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Title: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on October 30, 2016, 02:42:05 AM
So I've decided that I want a nice tour fairing on my DS, contacted a local guy who is willing to mount and paint it but now is the question, which one? My previous bikes were a BMW Deauville and a BMW K75RT and I liked both of them.

I'm a tall guy(1,90M) and spend a lot of time on the motorway so a high windscreen is a must, I'm currently eyeing the local marketplace for a FJR fairing but if you lot have a suggestion I'd love to hear it!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on October 31, 2016, 01:10:23 AM
Subscribing to this topic, since as a tall rider myself at 192cm, it would be nice to have a fairing and a screen farther away to the front and higher.

Are you also looking for the lower bodywork for the front/side of the battery, to offer some lower leg shielding too?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: mrwilsn on October 31, 2016, 02:48:10 AM
Have you thought about what you will do with the tank?  The main reason I haven't done something like @quixotic is because I haven't figured out what to do about the tank.  He used an airtech CR4501 that gives it kind of a cafe racer look.  He just put a board over the tank which works for him I guess but wouldn't work for me because of the DigiNow.

I'm sure you must have read his thread if you are asking about fairings.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5838.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5838.0)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: quixotic on October 31, 2016, 07:10:03 AM
It's a bit of a gamble, but you might want to look through the Airtech website, and if something looks good, ask Walt for some measurements.  Then it's over to Gustafsson for a matching windshield.  I've done it twice now (once with an old Beemer), and have been quite satisfied.  I also adapted a Parabellum fairing for the Beemer.  They are much more solid than the Airtechs (though if you put enough brackets on the latter, they're fine...and they tend to look cooler than the Parabellums). 
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on October 31, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Subscribing to this topic, since as a tall rider myself at 192cm, it would be nice to have a fairing and a screen farther away to the front and higher.

Are you also looking for the lower bodywork for the front/side of the battery, to offer some lower leg shielding too?
If that's included in the donor fairing yes, but I will not install an otherwise perfect fairing because it lacks side fairings. Getting my head and upper body out of the wind is the goal, extra is bonus.

Have you thought about what you will do with the tank?  The main reason I haven't done something like @quixotic is because I haven't figured out what to do about the tank.  He used an airtech CR4501 that gives it kind of a cafe racer look.  He just put a board over the tank which works for him I guess but wouldn't work for me because of the DigiNow.

I'm sure you must have read his thread if you are asking about fairings.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5838.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5838.0)
Jup read it, what to do with the fank depends on what I can find, it will probably end up in sawing of those strange spikes at the front.

It's a bit of a gamble, but you might want to look through the Airtech website, and if something looks good, ask Walt for some measurements.  Then it's over to Gustafsson for a matching windshield.  I've done it twice now (once with an old Beemer), and have been quite satisfied.  I also adapted a Parabellum fairing for the Beemer.  They are much more solid than the Airtechs (though if you put enough brackets on the latter, they're fine...and they tend to look cooler than the Parabellums). 
I'm on the lookout for a bit more tourier than what Airtech has to offer. Also I'm in Europe so shipping will be a nightmare.

Found this listing for a Honda NTV fairing not to too far away, this one might work for me :)

(http://i.imgur.com/oKypM2g.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 03, 2016, 02:06:43 AM
Also, has somebody replaced the fender of a DS for something that is a bit closer to the wheel?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 04, 2016, 09:11:03 PM
Did a rough mockup, doesn't look too bad:

(http://i.imgur.com/2CiYdxd.png)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on November 05, 2016, 12:24:18 AM
Also, has somebody replaced the fender of a DS for something that is a bit closer to the wheel?

Nope. That would require considerable fabrication. The fender itself could be displaced downwards by up to 1 inch (using spacers for the 4 mounting bolts) without interfering with full suspension travel, IF you brace it so the end of the fender doesn't wave around into the wheel at the extreme of travel. (I have looked into this for a project in progress.)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 05, 2016, 12:39:57 AM
But why not move it on the bottom part of the suspension S style?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on November 05, 2016, 04:33:45 AM
But why not move it on the bottom part of the suspension S style?

I would prefer it, I'm just saying no one's gone through the effort of making it. Mainly it needs a secure mounting bracket.

I guess with the right measurements I could get it machined from aluminum. But I've got too many projects going right now.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 07, 2016, 06:01:45 PM
I'm looking at a Super Tenere front fender to replace the current fender, only I'm away from my bike until the weekend... Does someone know the distance between these bolts?

(http://i.imgur.com/V4jiUNq.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 16, 2016, 11:04:58 PM
Bought the red fairing!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on November 17, 2016, 12:38:57 AM
Looking forward to see some photos once you got it installed!

Bought the red fairing!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 17, 2016, 12:52:20 AM
It will take some time, it needs some fitting and it will also be repainted. And I still need to find a new fender.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on December 07, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
It's getting closer. Does somebody know where to find the RAL codes for Zero's?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 08, 2016, 06:26:20 AM
I wish I could have a fairing on my DSR like the one on my NM4 Honda - the aerodynamics are so good on this bike it achieves 80 mph fuel efficiency with its 700cc class engine. This would allow the Zero to travel at higher rates of speed yet still be battery efficient.

Mike

(http://www.com-pany.com/brp/honda/nm4/n2.jpg)

(http://www.com-pany.com/brp/honda/nm4/n1.jpg)

(http://www.com-pany.com/brp/honda/nm4/n5.jpg)

(http://www.com-pany.com/brp/honda/nm4/n13.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: grmarks on December 08, 2016, 08:08:34 AM
Its not only the front of the bike that needs to be airodynamic but the back also, as in the above pic.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Electric Terry on December 08, 2016, 09:19:15 AM
Wow I do like the aerodynamic luggage panniers of that NM4 Honda!  Very nice!!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 08, 2016, 09:44:07 AM
Its a pretty neat bike - I love to drive the thing, and it attracts more attention than you would believe.  As you can see from the seat, you sort of sit in behind the tank so there is little exposure and less drag. As your moving, you can feel the slip-stream move from the front to the rear around the bags and out the rear, she is totally clean. 

