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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: ticobrahe on January 27, 2017, 01:49:34 AM
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Hola!
After reviewing some of the older threads, it appears that pitbull rear stands work with Zeros. Can anybody confirm that this one is the best model to get?
http://www.pit-bull.com/product/F0028-000.html (http://www.pit-bull.com/product/F0028-000.html)
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pit-bull-ss-rear-stand#skus_tab (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pit-bull-ss-rear-stand#skus_tab)
My concern is the rear brake line runs just above the right side swing arm and I wanna make sure there is enough clearance to easily line up the flat part of the swingarm with the stand (when solo) and not running risk of pinching the brake line.
Thanks for any input and recs!
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I use a cheapo, $30 Harbor Freight stand for my S model and never had any issues. I don't THINK there is that much difference between the S and the SR in this regard.
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I use a cheapo, $30 Harbor Freight stand for my S model and never had any issues. I don't THINK there is that much difference between the S and the SR in this regard.
I've got that same stand but never had a chance (or need yet) to test it on SR. I might try it during weekend and post some pics.
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I use this one on a 2014 S and a 2017 SR. It's a little cheaper because it doesn't have the removable handle and doesn't have the spool option, just the rubber pads.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pit-bull-standard-rear-stand (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pit-bull-standard-rear-stand)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w410/TheMrwilsn/IMG_20161008_033727_zps6thdi7zy.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/TheMrwilsn/media/IMG_20161008_033727_zps6thdi7zy.jpg.html)
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I use a cheapo, $30 Harbor Freight stand for my S model and never had any issues. I don't THINK there is that much difference between the S and the SR in this regard.
I've got that same stand but never had a chance (or need yet) to test it on SR. I might try it during weekend and post some pics.
Funny, I called my local harbor freight this morning to see if they had any, and was about to head down there to get the $30 model you mentioned. Then figured, "maybe something like this, I should at least give 5 minutes of internet research"... Found a ton of folks complaining theirs failed due to crappy welding. Like, failed on day one or day two type complaints bc of weld quality. That's when I came here and searched to see if anybody had discussed stands for their zero's... and that's how I came across the pitbull thread(s).
Tough to swallow $150 for a stand, but I couldn't imagine the swirling fog of chaos and bad intention my brain housing group would be in if I put my $17K SR onto a $30 stand that failed and dropped the bike.
Glad to hear both of you are getting solid results from yours.
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I use this one on a 2014 S and a 2017 SR. It's a little cheaper because it doesn't have the removable handle and doesn't have the spool option, just the rubber pads.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pit-bull-standard-rear-stand (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pit-bull-standard-rear-stand)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w410/TheMrwilsn/IMG_20161008_033727_zps6thdi7zy.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/TheMrwilsn/media/IMG_20161008_033727_zps6thdi7zy.jpg.html)
Awesome! Glad to hear it works without messing with the brake line. Thanks for sharing the photo. I'm going to grab the spool dual-purpose one so I can also use it on my other bikes.
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My local Zero dealer uses the dual purpose one and it also works great for the Zero and the other bikes they work on as well. It should work great for you. 😀
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This one is probably the best bang for the buck.
http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-3-PIECE-STEEL-SWINGARM-RACE-STAND-L-BRACKET.html (http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-3-PIECE-STEEL-SWINGARM-RACE-STAND-L-BRACKET.html)
I have the other one but I'm running spools.
This one jacks up whole bike. Works great for FX/FXS that have a flat bottom. Not sure what's under the other models though.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/28665/i/msr-pro-lift-stand (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/28665/i/msr-pro-lift-stand)
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I added a couple of the recommendations to the wiki and linked here: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift)
I use a rear stand for my V-Strom that does not quite grab the Zero rear swingarm as well as I'd like, so I've dragged my feet on finding a new one. But I have a ratcheting center lift which works fine when I occasionally need one.
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Thanks for this thread.
I am planning on using a lift under the bottom charger cradle, since I think I read on zeromanual.com that it supports the bike.
Can you guys confirm that?
I have a 2017 DSR 419 lbs with 100% full tank ;D
I lifted it partially up for my SAG base measurement, front and back independently with a little car jack, but would like to lift it front and back up completely.
Rider7
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This one is probably the best bang for the buck.
http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-3-PIECE-STEEL-SWINGARM-RACE-STAND-L-BRACKET.html (http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-3-PIECE-STEEL-SWINGARM-RACE-STAND-L-BRACKET.html)
I have the other one but I'm running spools.
