weekend warriors who ride off-road and want to charge over lunch using a generator?
What he said plus what is the output on 120V? Would be awesome to have the ability to hit the track all day (or close to) like an ICE bike.
The maximum power from a 120v source (assuming you were to get our single charger with dual AC input sockets (IEC C14) and plug them into two 120V sockets with sufficient capacity on the one circuit/s (>24A AC) or two separate circuits would be:
- 2 x 120v x 12A = 2880W AC @ 95% efficiency (full power efficiency) = 2736W DC
So our single charger would push 2.7kW DC into an FX charging off two 120v sockets.
That would take ~2 hour to charge from empty, down to ~1.7 hours with the onboard running as well. Less time again, if you don't ride it till it stops!
Sounds like it would be fantastic for my quick charger use-case which will be trying to keep my FXS going for a full track day. The good thing is with SM tracks (go kart road race courses) the speeds are lower (avg around 40mph?) so I'd hope that would have less draw per session than on a full road course. I've got a Quiq charger that I bought when I bought my bike but I've yet to see how it all comes together at the track as I've been waiting for the snow to melt over here in the mid-Atlantic seaboard. Excited to follow this post for sure.
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Someone who knows the charge limits of the FX feel free to chime in.
FX/FXS charge fuse is 70A (at least MY16/17). No problems with 2 flatpacks 2HE (41,7A) + onboard (6A) = 47,7A so far. Max. charge current noted in the BMS parameters is 26A each pack, so 52 A in total.
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Someone who knows the charge limits of the FX feel free to chime in.
FX/FXS charge fuse is 70A (at least MY16/17). No problems with 2 flatpacks 2HE (41,7A) + onboard (6A) = 47,7A so far. Max. charge current noted in the BMS parameters is 26A each pack, so 52 A in total.
Thanks Lenny!
So it looks like there is no fuse limit issue on an FX/FXS running our single charger along with the onboard!
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Thanks for your answers evtricity
I'm really hoping that you will sale your chargers in a few time.
Keep us informed please
Thanks!
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Could these modules be fed in series, using 415V (Europe's 240V mono-phase / 415V three-phase power) ?
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Could these modules be fed in series, using 415V (Europe's 240V mono-phase / 415V three-phase power) ?
For Europe, we will be wiring the chargers to use single phase - Live, Neutral and Ground on an IEC C20 socket. The double charger will have two independent AC inputs, both IEC C20 sockets. If you have a suitable 3 phase 5 pin (L1, L2, L3, N, G) source and splitter you could provide separate plugs to connect the IEC C20 with a Live (L1, L2 or L3), Neutral and Ground.
In Australia we have been using a 6 way splitter on 3 phase 32A 5 pin socket and we plug in 3 double chargers (6 x IEC C20 sockets drawing 15A each).
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If you have a suitable 3 phase 5 pin (L1, L2, L3, N, G) source and splitter you could provide separate plugs to connect the IEC C20 with a Live (L1, L2 or L3), Neutral and Ground.
I thought that the use of a splitter would feed the modules in parallel, no?
In Australia we have been using a 6 way splitter on 3 phase 32A 5 pin socket and we plug in 3 double chargers (6 x IEC C20 sockets drawing 15A each).
Wouldn't this trip the fuse of the station? (6x15A vs 32A)
Did you used the 3 double chargers to charge one bike at 3x6.6=19.8 kW ? or it was several bikes charged at one station?
Double charger:
Two chargers in one case with separate AC input and DC output
Standard AC input socket = 2 x IEC C20
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BYO 2 x IEC20 15A+ cable for your country
Will we be able to disconect one of the chargers to plug the pack on one regular 15A socket?
Double charger:
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Double DC fast charger cable included
Is it something like a Quick Charger Y Adapter that enable to connect the DC ouputs of both chargers to the aux port of the bike?
Can you post a photo of a double charger and the accessories that come with it?
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The Mennekes system used in the Netherlands has 3 phases, each individually fused an my guess is the Aussie system is the same. So each phase can deliver 230V at 32A, which means a 30A load per phase is no problem.
I made a charge cable for my setup that uses L1 for the charge tank and makes L2 and L3 available via a C19 connector on a connector box. The charge tank takes care of the handshake between the EVSE and the EV, and when the power is turned on I get three phases available at the current the EVSE supports. I can see how these chargers would work nicely with my charge setup ;)
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The Mennekes system used in the Netherlands has 3 phases, each individually fused an my guess is the Aussie system is the same. So each phase can deliver 230V at 32A, which means a 30A load per phase is no problem.
I made a charge cable for my setup that uses L1 for the charge tank and makes L2 and L3 available via a C19 connector on a connector box. The charge tank takes care of the handshake between the EVSE and the EV, and when the power is turned on I get three phases available at the current the EVSE supports. I can see how these chargers would work nicely with my charge setup ;)
Yes, Australia has very similar power to Europe and we have some Mennekes three phase stations here we have tested on. I have actually built a triple charger (12kW DC) and have intended to run that off Mennekes three phase as the Tesla stations which use something very similar to standard Mennekes are actually the most prominent public stations in Australia.
We are intending to set the default AC input limit to suit common US and Europe home and public charging structure which is predominantly 15A/16A and 30/32A.
The J1772 adaptor we would offer as an option allows you to use the double charger with two IEC C20 sockets and 30A. There would probably be a similar product for Mennekes including the right resistor to enable charging off Mennekes stations. If not, our existing supplier of the J1772 adaptors may be able to build some for us.
If buyers were sure they could get 16A/32A from their charging locations we can increase the limit from 15A/30A.
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Thanks for all the questions. Answers below in orange
If you have a suitable 3 phase 5 pin (L1, L2, L3, N, G) source and splitter you could provide separate plugs to connect the IEC C20 with a Live (L1, L2 or L3), Neutral and Ground.
I thought that the use of a splitter would feed the modules in parallel, no?
The 3 phase 32A splitter I'm referring to takes the three phase and is wired to 6 separate sockets as follows:
Socket 1 = L1, N, G (max 16A)
Socket 2 = L1, N, G (max 16A)
Socket 3 = L2, N, G (max 16A)
Socket 4 = L2, N, G (max 16A)
Socket 5 = L3, N, G (max 16A)
Socket 6 = L3, N, G (max 16A)
In Australia we have been using a 6 way splitter on 3 phase 32A 5 pin socket and we plug in 3 double chargers (6 x IEC C20 sockets drawing 15A each).
Wouldn't this trip the fuse of the station? (6x15A vs 32A)
No, it won't trip the fuse as it's 3 phase x 32A = 96A and we only pull 30A on each phase out of the rated 32A.
Did you used the 3 double chargers to charge one bike at 3x6.6=19.8 kW ? or it was several bikes charged at one station?
We charged three bikes simultaneously @ 7.2kW (as we have 240v in Australia). It's not possible to charge much above ~9kW without bypassing the 100A fuse limited fast charging port. With one exception, all the Zeros we charge are stock and use the standard Zero fast charge port without modification.
Double charger:
Two chargers in one case with separate AC input and DC output
Standard AC input socket = 2 x IEC C20
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BYO 2 x IEC20 15A+ cable for your country
Will we be able to disconect one of the chargers to plug the pack on one regular 15A socket?
Yes, if you only have one 15A socket available, on the double charger you only connect one AC input and one DC output to the bike. The other half of the double charger will not be powered on in this scenario. The double charger is effectively two single chargers fitted into one case/enclosure. The number and type of input and output cables/connectors on two single chargers is the same as on one double charger i.e. 2 x IEC C20 for AC input and 2 x Anderson SB50 for DC output.
Double charger:
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Double DC fast charger cable included
Is it something like a Quick Charger Y Adapter that enable to connect the DC ouputs of both chargers to the aux port of the bike?
Yes, similar in nature. The configuration we have been using is a short 2 to 1 adaptor - 1 x Anderson SB120 to 2 x Anderson SB50 connector. The SB50 connectors connect to each of the two DC outputs from a Double Charger. On the bike side, another Anderson SB120 connector connects from the 2 to 1 adaptor to the bike via a 16mm2 cable and Anderson SBS75XBRN connector.
Can you post a photo of a double charger and the accessories that come with it?
Yes, if we choose to sell them, we will provide photos of both the single and double chargers and the DC cables and any adaptors that are included or optional (eg. the J1772 adaptor). Hang in there, we will make a decision as to whether and how to proceed soon.
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Thanks for your answers
Again, you've got a great idea to propose a ready-to-use, modular, low-cost fast charger!
So hoping to hear you soon
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I'm pleased to confirm that thanks to the very positive response from members on this forum and securing supply of key charger components, that we will proceed to build and sell these chargers for Zero owners who are looking for a compact, lightweight fast charging solution.
We have secured the supply of a limited number of new high-quality rectifiers that are configured, integrated and packaged to make our single and double chargers. Until we secure more supply, this will limit production to ~20 double chargers or ~40 single chargers or some combination of both single and double chargers e.g. ~10 double chargers and ~20 single chargers.
We will release more details on the charger specifications and options (including photos), purchase process, support, warranty etc later in April.
In terms of availability, we will be targeting delivery of the first production chargers in June subject to additional locale testing in USA and Europe in May.
In regard to this testing, we are looking for one customer in the USA and one customer in Europe who would be willing to work with us to validate the performance of the charger in their locale. If you are interested in testing these chargers please PM or email me using my contact details on this forum. The requirements for this testing are that you:
- pay the full purchase price of a double charger upfront;
- use the charger regularly during the testing period;
- test at various locations e.g both at home and at public charging stations; and
- provide weekly feedback until the end of the test period (4 weeks from receipt of the charger).
The test chargers will be double chargers as specified at the beginning of this topic. They key difference between these chargers and the final production versions will be finish - the test chargers will have a bare aluminium case (not painted / anodised). They will have the same one year warranty as the production chargers. At the completion of the testing period, as a thank you for your time to test and provide feedback, we will refund USD400 / EU375 from the expected purchase price of a double charger (USD1399 / EU1315) making an after refund price inc delivery of USD999 / EU940.
Thanks for your support :)
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Size and weight?
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Size and weight?
Size and weight are listed in the first post of this topic.
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such a good news!
I have some more questions:
when paired in our charger they provide 116v - i.e. 100% charge on a Zero. The Elteks only get you to 115.2v max - about 95%.
I own a 2014 SR, is it concerned by these numbers or are they different?
I also own a 2014 SR and have tested these chargers extensively on my own bike. All Zero motorcycles from 2013 upward have the same max pack voltage.
I forgot to say that I have a power tank installed on mine. does it make any changes on the statement above?
We hope to get enough interest to sell you one. However, all import duties, VAT etc will be the responsibility of the buyer. Please research them before buying.
Well I tried to make my own research, but...hell! the duties mechanisms seem to be so complicated!