This one jacks up whole bike. Works great for FX/FXS that have a flat bottom. Not sure what's under the other models though.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/28665/i/msr-pro-lift-stand (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/28665/i/msr-pro-lift-stand)
Ha, I have that MSR pro lift stand that works great with my Honda and Triumph, but is a bit too tall (I believe the lowest setting available is 9.5", which is still a couple inches too tall) for my SR. The SR sits frickin low to the ground. It's about 7" or so off the ground. That's why I'm looking for a rear stand. I LOVE that MSR lift. Really wished it would work with my SR.
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I added a couple of the recommendations to the wiki and linked here: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift)
I use a rear stand for my V-Strom that does not quite grab the Zero rear swingarm as well as I'd like, so I've dragged my feet on finding a new one. But I have a ratcheting center lift which works fine when I occasionally need one.
Hey Brian, just saw what you linked (MSR pro lift stand) in the wiki... I can confirm it will not work with an SR (and S for that matter). Even on it's lowest to the ground setting (9.5"), it is still a couple inches too high off the ground to get under the center of the bike. Ironically, that is what was the impetus for starting this thread earlier today when I asked about rear stands.
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I bought the $30 stand after another member of my club recommended it. He's had his for years, and has had more motorcycles in that time than anybody I know (I think he replaces the bike rather than get the oil changed but I could be mistaken). In any event he's used the same stand on all of his bikes without issue.
It won't work on either of my two BMWs due to their single-sided swingarms, but then I don't HAVE to because they both came equipped with center stands. I bought the track stand for the Zero to make belt adjustments easier.
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If anyone has a Cycle Gear near them, it might be worth checking out.
Every time I walk in, they have lots of stuff on "sale". Haven't had many
problems and any that I have had were handled quickly and easily.
Here is a link to their stand page.
https://www.cyclegear.com/search?_utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=stand&commit=Search (https://www.cyclegear.com/search?_utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=stand&commit=Search)
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...I have the other one but I'm running spools...
@Say10 Can you explain / make a how-to for tapping spools on the Zero frame, if that's what you've done?
Anyone else tapped the Zero frame for spools? Would love to know what location is best and how it worked out for you...
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Currently running spools through the axle with threaded rod. I am machining a few sets of axle blocks with integrated threads for spools. For the FX/FXS but I think all the rear axles are the same so should work on any '13+.
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I thought you can't use any kind of center stand with S/SR because unlike DS/R with metal skid plate, S/SR has plastic one and it will crush under bike's weight.
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Currently running spools through the axle with threaded rod.
I love that idea. I'm about ready to toss my flimsy cheapo stand, and I can definitely see the advantage of the spools.
What size/thread of rod did you use? Do the spools come already threaded internally or did you have to cut your own threads?
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So, I take that as a yes, the center pan of the DSR can support the bike unlike the SR pan.
It looks sturdy and feels sturdy.
Another option I have not seen anybody mentione is the abba stand.
I build a copy of the abba stand for my ZRX-1200R.
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1 (http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1)
If you turn adapters big enough to fit into the large either center frame hole or swingarm hole, it should work just fine.
Rider7
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I added a couple of the recommendations to the wiki and linked here: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift)
I use a rear stand for my V-Strom that does not quite grab the Zero rear swingarm as well as I'd like, so I've dragged my feet on finding a new one. But I have a ratcheting center lift which works fine when I occasionally need one.
Hey Brian, just saw what you linked (MSR pro lift stand) in the wiki... I can confirm it will not work with an SR (and S for that matter). Even on it's lowest to the ground setting (9.5"), it is still a couple inches too high off the ground to get under the center of the bike. Ironically, that is what was the impetus for starting this thread earlier today when I asked about rear stands.
Very good point. It probably isn't really suitable for the DS either. I've tweaked the entry slightly and will check which lift I'm using and add that because it's adjustable.
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That said, I'll turn some adapters for both potential pickup points and let you know if works and you can decide to either build yourself one or buy the abba stand and just turn the adapters and and use that as an alternative to a paddock stand.
I know that I loved having the freedom of a completely free suspended swingarm, since especially for a belt change, you need it.
The abba stand then also comes with an additional (optional) arm that allows to tie the swing arm down to it and lift the front up into a hover.
I accomplished that on my copy by simply tying the rear down to the stand with soft ties and ratchets to the stand. It worked on my ZRX which is 100 lbs heavier than the DSR.
I took the forks out and all with no sweat since the stand and the tie downs created a sturdy tight unit that I trusted.
Anyway, just some alternatives to the paddock stands.