As far as I understood it, for France a consumer will have to pay a TVA (20% of price product) + import duty (which are quit hard to determine) to be able to take its product back from the custom office.
It is the consumer that has to pay when the product arrive at the custom office.
However, their seem to be some information that should be provided by the seller when sending the product, and here i'm lost...
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Answers below in orange
such a good news!
I have some more questions:
when paired in our charger they provide 116v - i.e. 100% charge on a Zero. The Elteks only get you to 115.2v max - about 95%.
I own a 2014 SR, is it concerned by these numbers or are they different?
I also own a 2014 SR and have tested these chargers extensively on my own bike. All Zero motorcycles from 2013 upward have the same max pack voltage.
I forgot to say that I have a power tank installed on mine. does it make any changes on the statement above?
Voltage remains the same with the power tank, the Power Tank just adds capacity. In your case 125Ah versus 100Ah for the non-power tank 2014 SR.
We hope to get enough interest to sell you one. However, all import duties, VAT etc will be the responsibility of the buyer. Please research them before buying.
Well I tried to make my own research, but...hell! the duties mechanisms seem to be so complicated!
As far as I understood it, for France a consumer will have to pay a TVA (20% of price product) + import duty (which are quit hard to determine) to be able to take its product back from the custom office.
It is the consumer that has to pay when the product arrive at the custom office.
However, their seem to be some information that should be provided by the seller when sending the product, and here i'm lost...
The link at https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BiE5_H0jp1AJ:https://www.dutycalculator.com/country-guides/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-France/+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BiE5_H0jp1AJ:https://www.dutycalculator.com/country-guides/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-France/+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au) provides a good explanation of import duties and taxes in France. We will complete the cost declarations for the charger and shipping costs to meet import requirements.
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I have a Zero S 2014 and I am looking for affordable quick charging and a Mennekes connector. In the Netherlands and most countries in Europe the Mennekes is the standard.
with quick charging my dream is about 9Kw charging (1 hour) and I am willing to pay 1.500 EUR (about 2000 USD).
Who, especially in Europe or the Netherlands, has an idea?
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I have a Zero S 2014 and I am looking for affordable quick charging and a Mennekes connector. In the Netherlands and most countries in Europe the Mennekes is the standard.
with quick charging my dream is about 9Kw charging (1 hour) and I am willing to pay 1.500 EUR (about 2000 USD).
Who, especially in Europe or the Netherlands, has an idea?
Hi forestlane,
Our double charger with AC input limited to 32A (2 x 16A) offers ~8.7kW when used in combination with the onboard charger.
To utilise Mennekes stations you'd need to also use a Mennekes to IEC C19 adaptor to plug in our double charger. We are looking at finding a third party supplier or making a Mennekes adaptor that provides 3 x IEC19 plugs. Two plugs go into our double charger and the third can be plugged into the onboard charger.
Cost for our double charger is expected to be EU1300. The optional Mennekes adaptor will be ~EU200.
So total cost would be EU1500 including delivery but excluding import duties and taxes.
Hope this gets you close to your fast charging dream.
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Hi evtricity,
this setup is exactly what I need and want!
Living and driving in Germany the import tax will be 19%.
Please give me a note when you know the conditions of selling and shipping.
Thanx
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@forestlane: 4 Eltek FP-S programmed to 57.6v and a bit of hardware also gets you to 8,5kW power. With a bit of resistor magic you could charge from the default Mennekes ports in NL at those rates. The chargers cost 280 a piece so that's 1080 in chargers, leavind 430 for the odd bits and pieces you need.
Where are you situated in NL? I have made a Mennekes breakout box for charging that can easily be adapted for an onboard charger + 4 Elteks.
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Hi evtricity,
this setup is exactly what I need and want!
Living and driving in Germany the import tax will be 19%.
Please give me a note when you know the conditions of selling and shipping.
Thanx
Be aware that 19% is NOT the import tax, but the VAT (MwSt. in German). The import tax is additional. I don't know exactly how much it is, but you customs can tell you this.
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For NL it's 19 euro fixed intake fee, 21% VAT (BTW) and 21% import tax for electronic devices capable of charging (8504 40 90 80 TARIC code)
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Hi Skidz,
I live near Den Bosch. But I am flexible for traveling in the Netherlands.
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@Lecram: Thanks for the note. I called the german custom office today. So it is 19% VAT and 2.5% import tax. I have no idea why it is so different to NL?!
@ David: It is only possible to import a charger to the european community when it has the CE ("Communautés Européenne") identification. Are you able to get this?
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It is only possible to import a charger to the european community when it has the CE ("Communautés Européenne") identification
Good point I forgot about!
And what will happen if it doesn't this identification?
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@Lecram: Thanks for the note. I called the german custom office today. So it is 19% VAT and 2.5% import tax. I have no idea why it is so different to NL?!
@ David: It is only possible to import a charger to the european community when it has the CE ("Communautés Européenne") identification. Are you able to get this?
It is not different. Also 2,5% import tax, only the VAT is a bit higher: 21%
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Oopsie, didn't read the site of the customs office right ;)
Indeed the VAT is 21% and import tax is between 3-4.5% according to https://belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/belastingdienst/prive/douane/goederen_ontvangen_uit_het_buitenland/van_organisaties_en_bedrijven/hoe_bereken_ik_de_belasting_bij_invoer_internetaankopen
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It is only possible to import a charger to the european community when it has the CE ("Communautés Européenne") identification
Good point I forgot about!
And what will happen if it doesn't this identification?
The rectifiers used in our chargers do have CE compliance and meet a number of other standards for electrical compliance (UL 60950-1; EN 60950-1 and IEC 60950). We are investigating whether these existing compliances can be used for the fast charging kits.
We will shortly be sending chargers to Europe and USA for locale testing with Zero owners. These will be considered prototype fast charging kits and we will not have gone through separate CE compliance for them as prototype electrical products may be imported into Europe for testing purposes without CE markings.
Given the small volume of chargers we are likely to sell in Europe (<20) obtaining CE certification will be cost prohibitive.
We'll update this forum when we are able to confirm whether the CE marking of the rectifiers can be used for the charging kits. If not, and we are required to undertake dedicated CE Marking to import them into Europe, it is likely that any further charging kits destined for Europe will be classified as prototypes.
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Here are some images of the ~7.2kW double charging prototype kit that we will be sending out to Europe and USA for locale testing soon.
The final units will be powder coated or anodised.
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We will shortly be sending chargers to Europe and USA for locale testing with Zero owners
Once that will be done, could you tell us how the delivery process in Europe goes well?
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Would it make sense to sell and ship these as a kit without the PSUs for overseas orders? A quick look on eBay shows plenty available in the UK.
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Yes, we have considered the option of a build your own charger kit but felt that only a small number of Zero owners would be willing to build the charger themselves even if we supplied the case, PCB double rectifier connector, PCB components, all wiring, fast charger cable etc. The rectifiers would have to be pre-programmed to work with Zero bikes and available power supplies.
You can see the number of questions we get about a fully built charger, imagine how many there would be if we sold it in pieces!
Many of those who would be willing to build it themselves have already built their own chargers using Meanwell and Eltek equipment.
As I think I've mentioned previously, we're Zero owners in Australia trying to help as many other Zero owners enjoy the benefits of fast charging. As soon as we ask people to do it themselves, a bunch of people won't do it and the risk of someone hurting themselves or the bike goes up significantly. Building a complete charger provides more value to a wider audience and increases the chance of us breaking even on the initiative.
We will continue to push to deliver complete/built test chargers overseas and understand the bureaucratic challenges of doing that. From that small exercise we will reassess how we move forward from there for each continent/country.
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Well, if I could build a fast charger by myself I would do it as a couple of people in NL do.
I have a lot of experience screwing on motorbikes but I have no idea of what is important for building and programming a charger.
I am very happy that you guys on the other side of the planet will offer a solution even I can work with.
I have no experience in import of electric devices but reading that the chargers already have a CE sign makes me look forward.
So I hope it all works out an I can get a 6.6 charger in the near future.
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I'm definitely interested in the single charger. I know I'd forget to turn it off though, even if I set the alarm on my phone.
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I'm definitely interested in the single charger. I know I'd forget to turn it off though, even if I set the alarm on my phone.
The fast charger automatically stops charging when it reaches top of charge.
We recommend that you turn off the fast charger around this time as the charger will continue to run its fans and draw a small amount of power for that purpose even when it is not charging.
If you are going to leave the bike for extended periods to charge (overnight, all day at work) then we recommend using the onboard charger which is designed for this purpose (silent/fanless, minimal ongoing power draw, waterproof etc).
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I'm definitely interested in the single charger. I know I'd forget to turn it off though, even if I set the alarm on my phone.
The fast charger automatically stops charging when it reaches top of charge.
We recommend that you turn off the fast charger around this time as the charger will continue to run its fans and draw a small amount of power for that purpose even when it is not charging.
If you are going to leave the bike for extended periods to charge (overnight, all day at work) then we recommend using the onboard charger which is designed for this purpose (silent/fanless, minimal ongoing power draw, waterproof etc).
Thanks for the response. That makes sense. I'll be checking in and will definitely buy one if not a pair by the end of the summer.
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An update...
We have sent three of the 6.6+kW charging kits (chargers) to Europe and USA for locale testing last week. Another two have been delivered to Zero owners in Australia last week.
We have created an online shop at http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop) which provides more details about the charging kits and J1772/Mennekes adaptors.
Pricing
We're pleased to announce that:
- the 6.6kW+ charger will be available for AUD1690 (~USD1250 and ~EU1150); and
- the 3.3kW+ charger will be available for AUD940 (~USD695 and ~EU640) as indicated earlier.
These prices include delivery but exclude any import duties/taxes. For Australian Zero owners, the prices quoted above include GST and shipping.
We've reduced the price of the 6.6kW+ charger to make it easier for Zero owners to experience the benefits of faster charging. The 6.6kW+ charger provides an optimal charging experience for our Zero's being:
- 6.6-7.2kW (e.g. 30/32A on J1772/Mennekes stations) without the onboard charger; and
- 8-9kW when used in conjunction with the onboard charger
Delivery times
We are currently getting the aluminium charger cases powdercoated and anodised to sample the various finishes this week. It is likely that the first batch of cases will be anodized in black which will occur over the next two weeks. We'll update the images on the shop site from the current "raw finish" chargers then.
As soon as the first batch of cases are anodised/powdercoated, we will be shipping the fully-built charging kits to Zero owners in Australia and New Zealand (late May/early June).
Subject to the locale testing in Europe and the USA in May, we anticipate shipping to those locations in June.
The user manual provides more details about the charging kits as well as warranty and support arrangements. The user manual is available from the product description in the online shop.
If you're interested, please browse our online shop at http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop) to get more details.
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Great job!