Rider7
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hey, so it's been asked a couple times already but I haven't seen any of the elders of the group respond yet... does the S/SR plastic underside support center stand lift functionality. I was told a number of times that it does by my dealers mechanic, but they sell about 1 zero a month and have a comparable basis of zero knowledge and wisdom (but they do sell a ton of triumphs, aprilias, and nortons)
Has any of our group's users had favorable results from center lift use w/ their S/SR? The plastic holds up well after long stretches lifted and no warping or cracking or anything? Thanks for input.
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So, I take that as a yes, the center pan of the DSR can support the bike unlike the SR pan.
It looks sturdy and feels sturdy.
Another option I have not seen anybody mentione is the abba stand.
I build a copy of the abba stand for my ZRX-1200R.
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1 (http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1)
If you turn adapters big enough to fit into the large either center frame hole or swingarm hole, it should work just fine.
Rider7
Seems to me if you were going to make a stand the best current contact point would be the big frame pipe. Just something soft covering the stand contact points to not damage the frame.
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hey, so it's been asked a couple times already but I haven't seen any of the elders of the group respond yet... does the S/SR plastic underside support center stand lift functionality. I was told a number of times that it does by my dealers mechanic, but they sell about 1 zero a month and have a comparable basis of zero knowledge and wisdom (but they do sell a ton of triumphs, aprilias, and nortons)
Has any of our group's users had favorable results from center lift use w/ their S/SR? The plastic holds up well after long stretches lifted and no warping or cracking or anything? Thanks for input.
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went ahead and rolled the dice that nothing would get damaged and everything worked fine. the plastic held up fine while the SR was on the center lift, no noticeable stress to the underside at all. went for a short ride after lowering and bike rode as normal. don't see any noticeable issues. its all good in the hood.
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New2elec,
uI agree, going right to the frame, that is the principle of these stands, since it allows you to lift the bike in the back and the front when needed.
I'd have to test how the leverage is for the tie downs to pull the bike about the pivot axis. Maybe I'd have to add the additional lever that abba stand makes for front end lift.
On my ZRX I didn't have to add that lever and that thing has this massive 1200 cc block I it too.
It really all depends on the lever lengths about the CG.
Also, I'll send a message to them and ask if they have a zero stand planned.
All they do is make the adapters for any possible frame pickup points on all the different models.
In terms of damage to the frame.
I won't have time to turn an adapter very soon, but will report back when I have.
If I turn it big enough, there will be so little play that no real movement of the adapters will be possible and it cannot dmamage the frame pipe besides maybe minor marks form sliding it in and out.
Rider7
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Seems to me if you were going to make a stand the best current contact point would be the big frame pipe. Just something soft covering the stand contact points to not damage the frame.
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An adapter for the swingarm tube with holes threaded for spools would be brilliant or no? Maybe make it some kind of storage compartment. Any problems with this idea for balance / clearances?
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i like mine. had to get the swing arm adapters but still was only $60 or so. it is an SRD if i remember correctly.
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laters,
laramie ;)
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@ticobrahe,
if you put your SR on that cover, heck, I'll put my DSR on it, it should hold the bike plus a small elephant. Thanks for testing it :)
Rider7
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i like mine. had to get the swing arm adapters but still was only $60 or so. it is an SRD if i remember correctly.
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laters,
laramie ;)
Laramie,
did you attach a picture? All I see is a small square.
I'd like to see your adapters that you're mentioning.
And was that in reference to the paddock stand? Or the Abba stand?
Rider7
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@ticobrahe,
if you put your SR on that cover, heck, I'll put my DSR on it, it should hold the bike plus a small elephant. Thanks for testing it :)
Rider7
yep, it went up and down with no issues at all. was stable enough but i threw on a couple bungee cords as a precaution.
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I added a couple of the recommendations to the wiki and linked here: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift)
I use a rear stand for my V-Strom that does not quite grab the Zero rear swingarm as well as I'd like, so I've dragged my feet on finding a new one. But I have a ratcheting center lift which works fine when I occasionally need one.
My center lift is a Drag Specialties Center Jack (http://www.dragspecialties.com/products/?productId=121879), which others have also had success with here. I've linked it from the wiki now.
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I added a couple of the recommendations to the wiki and linked here: http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Lift)
I use a rear stand for my V-Strom that does not quite grab the Zero rear swingarm as well as I'd like, so I've dragged my feet on finding a new one. But I have a ratcheting center lift which works fine when I occasionally need one.
That is what I use to lift my Zero and it works quite well. But I always use a secondary means of stabilizing my bike just in case I accidentally bump it while doing something stupid while it is being supported by the jack. ;)
My center lift is a Drag Specialties Center Jack (http://www.dragspecialties.com/products/?productId=121879), which others have also had success with here. I've linked it from the wiki now.