What if I plug this 7.2kW charger into a 5.5kW chargepoint? I mean: this chargepoint is limited to 24Amps (not just the fuse, it tops the current at 24A). Will this work?
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Great job!
What if I plug this 7.2kW charger into a 5.5kW chargepoint? I mean: this chargepoint is limited to 24Amps (not just the fuse, it tops the current at 24A). Will this work?
The 6.6+kW charger has two AC inputs set to 15A current limit per input. If the charging station only offers a maximum of 24A then you should only plug in one of the two AC inputs and the onboard charger to stay under the 24A limit.
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Great job!
What if I plug this 7.2kW charger into a 5.5kW chargepoint? I mean: this chargepoint is limited to 24Amps (not just the fuse, it tops the current at 24A). Will this work?
The 6.6+kW charger has two AC inputs set to 15A current limit per input. If the charging station only offers a maximum of 24A then you should only plug in one of the two AC inputs and the onboard charger to stay under the 24A limit.
I understand that this will limit the current as well. But if I plug in both chargers to achieve a faster charging, will it also work with a total of 24A input (and obviously also a limited power output)?
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The chargers will pull 15A through each input regardless of the limit of the J1772 station as we don't modify the current pulled based on the available current specified by the pilot signal from the J1772 station.
So if you do plug in both charger inputs into a J1772 station that provides less than 30A then the circuit breaker on the station will trip and stop charging.
You'd then have to reset the station and use one AC input (15A) and the onboard charger (6A).
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Brilliant work! How exciting.
I've just caught up on the news, and am interested in a single charger. I'm also and Aussie living in LA, and ride a DSR from the legends down at Hollywood Elecrics.
Will they be selling? Is it best to get one picked up on the ground in Oz (girlfriend doing a trip back in May/June)? Or wait for shipments to west coast USA?
Looking forward to hearing more!
Cheers team,
Luke
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I am considering to purchase the double and single charger. The double charger can charge through the chargeport, the single through the controller.
My question:
Is it possible to supply the single charger with a charge kabel with connectors to connect to the controller, as show here?: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Advanced_Modifications#Charging_Through_Sevcon_Controller (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Advanced_Modifications#Charging_Through_Sevcon_Controller)
I mean in stead of the brown Anderson connector.
Second question:
I wamt to put the chargers in the rear case. What is the length of the charge cables?
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Subject to the locale testing in Europe and the USA in May, we anticipate shipping to those locations in June.
The user manual provides more details about the charging kits as well as warranty and support arrangements. The user manual is available from the product description in the online shop.
If you're interested, please browse our online shop at http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop) to get more details.
Yeah!
That sounds like a great touring this summer!
I'll get a double pls!
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Brilliant work! How exciting.
I've just caught up on the news, and am interested in a single charger. I'm also and Aussie living in LA, and ride a DSR from the legends down at Hollywood Elecrics.
Will they be selling? Is it best to get one picked up on the ground in Oz (girlfriend doing a trip back in May/June)? Or wait for shipments to west coast USA?
Looking forward to hearing more!
Cheers team,
Luke
We will be shipping to Australia in late May, before shipping to the USA in June following testing there.
The cost in Australia is the same as in the USA - AUD940 including delivery for the 3.3kW charger. Not sure how each option - either carried in luggage or freight shipped from Australia will fare with any import duties.
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I am considering to purchase the double and single charger. The double charger can charge through the chargeport, the single through the controller.
My question:
Is it possible to supply the single charger with a charge kabel with connectors to connect to the controller, as show here?: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Advanced_Modifications#Charging_Through_Sevcon_Controller (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Advanced_Modifications#Charging_Through_Sevcon_Controller)
I mean instead of the brown Anderson connector.
Second question:
I want to put the chargers in the rear case. What is the length of the charge cables?
In regard to connecting to the controller, the single charger has a short (20cm) DC output cable with an SB50 connector. To be able to connect it into the controller terminals you can make a DC cable using at least 6mm2 gauge wire with an SB50 on one end and suitable sized ring terminals on the other end. Rather than making a cable that is long enough to have the charger permanently connected to the controller while riding, I'd suggest you make the cable from the controller short and add a boot and cover to the SB50 connector for weatherproofing and tuck it out of the way when riding. When stopped, you can pull out the SB50, remove the cover and then connect a DC extension cable from the single charger to the short cable from the controller. While technically, yes, we could make the controller cable and the extension cable to suitable lengths, we have not tested the chargers permanently connected to the controller and so don't want to give the impression that this configuration is supported when we haven't tested it.
The standard DC fast charge cable with SBS75XBRN connector is 1 metre long (noted in the User Manual). We can make a longer cable, say 2 metres if desired. Just add a note to your order or email your requirement to support@evtricity.com.au.
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Yeah!
That sounds like a great touring this summer!
I'll get a double pls!
You're welcome to place an order at http://evtricity.com.au/shop/ (http://evtricity.com.au/shop/) to reserve your place in the queue for the production units but please be aware that:
- final product finish (paint/anodising) has not been confirmed;
- Europe and USA testing will only start in the next 7 days; and
- overseas charger deliveries won't commence until June subject to the outcome of the Europe and USA testing.
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I am considering to purchase the double and single charger. The double charger can charge through the chargeport, the single through the controller.
My question:
Is it possible to supply the single charger with a charge kabel with connectors to connect to the controller, as show here?: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Advanced_Modifications#Charging_Through_Sevcon_Controller (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Advanced_Modifications#Charging_Through_Sevcon_Controller)
I mean instead of the brown Anderson connector.
Second question:
I want to put the chargers in the rear case. What is the length of the charge cables?
In regard to connecting to the controller, the single charger has a short (20cm) DC output cable with an SB50 connector. To be able to connect it into the controller terminals you can make a DC cable using at least 6mm2 gauge wire with an SB50 on one end and suitable sized ring terminals on the other end. Rather than making a cable that is long enough to have the charger permanently connected to the controller while riding, I'd suggest you make the cable from the controller short and add a boot and cover to the SB50 connector for weatherproofing and tuck it out of the way when riding. When stopped, you can pull out the SB50, remove the cover and then connect a DC extension cable from the single charger to the short cable from the controller. While technically, yes, we could make the controller cable and the extension cable to suitable lengths, we have not tested the chargers permanently connected to the controller and so don't want to give the impression that this configuration is supported when we haven't tested it.
The standard DC fast charge cable with SBS75XBRN connector is 1 metre long (noted in the User Manual). We can make a longer cable, say 2 metres if desired. Just add a note to your order or email your requirement to support@evtricity.com.au.
I will connect the cable fixed to the controller and keep the other end of the cable with the SB50 connector under the seat (I have a quick removable seat).
I dill not always need the quick chargers, only when I am on a longer trip. When I make a longer trip, I can take the topcase with the chargers with me and connect these when I have to charge.
It would be great if you can make these ring terminals to the cable as I don't have a crimp tool. Iw ill contact you later with the details.
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I've added a stub for this to the wiki aftermarket page. It'll benefit from some details:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#EVTricity_Fast_Charging_Kit (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#EVTricity_Fast_Charging_Kit)
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I've added a stub for this to the wiki aftermarket page. It'll benefit from some details:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#EVTricity_Fast_Charging_Kit (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#EVTricity_Fast_Charging_Kit)
Thanks Brian. I've updated the wiki aftermarket page with more details. Will add photos when the anodised/powdercoated cases arrive.
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An update on progress. We have units in Europe and US being tested as the moment and reports back are good so far. We'll be continuing to work with our fabulous testers over the next 3 weeks as they try out the chargers at different locations including domestic and public charging and J1772 and Mennekes stations.
We've received our sample black finishes for the charger cases. They look great and we'll be looking to proceeding with a gloss black anodising for all cases going forward.
We expect to ship the first production units in the w/c 12th June with deliveries to customers arriving in the w/c 19th June in Europe and the USA. Thank you to those how have pre-ordered so far. We'll get your charging kits to you as soon as we can, subject to the anodising and locale testing.
Here are some photos of the chargers in the black gloss case. Hope you like them!
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AWESOME !
Thanks a lot for making this and sell it, thanks thanks thanks !
Of course i need one. I have just few questions before checkout.
About mennekes adaptor :
- Just seen answer about my first question : need a 3 phase station (11kW i suppose, to have 16A by phase). But you speak about 20A for the 2 C19. Does it mean 32A station ? (22kw) ?
- Does it work with 11kw and 22kW station ? (3 phase, 16A or 32A each)
- How will it work will 32A monophased station (7.6kw) : Not at all ? Just 1 of the 3 output cable ? All 3 output but limited to 32A ?
- Does the plug have electronic to "discuss" with the station ? Some station require a "car ready" signal to start deliver power, and a "car charging" signal to continue after start.
This one do it : http://eauto.si/metron-shop/?product=adapter-type-2-3-x-schuko-16-a (http://eauto.si/metron-shop/?product=adapter-type-2-3-x-schuko-16-a) (look at the 2 grey buttons on the mennekes gun)
Not mandatory for some station, but required by other... Could be nice to have it on yours because your version have the good plugs (avoid to add again adaptor...)
- What is the length of the 3 cables ? Seem very very short on the pic. As the station plug is generaly at 1 meter from the ground, seem very hard to plug them to the charger with theses cables ! Or is it designed to be used with another mennekes<->mennekes cable ? (or with 3 C20/19 long cables)
- You speak about 3 C19 plugs, but our bike have a C13. You speak about a C19>C13 adaptor. Is it included ?
About the 6.6kw charging kit :
- I've seen in documentation that it come with "Double DC fast charger cable included (2 x SB50 to SB120 + SB120 to SBS75XBRN)"
I'm lost with all theses conectors ! The final connector included is the "anderson brown" conector to plug on the "aux" bike conector ? No other adaptor to buy ? (just to be sure !)
I have a givi topcase on my bike. I plan to buy another to mount the charger inside. need a model compatible with my givi monokey plate. Any advise ? (size, form factor, compound...)
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Lots of good questions and thank you for the positive feedback.
Please see my response below in orange italics
AWESOME !
Thanks a lot for making this and sell it, thanks thanks thanks !
Of course i need one. I have just few questions before checkout.
About mennekes adaptor :
- Just seen answer about my first question : need a 3 phase station (11kW i suppose, to have 16A by phase). But you speak about 20A for the 2 C19. Does it mean 32A station ? (22kw) ?
Our Mennekes adaptors have 20A rated IEC C19 plugs and AWG12 cables. That higher limit is to support users who may want the maximum charger limit of 20A (above the more common 16A most in Europe would want for versatility). To ensure we follow standards we add in the correct resistor level to tell the charging station that the adaptor (extension) may draw up to 20A. With this setup the station may need to be 32A - see below.
- Does it work with 11kw and 22kW station ? (3 phase, 16A or 32A each)
Yes, it will work with 22kW Mennekes stations - both standard Mennekes and Tesla (Mennekes) stations
For 11kW stations, with the standard adaptor and 20A spec resistor (680 ohm) I'm not sure whether it will work at 16A stations (none in Australia) as the EVSE may not accept that the adaptor draws more than 16A. The standard has a resistor level for 20A, but I don't see one for 16A. If there is such a resistor level to state that we will pull 16A then I can create and adaptor with that resistor in it.
- How will it work will 32A monophased station (7.6kw) : Not at all ? Just 1 of the 3 output cable ? All 3 output but limited to 32A ?
Yes, it will work but only on phase 1 i.e. one output cable limited to 20A (the cable/adaptor limit).
- Does the plug have electronic to "discuss" with the station ? Some station require a "car ready" signal to start deliver power, and a "car charging" signal to continue after start.
This one do it : http://eauto.si/metron-shop/?product=adapter-type-2-3-x-schuko-16-a (http://eauto.si/metron-shop/?product=adapter-type-2-3-x-schuko-16-a) (look at the 2 grey buttons on the mennekes gun)
Not mandatory for some station, but required by other... Could be nice to have it on yours because your version have the good plugs (avoid to add again adaptor...)
Yes, there is a switch on the handle that when off is in EV Charging Ready and when turned on signals EV charging state. This allows you to turn off power to the charger at any time during charging and to allow you to disconnect from the Mennekes station.
- What is the length of the 3 cables ? Seem very very short on the pic. As the station plug is generaly at 1 meter from the ground, seem very hard to plug them to the charger with theses cables ! Or is it designed to be used with another mennekes<->mennekes cable ? (or with 3 C20/19 long cables)
Yes, the three adaptor cables are very short ~30cm. This was by design to suit tethered stations like Tesla provide. For non-tethered stations, the buyer will need to to purchase 3 x C20 to C19 extension cables of a suitable length, at least 2 metres each.
- You speak about 3 C19 plugs, but our bike have a C13. You speak about a C19>C13 adaptor. Is it included ?
Yes, we include a C20 to C13 adaptor with the Mennekes adaptors so that you can plug into your Zero onboard charger.
About the 6.6kw charging kit :
- I've seen in documentation that it come with "Double DC fast charger cable included (2 x SB50 to SB120 + SB120 to SBS75XBRN)"
I'm lost with all theses conectors ! The final connector included is the "anderson brown" conector to plug on the "aux" bike conector ? No other adaptor to buy ? (just to be sure !)
No, you don't need to buy any DC cable. However, you need to purchase a suitable AC cable for your country that has a C19 end to plug into the charger (2 cables for the double 6.6+kW charger) if you want to plug into domestic sockets e.g. Schuko.
I have a givi topcase on my bike. I plan to buy another to mount the charger inside. need a model compatible with my givi monokey plate. Any advise ? (size, form factor, compound...)
Sorry, can't help you with luggage compatible with Zeros. There should be some info on this forum or in the Zero Unofficial Manual at http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#Luggage_Rack_Installation (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#Luggage_Rack_Installation).
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ok thanks for your detailed answer :)
no problem for the givi topcase, i will check later.
About the mennekes adaptor, have you tested many EVSE stations ? When the "car ready" signal is sent to the station ?
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We have tested the Mennekes adaptor with Tesla (EU/HK/AU Mennekes plug) three phase and single phase destination charging stations and Rolec 22kW stations. We would test with more but there are literally no other stations in Sydney, Australia. We expect the adaptor to work with any Mennekes station that follows the Type 2 signalling standard and provides sufficient power.
As far as we are aware, this is the only available Mennekes adaptor that works on three phase Tesla Mennekes destination charging stations.
We will happily refund the purchase price if the adaptor doesn't work on the majority of Mennekes stations in your area.
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I'd be interested in one for USA usage.
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I'd be interested in one for USA usage.
The USA doesn't have charging stations that use the Mennekes plug. Tesla use a different proprietary plug for charging stations in the USA. If we find a source for high quality Tesla USA charging station adaptors we'll let you know. You could try asking http://shop.quickchargepower.com (http://shop.quickchargepower.com) to see if they could make you one.
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Hello Evtricity,
great job, these chargers. I am interested in a 6.6 kW and will be happy to hear about the test results in Europe.
ps. I live in The Netherlands and I was in Sydney last december 2016.
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Hello Evtricity,
great job, these chargers. I am interested in a 6.6 kW and will be happy to hear about the test results in Europe.
ps. I live in The Netherlands and I was in Sydney last december 2016.
Thanks forestlane. We really think the 6.6+kW (7.36kW in Europe at 230v and 16A limit) is the way to go as it maximises the charging you can do on a stock Zero S/SR/DS/DSR. The single charger is good but leaves you charging for 2-2.5 hours from empty which I think is too much to call it fast charging! You either charge fast ~1 hour (6.6+kW plus onboard) when you're on the go or slow (onboard) 5+ hours overnight or at home/work.
Hope you enjoyed your time down under. I stayed in Nunspeet in the Netherlands about 20 years ago when I used to race bicycles. Flat and often windy but the local forests were very nice.
Will definitely update this forum with testing progress in Europe.
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I'd be interested in one for USA usage.
The USA doesn't have charging stations that use the Mennekes plug. Tesla use a different proprietary plug for charging stations in the USA. If we find a source for high quality Tesla USA charging station adaptors we'll let you know. You could try asking http://shop.quickchargepower.com (http://shop.quickchargepower.com) to see if they could make you one.
Boo! You just made me sad. :'(
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We also wanted to share that we have been testing a conformal coating to the chargers and will be applying that coating to all production units i.e. those shipped from now onwards.
The conformal coating is applied to the internals of the chargers and provides an additional layer of environmental protection. The actual product we are using is Electrolube's HPA - http://www.electrolube.com/products/conformal-coatings/hpa/acrylic/ (http://www.electrolube.com/products/conformal-coatings/hpa/acrylic/) if you want to understand a little more about what the product does.
While this coating doesn't make the chargers waterproof per se, we believe it will improve the charger's ability to perform well even in high moisture environments (fog, mist etc).
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MUST HAVE!!!!!!!
Just wonder, if i Order a 6.6kw/h charger by the end of this week, when will it be shipped? I live in denmark, if i matters.
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MUST HAVE!!!!!!!
Just wonder, if i Order a 6.6kw/h charger by the end of this week, when will it be shipped? I live in denmark, if i matters.
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Expected delivery to Denmark would be June 19-23 (if ordered by June 7th).
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Your shop is blocked by the firewall of my company :(
will wait this evening to order !
New question : With 8kW quick charge (1.3 onboard + 6.6 external), how hot is the battery ?
I've read somewhere here that heat lower the lifetime of the batterie and need to know if i will have to add fan when i use quick charge.
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Some clarifying information regarding the Mennekes charge stations in Europe:
-the official documentation differs in between 16 and 20A, however they are basically treated the same. Charge points are either 11 kW (16A) or 22 kW (32A) as those are the most common power sources
-if a plug (i.e. evtricity's) ask's for 20A with the 680 ohm resistor, the station will answer how much it can provide and the vehicle needs to adapt to it. As the plug just contains resistors and no further intelligence, it's necessary to make sure not to draw more than 16A (i.e. chargers are set to 16A max)
-you could use an arduino to read the stations power signal, but in most cases you won't need it, as you take care of the current yourself
-if you want to differ in between one phase (i.e. 7.6 kW, 32A) and three phase charging, you need some relay's to switch the chargers from one phase to another. I'm actually doing this with my flatpacks to be able to charge from a usual plug with about 3.5 kW
To sum up:
-with a usual Typ2-plug with resistors in it, it will work fine on nearly every station
-for evtricity's charger: get an additional "household-plug" to C19, so your able to do one phase charging (1.3 or 3.3 kW) or three phase charging (4.6, 6.6 or 8 kW)
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-for evtricity's charger: get an additional "household-plug" to C19, so your able to do one phase charging (1.3 or 3.3 kW) or three phase charging (4.6, 6.6 or 8 kW)
Why ? Evtricity said before that it's ok with one phase station, 1 of the 3 plugs will work (1.3 or 3.3kw)
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Last saturday I was doing a 250 mile trip, and the battery reached 40 celcius when charging at 7kW with an ambient temp of about 26 celcius.
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-for evtricity's charger: get an additional "household-plug" to C19, so your able to do one phase charging (1.3 or 3.3 kW) or three phase charging (4.6, 6.6 or 8 kW)
Why ? Evtricity said before that it's ok with one phase station, 1 of the 3 plugs will work (1.3 or 3.3kw)
That is correct. However you might want to be able to charge faster from a household plug in the case of a charge point not working or if you got stranded. Such a cable is not very big or expensive, so I would carry it as an additional reserve.
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How well does the charger tolerate vibration?
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Your shop is blocked by the firewall of my company :(
will wait this evening to order !
New question : With 8kW quick charge (1.3 onboard + 6.6 external), how hot is the battery ?
I've read somewhere here that heat lower the lifetime of the batteries and need to know if i will have to add fan when i use quick charge.
My experiences on battery temperature and charging:
- none of our testers have ever experienced battery overheating from charging at 8kWh
- hard acceleration makes a huge difference to battery temperature, charging not so much
- when battery temperature is above 40C and ambient under 25C, the battery will drop in temperature about 2C per hour
when charging at 4kW.
- when battery temperature is above 40C and charging at 8kW the battery temperature doesn't increase more than 1C per hour
You can't really cool the battery to any meaningful degree with fans - believe me I've tried many ways and missed many end of day track sessions due to the battery overheating from too many fast sessions.
In Summary
8kW charging shouldn't result in pushing battery temperatures above the Zero's thermal limits. These limits are that the bike won't let you charge if the battery temperature is above 50C and shuts down if temperature is above 55C. However, if your riding - track, highway and/or hot conditions drives higher battery temperatures (40+C), you need to be mindful that the battery won't cool when charging at 8kW and your next ride after charging may see you having to slow down to avoid overheating the battery. In these circumstances just keep an eye on battery temperature via the Zero app and keep it under 50C at all times.
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Very interresting point.
So, you can charge slowly and miss last track session because no more battery, or fast charge and miss last track session because too hot battery -_-
For the battery cooling, someone tell me that he use cryo ice. Seem extrem solution, but if you tell that fan is useless...
Have you tried fan with small cooling system (like air conditioner, or with water evaporator) ?
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No, the battery overheats because of too many minutes of hard riding. Battery temperature goes up about 3C every 4 minutes on the track.
Fast charging at 8kW doesn't increase battery temperature more than 1C in 60 minutes!
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yes yes, but if you charge slowly, battery temp goes down 2°C. (and probably more if you charge slower again, or dont charge at all).
Anyway, i only have a zero S, so i will probably dont have temp problem ;-)
Just a good point to know before purchase of a 2018 SR !
Double Charger ordered :)
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Yes, if you didn't charge for an hour then the bike would be maybe 3-4C lower. At track speed that gets you maybe 5 minutes to get the temperature back to where it was in your last session and then you have no battery left to ride anywhere as you didn't charge after the last session .
You should not have battery overheating issues from riding on the street even with an SR unless you're riding in extreme temperatures and/or illegal speeds for extended periods!
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You should not have battery overheating issues from riding on the street even with an SR unless you're riding in extreme temperatures and/or illegal speeds for extended periods!
Clearly you dont live in the American West. Where 80mph speed limits, and triple digit temps(in F) are normal.
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I would consider triple digit Fahrenheit temperatures
to be extreme temperatures for motorcycling in and we had a 46C (115 Fahrenheit) day in Sydney last summer so we experience conditions like the American West, we just don't consider them normal, as they are from a global perspective, extreme.
I stand by my comment that on the road you need extreme (>100F) temperatures to overheat the battery or very hard/fast riding. Judging by comments across these forums there are very few people who experience battery overheating in their Zeros on the road and if they do, it occurs in the conditions I've already stated.
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I would consider triple digit Fahrenheit temperatures
to be extreme temperatures for motorcycling in and we had a 46C (115 Fahrenheit) day in Sydney last summer so we experience conditions like the American West, we just don't consider them normal, as they are from a global perspective, extreme.
I stand by my comment that on the road you need extreme (>100F) temperatures to overheat the battery or very hard/fast riding. Judging by comments across these forums there are very few people who experience battery overheating in their Zeros on the road and if they do, it occurs in the conditions I've already stated.
The non-IPM motors will overheat easily under frequent acceleration... I would overheat the local demo FX in under 5 minutes just riding around town.
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2 different things : motor and battery.
Easy to overhear the motor part, just have to accelerate hard many times... But no effect :)
Overheat the battery is other thing. Never append on my zero S since 8 month riding / racing. I will take care about this point next time to record all stats (heat during the 20min track, cooling with/without charge during standby before next track, external temp...)
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Hi evtricity,
is it possible to make a small youtube movie while charging a Zero with the 3.3 kW and the 6.6 kW fast chargers?
ps. we had a great time down under :)
we really loved the relaxed and helpfull way of living in Australia.
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Hi evtricity,
is it possible to make a small youtube movie while charging a Zero with the 3.3 kW and the 6.6 kW fast chargers?
ps. we had a great time down under :)
we really loved the relaxed and helpfull way of living in Australia.
Yes, with the help of a fellow Zero owner who works in video production, we will be making a video showing the charging process with the fast chargers.
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hi evtricity,
great ;D ;D
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If you need any west coast USA testers still I'd be interested, if not, how is the USA testing going?
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so we experience conditions like the American West, we just don't consider them normal, as they are from a global perspective, extreme.
Ha. Not in sydney, go far west for conditions closer to the west usa...
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If you need any west coast USA testers still I'd be interested, if not, how is the USA testing going?
Thanks for the offer to test 42Cliffside but we're not going to add any more USA testers. The locale testing in the USA and Europe was to help us understand customs and delivery issues as well as power and adaptor requirements and we've got a good understanding of those for the USA now.
Into the second week testing in Florida and it is going well with our 6.6kW charger being run on J1772 and NEMA 14-50 sockets with our tester also recently upgrading to the latest Zero firmware. No issues at this time.
We expect to be shipping production chargers to the USA from w/c 12th June if testing and case powdercoating continue to proceed to plan.
In terms of high temps in west USA, our chargers will run at full power up to 150F (65C) ambient, so you can run them in Death Valley if you wish! #hotenoughforyou ;)
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sweet, that's awesome.
I will be ordering a 6600+W unit when I get my bills in order. that could be a while...
fyi, i prefer anodizing to powder coating...
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Unfortunately, the gloss anodising was four times more expensive and would took another week so I decided to go with the powdercoating for the first batch.
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I can't wait for mine to arrive, looks like it cleared customs yesterday. As I live in NV, I'll be operating in hot temps this summer, but I'm not concerned about it. Extreme temps take their toll on all equipment....and operator, I don't see this as an issue at all.
In terms of high temps in west USA, our chargers will run at full power up to 150F (65C) ambient, so you can run them in Death Valley if you wish! #hotenoughforyou ;)
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I've had a request over the weekend to build a triple charger. We have indeed built a case for these and done some initial testing with the unit capable of 13.2kW (AC) and 12kW DC. The charger needs to be wired to bypass the 100A charge fuse to supply this amount of power.
Who would be interested if we made a "triple" 13.2kW charger available? Cost would be ~AUD2390. That's USD1775 and EU1575 based on current exchange rates. Price includes worldwide delivery but excludes local taxes and import duties. Weight is 8kg.
The unit would be best suited for use in Europe, Australia, New Zealand etc where three phase power is readily available but could also be used in the USA using high powered J1772 stations (eg. 80A) or multiple J1772 stations. This charger would need to be integrated by the purchaser to bypass the 100A charge fuse e.g. connected to the Sevcon controller battery terminals.
For most Zero owners we strongly recommend getting the 6.6+kW stations as it provides close to the maximum power that the charge fuse supports when used in parallel with the onboard charger. With charge times in the 1-1.5 hour region from empty on most Zero S/DS/SR/DSR models the 6.6kW+ charger makes road trips and touring achievable. While, the 3.3+kW is certainly better than the onboard by itself, with 2+ hour charge times from empty it's not as well suited for 200+km (120 mile) road trips. The triple charger is for those who want to go to the next level and are comfortable connecting the charger to bypass the charging fuse and understand the implications of charging at or over the "1C" charge rate and the sub hour charging from empty that it delivers.
Triple charger prototype photos attached.
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Triple isnt 9.9kw ???
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Triple isnt 9.9kw ???
Triple is our code name for the levels in the charger. Single has one level, double has two levels, triple has three levels.
The default setting on our chargers is 15A per level so a single charger in the USA (220V) is 15A x 220V = 3.3kW, double charger is 30A x 220V = 6.6kW and triple charger is 45A x 220V = 9.9kW. We can increase the input current limit up to 20A, so a single charger can be 20A x 220V = 4.4kW, double charger can be 40A x 220V = 8.8kW and triple charger can be 60A x 220V = 13.2kW.
In Europe where 3 phase 32A stations are abundant, the triple charger could run at 58A (19.3A on each phase) x 230V = 13,340kW AC!
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Ok ! Very clear :)
Thanks
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Progress update - production charging kits being sent on Tuesday 13th June
The first batch of 20+ charger cases have been finished and we will building all the pre-ordered chargers this weekend (thank you to those who have pre-ordered and been waiting patiently for their deliveries). We will have the cases on Friday and will update the online shop photos with images of the black gloss double chargers.
As testing in Europe and USA has gone as expected, we are pleased to announce that we will be shipping both pre-orders and new orders from Tuesday 13th June with deliveries reaching overseas customers from the w/c 19th June.
Please go to http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop) if you wish to purchase one of our charging kits for Zero 2014-2017 motorcycles. If you have any questions, please email us at support@evtricity.com.au.
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Great progress!
What test details can you give us about 3 phase charging in Europe?
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Great progress!
What test details can you give us about 3 phase charging in Europe?
Testing has been completed in Europe using our double charger at 230v x 32A (2 x 16A) using a tester's Mennekes to 3 x C19 adaptor on 11kW and 22kW stations in parallel with the onboard charger. Charging rates on the Zero app were around 8000-8300 watts (75-80A) DC.
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very nice !
cant wait, cant wait more, neeeeeeeeed :-[
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very nice !
cant wait, cant wait more, neeeeeeeeed :-[
Hang in there!
The finished cases have arrived today (and they look great in gloss black - see pics below) so we'll be busily assembling over the weekend and shipping all orders on Tuesday 13th June with deliveries in w/c 19th June.
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Is it possible to combine the charge tank with the double charger kit, without blowing the charging fuse?
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Is it possible to combine the charge tank with the double charger kit, without blowing the charging fuse?
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I'm not familiar with how the Charge Tank is wired (there aren't any Zero owners near Sydney that have a Charge Tank).
Can anyone chip in as to how the Charge Tank is wired in respect to the 100A charge fuse?
If it goes via the existing 100A charge fuse then you'd only be able to run our single charger with the Charge Tank and onboard. In Europe withe 230V and 16A setting you'd have 3.7kW + 2.5kw + 1.3kW = 7.5kW up to ~75A DC depending on state of charge). The double charger (an extra ~35A over the single) would push that over 100A. If the Charge Tank doesn't go via the same charge fuse then the 100A fuse would not be an issue and you could consider a double charger but you would be at or very close to the 1C BMS limit on a 2015 12.5kWh pack (1C should be 108A) and 2016/17 (1C should be 116A). In those cases you could just forego using the low powered onboard charger and squeeze under the 1C limit.
These are general recommendation - I'd need to know which Zero battery you have, local voltage etc to give you a better recommendation that would avoid you going too close to the charge fuse or 1C BMS charging limit.
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I had the exact same question when figuring out how far I could go, and found out the charge tank goes through the 100A charge fuse. So at 7.5kW (Chargetank + onboard + aux charger) it's maxed out.
The chargetank is 2500W, and when connecting it it will also engage the onboard totalling in a theoretical 3.8kW although I have never seen it charge any faster than 30A in the logs...
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Are the chargers waterproof?
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Are the chargers waterproof?
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Hi benswing.
This is addressed in the first post in this topic and also on the ZMC facebook group where you noted on my initial post on developing the chargers that "Personally I would be hesitant to use anything that isn't waterproof, but the price is very attractive". Since then we've tested and are applying a conformal coating to the chargers to provide moisture protection in high humidity environments.
So to confirm again, the chargers aren't waterproof but they are lighter, more compact and 60-70% less expensive per kW than competing chargers for Zero motorcycles. They're proving popular and I'm very pleased that we can open up fast charging to those who may not need or be able to afford the more expensive options.
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...Since then we've tested and are applying a conformal coating to the chargers to provide moisture protection in high humidity environments.
Ah same as done for marine spec... Thinking of SF Bay fog and road salt / alkaline dust getting kicked up into the bike. How about the fans as a point of failure, have you gotten a chance to evaluate what happens when a fan shorts out? Are they fused, are the fans easily sourced and replaceable?
P.S. to anyone out there needing a clean looking and no-modification L2 charging inlet install - I'm looking into a run of brackets so you could mount an L2 charging inlet by the passenger foot pegs. Prototype works well, been using it myself lately, direct-message (DM) me if you're interested.
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We're using Electrolube HPA conformal coating - http://www.electrolube.com/core/components/products/tds/044/HPA.pdf (http://www.electrolube.com/core/components/products/tds/044/HPA.pdf).
The fans are EFC-04G12W-BP01 - see photo below. Easy switch in and out via JST connector. Replacement cost is about USD7-10 plus shipping - https://www.yoycart.com/Search?SearchText=EFC-04G12W-BP01&catId=0&catId=0 (https://www.yoycart.com/Search?SearchText=EFC-04G12W-BP01&catId=0&catId=0).
The Emerson R48-2000e3 rectifiers used in our chargers have inbuilt Fan Fault Protection. The rectifier module shuts down and its alarm indicator (red) flashes if the fan fails.
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Are the chargers waterproof?
Hi benswing.
So to confirm again, the chargers aren't waterproof but they are lighter, more compact and 60-70% less expensive per kW than competing chargers for Zero motorcycles. They're proving popular and I'm very pleased that we can open up fast charging to those who may not need or be able to afford the more expensive options.
Great! Thanks for the info. Thanks for adding a charging option to the market!
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Double charger photos showing gloss black finish.
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Looks great! I've been following this thread and am very interested in getting one of these!
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Looks great! I've been following this thread and am very interested in getting one of these!
That's great to hear Blotman! We know it's peak riding season in the northern hemisphere so we're keen to get them to you ASAP so you can spend more time riding your Zeros.
It's a little colder where we are at the moment but we have 8 Zeros doing a group ride next weekend from Sydney to Jenolan Caves and return going over the Blue Mountains. Hoping to see a light dusting of snow and enjoying the scenic Bells Line of Road. All 8 bikes will be using our double chargers running at 7.2kW plus the 1.3kW onboard chargers. With 2 Brammos and a Nissan Leaf also along for the trip we stop at showgrounds along the route where they have lots of power available. We'll be posting some photos here and in the ZMC facebook group.
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Before you plug a huge demand into their source, ask what they can handle. I think I saw a youtube of one guy burning out a rated powertap at a campground and having to pay $$$ before they could leave....
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If you really bring that huge a group demand, someone in the group should have a flir-one or something with them so they can do a walk-thru with the maintenance guy who is responsible for the equipment that provides your power.. They are aware of which circuits are which, and can help you spread the load across their power bus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i30plxSsI2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i30plxSsI2s)
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Good point.
The showgrounds run three phase high powered amusement rides every year so they are used to high draw equipment. The last showground we went to had 8 three phase 32a sockets in one distribution board. That's ~180kW in one board. And they had more than 10 distribution boards at the showground! With 10 bikes and a Leaf our maximum draw is under 90kW. This usually gets split across 2 or 3 distribution boards.
The first time we go to a new showgrounds we contact them a few weeks before the ride to inform them of our power requirements and get their OK and pay a small fee if required as the caretaker usually comes to open up for us and show us the power sockets to use.
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Charger seem locked to sydney since wednesday. Any trouble ? :-/
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Charger seem locked to sydney since wednesday. Any trouble ? :-/
Express delivery to France metro areas is 5 business days with Australia Post - see https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/option/international/AU/FR?fromPostcode=2076 (https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/option/international/AU/FR?fromPostcode=2076). I expect it to be in France by Wednesday since it was sent last Wednesday. 6 of the 7 international shipments sent last Wednesday are in their destination country so yours should be there soon to.
Please send individual support and shipping questions to support@evtricity.com.au.
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* An update on production shipments, charger availability and our recent 9 electric motorcycle road trip powered by EVtricity chargers.
Production charging kits have been sent in the last two weeks to the USA, France, Switzerland, Germany as well owners in Australia. We have now built and shipped over 20 charging kits.
We have double and single charging kits in stock and ready to send. We ship via Australia Post's Express Post service and delivery is generally 5 business days to USA or Europe although can be a little longer with customs in different countries. The service includes tracking so you can see delivery progress.
We have had a delay of supply of the Mennekes plugs for our Type 2 adaptors but we expect to receive them in the next 2-3 days and will ship out to a couple of owners who have been waiting for those.
On our recent electric road trip, we have recorded a "Charging Process" video. I'll post it on Youtube and link to that here. It shows the steps detailed in the User Manual.
Future price changes
One item that I think is important to communicate is that we have purchased the last of the low cost supply of the rectifiers that we use to build the chargers. This low cost supply helped deliver the highest powered Zero charger on the market per dollar (by orders of magnitude over Zero and third party chargers i.e. 2 to 3 times kw per $). While we can purchase rectifiers from other suppliers, the charging kits will increase in price once the current batch are sold. The price increases will be roughly AUD300 (to AUD1240) for a single charger and AUD600 (to AUD2290) for a double charger.
If you are interested in purchasing I would encourage you to do so before the current supply is gone.
Now onto the more exciting electric road trip we did last weekend. We took 7 Zeros - mostly 2014 (S/SR/DS) and one 2016 DSR - bikes on a 400km from Sydney to Jenolan Caves over the famous Blue Mountains along with a couple of Brammo Empulse Rs. The Zero's all used our double chargers which worked flawlessly on the trip. The Brammos are now being configured to support using our double charger to charge two Brammos simultaneously (2 x 4.4kW) along with their 3kW onboard chargers so they can charge at 7.4kW. The 7 Zeros each charged at 7.2-8.5kW (latter with onboard) during the trip.
Have a look at the facebook Zero Motorcycle Owners Group for photos and videos from the trip. I've attached a couple of photos of the bikes and charging below. It was a great trip and what riding electric motorcycles is all about. As one of the group put it - Charge Fast, Ride Fast.
Enjoy riding your Zero however and whenever you can!
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I am awaiting a feedback of those buyers, who ordered from Germany...
Did everything work fine? What did the customs say?
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I am curious. Do you have any plans to build any chargers with 2x the higher-power Emerson 3500W rectifiers?
Or is the cost just too high? The size of r48-3500e3 appears similar.
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I am awaiting a feedback of those buyers, who ordered from Germany...
Did everything work fine? What did the customs say?
I'll ask our buyers from Germany if they can add their feedback here.
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I am curious. Do you have any plans to build any chargers with 2x the higher-power Emerson 3500W rectifiers?
Or is the cost just too high? The size of r48-3500e3 appears similar.
Nice discovery!
No plans to use the r48-3500e3 at this stage. The r48-3500e3 is 8cm longer at 33cm and power derates at 45C so not quite as good as the r48-2000e3 at 25cm and 65C respectively. Power density per volume and weight is better though. A 7000W DC, ~7300W AC unit could be built and I suspect that the price may be similar to the 4 x r48-2000e3.
I'm contacting suppliers at the moment so will bear this one in mind but I think the main issue is the extra length of 8cm.
In terms of future plans (2018+) I have been considering a 3000W rectifier that has 98% efficiency, even better than the 96% efficiency of the r48-2000e3 we currently use and is more compact and lower weight per kW. But the r48-2000e3 has the most comprehensive features of any rectifier I have found (the AC input limit being very useful to tailor to each Zero owner's available power) and very versatile with the 2000W power level so it will be hard to beat.
Any new rectifier takes months to purchase, decipher the CAN messaging, design and build the PCB connectors, design and build the solid charger case and test everything many times so I don't expect to be releasing a new charging kit with different rectifiers until at least 2018.
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4 days after my PO, the charger kit arrived here in Germany. 5 days for customs, another 2 for local delivery.
After receiving the kit, I immediately drove to a charging point. The single kit with my charge tank type1 makes 7.1 kw, with the side port 5.7 kW. Less space needed (than the quiq charger), more power. Good technical support (related to the charge fuse and DC power cable).
Great. Really great.
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Funny that the "zeit bis voll geladen" shows 0:00
As do my app. Grrr
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Yes, the app shows room for improvements :-)
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Feedback from France.
Delivery :
It Take approx 8 days to deliver (end to end). Big shipping issue. Box (carton) was a little scratched.
Unboxing :
Charger is well protected with lot of moss and bubble plastic. Protection could be enhanced with some plastic parts to fix the charger inside the carton to avoid move during shipping.
But charger was damaged during shipping :(
1 plastic gland was broken, and rear grid was damaged.
Support :
I contacted David (evtricity). Support was fast and efficiency. David explained me how to repair the grid. He also propose me to send a new grid and cable gland.
I fixed the grid issue.
As it was not easy for me (french) to understand, we have planed a meeting with skype a sunday (really nice support !)
He take 1 hour to explain me in detail, with demonstration, how to change the cable gland.
Now it's clear, david will send me a new cable gland, and i'm confident about changing it.
If i wasn't, he proposed me to send back the charger to Germany for a free repair.
Usage :
As the broken parts are only cosmetic, i can use the charger (carefully)
Tried yesterday in my track session. It change the life !
Charger work fine : 8kW charging power with onboard charger. Anounced time 50min to charge from 25% to 100%.
In fact, charging power start to decrease when bike reach 90%. So charge 90% to 100% take more time than charge from 0% to 90%. But it's probably the same wilth all safe charging solution to not damage the battery. Just remember you can charge from 0 to 80% in approx 1 hour ;-)
So, Great product, Great support. I strongly recommand Evtricity for this external charging solution !
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Is there any chance you guys could design a WiFi connection to the DBI port (I think thats what its called) so Zero US could connect to the bike now they have pulled out of Australia?
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Is there any chance you guys could design a WiFi connection to the DBI port (I think thats what its called) so Zero US could connect to the bike now they have pulled out of Australia?
I have a connector for the Main Bike Board and for the Sevcon Controller. Both use the OBDII port. Don't really need Wifi per se, you just need to plug in a laptop with the right adaptor (probably the IXXAT USB to CAN adaptor for the Sevcon) and software into the OBDII and have the Zero US guys remote access into the laptop and diagnose from there.
Email me at support@evtricity.com.au and I'll help however I can to get your bike going.
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Hello,
Do somebody now what the import tax is for Europe. (Belgium)?
I'm interested.
With friendly regards
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For Germany the fee was 22% in total (19 tax plus 3 customs).
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I like that the free chargepoint level 1 chargers around here are all NEMA 20 So for now I got some nice 20A cables till I can get the more expensive J1772 3 way custom cable
so, will be carrying 2x NEMA 20 - C19 & 1x NEMA 15 - C13(stock cable) instead to use what's available for free for now... of course it needs more level one plug stations than just a single J1772 So there is that Huge drawback. (but on some of the free ones the J1772 is offline but level ones are working....)
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Hopefully in a week or two i can tell about the Danish costums and VAT.
That is if the Danish postalservice can get their fingers out their a..
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6 days, order to door. WOW
Only critique, Shipping, the cardboard is far too light a grade for the weight, and air packaging pops with this weight, and the loose fill shifts when the cardboard deforms that much from just the weight.
It would fail a 30" drop test for sure edge/corner
http://images.fedex.com/us/services/pdf/PKG_Testing_Under150Lbs.pdf (http://images.fedex.com/us/services/pdf/PKG_Testing_Under150Lbs.pdf)
quarter inch closed cell foam isn't that expensive, and could be used as a wrap, Easiest, or laminated (spray adhesive is cheap) into a custom protection like that pictured that was designed for a similar weight item.
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The evtricity charger (single kit) and the charge tank are a good combination. To feed both chargers by the same Type 2 source, I combined the evtricity Mennekes-adapter with this
https://r-evc.com/en/type-1/12-type-1-j1772-16a.html
cable. It is adjustable in 1A steps from 6 to 16, so you can cover a range from 1.6 kW to 7.1 kW with less space needed (compared to the Zero Type 2-1 cable plus the quiq charger with its cables).
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I've also used cheap wrapping cardboard that would provide more protection when wrapped properly.
(the closed cell foam is still best...)
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Hopefully in a week or two i can tell about the Danish costums and VAT.
That is if the Danish postalservice can get their fingers out their a..
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Arrived at CPH AirPort this morning. Now it's up to customs and postal service.
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Thanks for the suggestions on the packaging. I'll improve the packing going forward to give the chargers more protection.
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Hopefully in a week or two i can tell about the Danish costums and VAT.
That is if the Danish postalservice can get their fingers out their a..
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Just recieved my charger. Package seemed ok, but when i opened it, one of the strainreleeves (if thats what its called) was broken, its the one on the 230v side, luckily, as if a short develops here, it'll just blow a mains fuse. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170705/288d5da7e1b4238edc4522f5fd889ddb.jpg)
So for future customers please use a sturdier protection.
Othervise it looks really good. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170705/6bfcf647754161510e534b69627de5ec.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170705/9a0de807a6c74dd50b536ab674ba8e62.jpg)
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My apologies.
The broken piece is an M20 cable gland. It's a common part, a couple dollars each. This is the second one that has been broken and as noted earlier I will be packing the chargers more securely going forward. I can organise a replacement but it will likely be faster to pick up the part from your local electricity supplies shop.
To remove and replace the gland requires you to remove the IEC C20 sockets. I can show you how to do that on Skype if you wish. It's a 15 minute job and you're back to new.
The charger cases are literally bullet proof, unfortunately the cable glands are not. With better packing the issue should be rectified for new buyers going forward.
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Hello, i have ordered a 6,6 kw
I'm looking forward to it.
Grtz from Belgium
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I ordered a single charger. Arrived within 6 days of order (Colorado Western Slope). My first use, combined with the onboard, was delivering between 5000 and 5500W. From 50% to full was 45 minutes. AWESOME. Expectations exceeded.
2016 SR with 13.0 pack using a juicebox 40A charger.
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I don't know if you have ever seen the parcel guys handle parcels, but what many do is stand on the ground and throw the parcels into the back of the trucks or out of the truck onto the ground. So you can test your packing by doing the same.
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Stock update, July 11th 2017 ...
We have 5 double 6.6kW+ charging kits available for purchase.
We have sold out of our current stock of single 3.3kW+ chargers. We have enough components to build six more single charging kits however there has been a delay with the supply of our custom charger cases so it will be approximately two weeks before we have single chargers in stock and ready to configure and ship again.
As noted previously, we had procured the rectifiers used in our charging kits at a very low price which we passed onto purchasers. We are actively looking for a low cost supplier of new rectifiers however we have not made additional purchases at this time. This may result in us delaying the availability of charging kits once the stock of single and double charger kits (5 and 6 units respectively) is gone and/or increasing the prices.
Stock availability is always shown on the EVtricity web site for each product so you can check there rather than browsing through this forum topic. We endeavour to ship within 2 business days of an order however we had seven orders since last Wednesday and it may take a day or two longer to get them out!
We've been genuinely surprised with the positive response from this forum to our products and really hope that everyone who has purchased them has been able to get more time on their Zeros as that's what we have set out to do.
Charge fast, ride fast!
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we had procured the rectifiers used in our charging kits at a very low price which we passed onto purchasers. We are actively looking for a low cost supplier of new rectifiers however we have not made additional purchases at this time.
What are the specs you're looking for?
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What are the specs you're looking for?
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Emerson R48-2000e3 is the model we have been using. We have built and tested around this rectifier and are very happy with it as the base for our charging kits.
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I ordered a single charger. Arrived within 6 days of order (Colorado Western Slope). My first use, combined with the onboard, was delivering between 5000 and 5500W. From 50% to full was 45 minutes. AWESOME. Expectations exceeded.
2016 SR with 13.0 pack using a juicebox 40A charger.
Did you have to pay any import duties ordering this into the US?
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I have been very happy with my single 3.3kW charger, though I am now wishing I had bought the double 6.6kW charger.
If someone wants a 3.3kW charger, perhaps we could set up an exchange (I'm in the US, if that makes a difference for shipping). Mine is still in the exact same condition as when I bought it.
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Hopefully in a week or two i can tell about the Danish costums and VAT.
That is if the Danish postalservice can get their fingers out their a..
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By the way the customs and handling fee (Denmark) was 2500kr or about 340€
I must say the service from Evtricity is good, they answer any emails within hours, and i've send them a couple.
Had my first attempt at rapid charging today. Great experience!! charged at 30/60/75Amps on one,
two respectively three phase's. This is really an augmentation of the bikes usability.
I did have a little problem with my Mennekes adaptor, i did the soldering of the signal part my self (two resistors and one diode),
first time i tried it it didn't work, i contacted the chargepoint provider E-on, and their technician told me that they could see that
I had opened the chargepoint, but it didn't open the"tap's".
On my way home (30km) I wondered what could have gone wrong, and agreed to myself, that the only possible failure in the Mennekes
Had to be wrong polarity of the diode. At home I changed the polarity of the diode and drove back to the charge station,
and DANG, the juice flow'd freely. I used the onboard charger to test it.
An other thing worth mentioning is: it's very difficult to attach the DC cable to the AUX port on the bike, IF u're using side cases from Givi.
The Zero folk's should do their homework properly, and move the port to somewhere you dont need to crawl on hands and knees to
reach the port, and with the Givi mounting hardware it's not possible to mate the sbs75x of the bike to the one of the charger.
I ended up making an extension, long enough to get it up in to a reasonable height.
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Does anyone in the US who has ordered these have any import duty experiences to share?
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i did the soldering of the signal part my self (two resistors and one diode),
What kind of cable did you use?
2,5 mm² ?
3 phases contacted in the Type 2 plug?
Greetings,
Uwe
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I ordered a 6.6 kW charger + Mennekes adapter yesterday.
Now I am a bit worried, do I also have to make some diode soldering to the adapter before I can use it? Or was your adapter faulty, skoleskibe?
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I ordered a 6.6 kW charger + Mennekes adapter yesterday.
Now I am a bit worried, do I also have to make some diode soldering to the adapter before I can use it? Or was your adapter faulty, skoleskibe?
The Mennekes adaptor skoleskibe has is not one bought from us.
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I ordered a 6.6 kW charger + Mennekes adapter yesterday.
Now I am a bit worried, do I also have to make some diode soldering to the adapter before I can use it? Or was your adapter faulty, skoleskibe?
The Mennekes adaptor skoleskibe has is not one bought from us.
Our EVtricity Mennekes adaptors are complete and ready to use on Mennekes Type 2 stations and Tesla destination charging stations that use the same Mennekes Type 2 plug format (ie. Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong), and like all our chargers, the adaptors are each tested before we send them to customers.
My mennekes is homemade, nothing to do with evtricity. ;-)
On a 340km trip, no problem, the charger works like a charm.
Thx evtricity
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I ordered a 6.6 kW charger + Mennekes adapter yesterday.
Now I am a bit worried, do I also have to make some diode soldering to the adapter before I can use it? Or was your adapter faulty, skoleskibe?
The Mennekes adaptor skoleskibe has is not one bought from us.
Our EVtricity Mennekes adaptors are complete and ready to use on Mennekes Type 2 stations and Tesla destination charging stations that use the same Mennekes Type 2 plug format (ie. Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong), and like all our chargers, the adaptors are each tested before we send them to customers.
Ah ok! Sorry fo the confusion!
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Very pleased you're enjoying the extra time on your Zero skoleskibe.
The forum topic is about fast charging but really it's a means to enjoying riding your Zero even more.
A mate of mine coined the phrase "Charge fast. Ride fast." You may find yourself going faster too!
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i did the soldering of the signal part my self (two resistors and one diode),
What kind of cable did you use?
2,5 mm² ?
3 phases contacted in the Type 2 plug?
Greetings,
Uwe
I used 2,5mmsq 3phase rubber coated wire from the mennekes connector which I fan out to two c19 connectors for the evtricity charger and one c13 connector for the onboard charger. I soldered it all together, and wrapped it in professional heavyduty heat schrink with glue. Work like a charm, and no bulky box on the cable. Might take a picture of the mennekes tomorrow.
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i did the soldering of the signal part my self (two resistors and one diode),
What kind of cable did you use?
2,5 mm² ?
3 phases contacted in the Type 2 plug?
Greetings,
Uwe
I used 2,5mmsq 3phase rubber coated wire from the mennekes connector which I fan out to two c19 connectors for the evtricity charger and one c13 connector for the onboard charger. I soldered it all together, and wrapped it in professional heavyduty heat schrink with glue. Work like a charm, and no bulky box on the cable. Might take a picture of the mennekes tomorrow.
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So yesterday I tested my new 6.6 kw charger for the first time. What a great experience to see the percent going up.
My package from Australia had no damages at all and the charger as well as the mennekes work fine.
Thanks to David for this worthy charger and the perfect communication. I will start next week on a 4 weeks trip with my son together on the DS. Now the seat and not the capaticity will tell when the day ends.
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Placed an order on mine. Too bad they're already backordered! Excited for my first quick charger.
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I will be getting my 6.6 version in the coming days. Can't wait to try it out and open up the road to more riding.
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Looking at this charger it would be great to be able to mount it on the bike in its own waterproof case, say, under the top box rack. Looking at my rack you would need a specially made rack to accommodate this, but there looks to be enough room there to do it, you might have to raise the top box up one or two cm but that no biggy if you are designing it from scratch. You would just open both ends of the waterproof case for charging.
I am thinking the charger would mount east/west across the bike with a bulge for the cables underneath (charger upside down).
This is for a single unit only of course.
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it would be great to be able to mount it on the bike in its own waterproof case
Not allowed with these chargers, because of vibrations. Have a look in this thread: The purpose is the occasional quick charging and transport in a vibration absorbing setting.
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Here a short impression of charging a Zero with the 6.6 kW charger.
https://youtu.be/9rRBzwJYWAw (https://youtu.be/9rRBzwJYWAw)
There seems to be new chargers in the shop (4.4 and 8.8 kW)...
@skoleskibe: Here's my new cable an plug:
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Does anyone in the US who has ordered these have any import duty experiences to share?
I purchased a single when they first came available. David is an excellent communicator and very easy to work with. I love the charger! I have done 4 ride/charge cycles in a single day....easily over 200 miles.
I did not have to pay any import duties (Colorado).
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Here a short impression of charging a Zero with the 6.6 kW charger.
https://youtu.be/9rRBzwJYWAw (https://youtu.be/9rRBzwJYWAw)
There seems to be new chargers in the shop (4.4 and 8.8 kW)...
@skoleskibe: Here's my new cable an plug:
Nice, ! Have you ever had to use the switch? Is it a holding switch or just a spring loaded contact?
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Update as of 24th July 2017 - thank you to everyone who has purchased or shown interest in our chargers. We have now delivered close to 300kW of double and single chargers in the last two months across the USA, Europe and Australia. We're very pleased to have been able to offer Zero owners lower cost fast charging for those whose needs match the capabilities of our products.
Due to the lower demand for the single chargers and increase in cost of the rectifiers we use as the basis for these charging kits, we will only be offering the double chargers once the remaining single chargers are sold out (there are three left as of 24th July). The price of the double chargers will increase from AUD1690 to AUD1990. I've updated the thread title to recognise this as well as the Aussie dollar's increasing strength against the US dollar in recent weeks. All pricing will remain in AUD so please check the conversion for your currency. Pricing includes Express International delivery and tracking but does not include any local import duties or sales tax/VAT. We have secured supply of more rectifiers so that the next batch of double chargers will be available in September. Pre-orders are welcome as are questions to support@evtricity.com.au. We have also modified the charger power on our online shop and in this thread title to reflect the full capabilities of the chargers i.e. they are 4kW DC (4.4kW AC) and 8kW DC (8.8kW AC) for the single and double charger respectively. We are happy to configure lower current settings (and corresponding power output) if you need to be able to use the chargers on 15A or 16A circuits.
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Hi,
I just wanted to check if one of these chargers can be configured to be used on Victory/Brammo Empulse motorcycles. Can i please get some more information?
I own a 2016 Victory Empulse TT.
Thanks!
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Hi,
I just wanted to check if one of these chargers can be configured to be used on Victory/Brammo Empulse motorcycles. Can i please get some more information?
I own a 2016 Victory Empulse TT.
Thanks!
Hi shayan,
We have sold a double charger to allow a Brammo owner to charge two Brammos simultaneously in conjunction with the existing J1772 onboard charger (so ~7kW DC each bike). However they have had to do the integration themselves to to connect into the Brammo as we don't offer a DC fast charge cable that supports that with stock Brammos as we do with Zeros.
I can get in touch with them if you like and see how they have progressed in configuring that setup.
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That would certainly be great! It would be very helpful to know how they did the integration, especially if any new hardware like the DC fast charge cable was needed. Also, i see that the single chargers are limited in quantity. Do you plan to get more single chargers in stock in the near future?
Also, can that information please be posted in the "Brammo" section of the forum so that any Empulse owners who could be potentially interested get this information as well?
Thank you!
-Shayan
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That would certainly be great! It would be very helpful to know how they did the integration, especially if any new hardware like the DC fast charge cable was needed. Also, i see that the single chargers are limited in quantity. Do you plan to get more single chargers in stock in the near future?
Also, can that information please be posted in the "Brammo" section of the forum so that any Empulse owners who could be potentially interested get this information as well?
Thank you!
-Shayan
Hi Shayan,
I will endeavour to find out about the Brammo integration and if the owner is happy to share then I can post that on the forum.
At this stage we are probably not going to be making more single chargers when the remaining stock sells. The double chargers have out sold the single chargers by more than two to one and while we have been able to absorb some of the extra costs of the more expensive rectifier supply with the double chargers, there isn't sufficient margin on the single chargers to do that without a significant price increase.
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Aah i see, it would be great information in any case. I can certainly foresee interest from the Empulse community for one of these chargers :)
-Shayan
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Just recieved my charger. Package seemed ok, but when i opened it, one of the strainreleeves (if thats what its called) was broken.... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170705/288d5da7e1b4238edc4522f5fd889ddb.jpg)
I also had a damage on one of the cable glands / strain releeves. I changed it with the help of David, but meanwhile improved the cable glands.
It's a bit tricky to do that on a ready made charger, but was possible.
The cables go to the side anyway, so I used angled cable glands:
(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Schnelllader_Zero5.jpg)
(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Schnelllader_Zero6.jpg)
And a very well fitting transport solution for my yellow Zero S I found as well:
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(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Case3.jpg)
Next step will be installing a foldable handle :)
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Just recieved my charger. Package seemed ok, but when i opened it, one of the strainreleeves (if thats what its called) was broken.... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170705/288d5da7e1b4238edc4522f5fd889ddb.jpg)
I also had a damage on one of the cable glands / strain releeves. I changed it with the help of David, but meanwhile improved the cable glands.
It's a bit tricky to do that on a ready made charger, but was possible.
The cables go to the side anyway, so I used angled cable glands:
(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Schnelllader_Zero5.jpg)
(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Schnelllader_Zero6.jpg)
And a very well fitting transport solution for my yellow Zero S I found as well:
(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Case1.jpg)
(http://www.uwereimann.de/zero/Case3.jpg)
Next step will be installing a foldable handle :)
Just recieved a new cablegland from David. Must say, really good service, as i told them that i was ok with buying one locally, as the postage cost is higher than the price of the gland.
Thx David.
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Now with handle. Very simple solution.
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And now everything what I showed above is on the Bike :D
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And now everything what I showed above is on the Bike :D
That looks really good, the idea of the handle you must have stolen from me ;-)
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Progress update - production charging kits being sent on Tuesday 13th June
The first batch of 20+ charger cases have been finished and we will building all the pre-ordered chargers this weekend (thank you to those who have pre-ordered and been waiting patiently for their deliveries). We will have the cases on Friday and will update the online shop photos with images of the black gloss double chargers.
As testing in Europe and USA has gone as expected, we are pleased to announce that we will be shipping both pre-orders and new orders from Tuesday 13th June with deliveries reaching overseas customers from the w/c 19th June.
Please go to http://evtricity.com.au/shop (http://evtricity.com.au/shop) if you wish to purchase one of our charging kits for Zero 2014-2017 motorcycles. If you have any questions, please email us at support@evtricity.com.au.
I’m sorry, did you say USA capable as well?
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Yes, they can be used in the USA as they support a wide voltage range including 110V (but they provide double the power output on 220V).
We have delivered more than a dozen chargers since June to Zero owners in the USA who use a combination of NEMA sockets and J1772 to power them.
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Theses metalic pipes seem a very good replacement of plastic cable glands !
Have you a link for this parts ?
Dont know why evtricity didnt use this kind of pipe directly.
Nice handle too.
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I have been testing a few different metal cable glands and am happy with this Lapp Kabel one - https://products.lappgroup.com/online-catalogue/cable-glands/skintop-metric-nickel-plated-brass-cable-glands/skintop-ms-m/skintop-ms-m.html (https://products.lappgroup.com/online-catalogue/cable-glands/skintop-metric-nickel-plated-brass-cable-glands/skintop-ms-m/skintop-ms-m.html). The specific model # is 53112020. They have a short lower thread length which is necessary to provide sufficient clearance for the cables and PCB components that they plug into. In the attached photo, it is the cable gland on the left. They will also fit the 2x5mm cable gland inserts used for the DC cables in all of our chargers.
We will use this or a better metal cable gland for all chargers shipped going forward to prevent the issue some owners have had with a cable gland being broken during shipping.
While I don't think it's necessary to upgrade the plastic cable glands for those who already have one of our chargers, if you want to do that I can provide instructions (support@evtricity.com.au). You can purchase these specific cable glands from a range of sellers - eBay/element14/Farnell etc and cost is AUD6-12 each plus shipping.
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Have you a link for this parts ?
Only for Germany: https://www.conrad.de/de/winkelverschraubung-m20-messing-messing-lappkabel-skindicht-rwv-m20-x-15-1-st-600961.html (https://www.conrad.de/de/winkelverschraubung-m20-messing-messing-lappkabel-skindicht-rwv-m20-x-15-1-st-600961.html)
Dont know why evtricity didnt use this kind of pipe directly.
Because everything is a process of development :)
Nice handle too.
An improvement would be, if there would be a thread directly in the top of the housing.
So, everyone can screw down a handle if desired (with not too long screws!)
Greetings,
Uwe
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Great news Evtricity, nice change ! Finaly you have chosen same form factor for your metalic gland than the previous plastic one :)
Dont know why evtricity didnt use this kind of pipe directly.
Because everything is a process of development :)
Yes, no trouble.
In fact, the first thing in my mind when i unboxed my charger was : "Why, by the hell, used a PLASTIC gland on an heavy metallic box. I will have to move it very carefully".
Thanks for the links. As i have to replace 1 broken gland, i consider the option to change it by a metallic one.
The pipe seem a better option because when not in use, the connectors can stay on the charger, less constraint on the cable... And also, lower height for travel.
Conrad is also available in France, so no problem :)
Evtricity, does the output cable gland not harder to change than the input ?
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Update as of 5th October - after a delay in receipt of the custom charger cases, the final double chargers will be shipping from Tuesday 10th October. There are 6 new double chargers remaining for purchase at http://evtricity.com.au/shop and these will be the final EVtricity chargers that will be offered in 2017. We will continue to provide support to all of our charger owners and truly appreciate the emails and pictures about how you've been able to enjoy longer trips on your Zeros. We've been warmly supported by almost everyone in the Zero community we've engaged with in our endeavour to provide lower cost fast charging and have shipped almost sixty 3.3-8.8kW chargers worldwide in just 5 months. A sincere thank you to all the EVtricity charger owners.
On a personal note I have been splitting my time between the EVtricity Zero chargers and a new electricity comparison and energy saving service for Australian households at https://wattever.com.au. I'll be devoting the majority of my working time to wattever.com.au over the next few months while continuing to provide support to EVtricity charger owners in 2017 and 2018. I'm also hoping to ride my SR a little more and enjoy spring and summer in Australia.
In terms of future charging solutions, we have some new Zero fast charging options - in addition to what we have provided in 2017 - that we will be evaluating over coming months. In 2018, we'll assess whether there is an opportunity to again provide fast charging options for Zero motorcycles.
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Someone in europe wanting to sell me his used one? :) need a cheap addition to my 3.8kw chargetank. I was able to use a friends single unit with my chargetank for 2 or 3 times, works like a champ. ;D
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My eVtriciy charger works just as intended.
Happy wit it ;-)
It has it’s own givi topbox with padding and securing straps. Thus at start of a long trip i just swap my normal givi to my evtricity givi.
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I really want one of these too. I wish EVTricity (or someone) would make something like this again at a reasonable price.
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@kashography and Scotchman: get in touch with Otten in Germany. They imported the last EVTricity chargers and have a solution for sure.