This bike is as close as you can get an ICE to feeling like an electric motorcycle. This bike is dead quiet and equipped with Honda's Dual Clutch Transmission - its a 6 speed,it has 3 modes; Drive - 3 Sport settings and Manual. The DCT has two clutches one for 1st, 3rd and 5th and another for 2nd 4th and 6th. As an example, when you shift from 1st to 2nd, 2nd gear is already engaged - when you shift to 2nd, the 1st gear clutch disengages and the 2nd engages, there is no mechanical shifting or noise at that point, it shifts so fast it sounds like an automatic.  This transmission technology is only used in high end sports cars costing $500K to over a mill, its much more advanced and more economical to run since there is no slippage and power loss as there is in an true automatic transmission. By the way that is the back seat sticking up, it folds up in 6 positions to make a backrest when riding 1 UP very comfortable.

This bike is sort of like the Honda Rune where they only offered it for a few years - word is there will be no 2017 models.

Regards - Mike
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Fred on December 08, 2016, 04:37:46 PM
That is one of the ugliest bikes I've ever seen. Even if it meant you could do 100mph for 200 miles on a couple of AA batteries, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to ride a bike that looked like that!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Chief_Lee_Visceral on December 08, 2016, 06:40:45 PM
Easy Fred... even if not for everyone you have to respect the engineering. I am glad Honda gets past prototype and all the way to market with limited releases like that. Shows a passion for engineering like you see at KTM and Ducati as well. To each his own and I would like to see one in person myself.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Edwin-SR on December 08, 2016, 07:42:06 PM

Zero parts are nog painted, so the colour after the paintjob won't be the same as the original. I decided to paint it all...

It's getting closer. Does somebody know where to find the RAL codes for Zero's?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 08, 2016, 08:11:37 PM
That is one of the ugliest bikes I've ever seen. Even if it meant you could do 100mph for 200 miles on a couple of AA batteries, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to ride a bike that looked like that!

That's A typical goofy response you'll get from from a goon who does not have the ability or knowledge to understand what the bike is all about.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Fred on December 08, 2016, 08:57:34 PM
I understand what the bike is all about, I just think it's ugly. There are compromises to be made between aerodynamics and aesthetics but in my opinion that's swung too far one way.

No need to take my opinions personally. I've got no problem if you or anyone else likes it.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Richard230 on December 08, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
The NM4 was an interesting product and I give credit to Honda for designing and manufacturing the vehicle.  But is sure didn't appeal to U.S. consumer tastes, plus the cost of the scooter was really high here.  I believe I have only seen one on the road.  However, it might be something of a collector's item in the distant future.   ???
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Say10 15FX 16FXS on December 08, 2016, 10:05:47 PM
I see Honda is at it again. Just cause you could, doesn't mean you should! I think the only thing it is missing is these!

Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: NEW2elec on December 08, 2016, 10:36:48 PM
The front is a bit "outside the box" but if you look from the front of the tank back that would be what a touring Zero would look like.  I like that back rest/passenger seat and the areo  storage is about as good as you could get.
And yes Low I live in GA but on the south side of ATL.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Killroy on December 08, 2016, 10:38:57 PM
The NM4 Honda is a crazy bike.  I bet it is not as areo as you think.  You said 80 MPH, but you probably meant 80 MPG. A lot of that probably has to do with a more efficient larger engine that is less racy.  If you consider weight and size of a car, then 80 MPG is not really that good.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on December 08, 2016, 11:44:02 PM
The front of that Honda is ridiculous, and the useful storage space they got out of all these plastics is miniscule compared to what I think it could have been. It's more of a design statement than anything else...
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on December 09, 2016, 04:49:24 AM
Its a pretty neat bike - I love to drive the thing, and it attracts more attention than you would believe.  As you can see from the seat, you sort of sit in behind the tank so there is little exposure and less drag. As your moving, you can feel the slip-stream move from the front to the rear around the bags and out the rear, she is totally clean. 

This bike is as close as you can get an ICE to feeling like an electric motorcycle. This bike is dead quiet and equipped with Honda's Dual Clutch Transmission - its a 6 speed,it has 3 modes; Drive - 3 Sport settings and Manual. The DCT has two clutches one for 1st, 3rd and 5th and another for 2nd 4th and 6th. As an example, when you shift from 1st to 2nd, 2nd gear is already engaged - when you shift to 2nd, the 1st gear clutch disengages and the 2nd engages, there is no mechanical shifting or noise at that point, it shifts so fast it sounds like an automatic.  This transmission technology is only used in high end sports cars costing $500K to over a mill, its much more advanced and more economical to run since there is no slippage and power loss as there is in an true automatic transmission. By the way that is the back seat sticking up, it folds up in 6 positions to make a backrest when riding 1 UP very comfortable.

This bike is sort of like the Honda Rune where they only offered it for a few years - word is there will be no 2017 models.

Regards - Mike
Honda DCT is awesome, I test drove it and it's so smooth and efficient. On the point of the NM4, it's like a modern Pacific Coast crossbred with a Integra. I'm sure taking notes on that rear side, interesting curves.

Zero parts are nog painted, so the colour after the paintjob won't be the same as the original. I decided to paint it all...
I know the colour is in the plastic itself but if it happened to be a RAL color it sure would make it easier to get a decent match. I'm thinking of a two tone thing with orange-black for now...
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 09, 2016, 08:24:55 AM
I understand what the bike is all about, I just think it's ugly. There are compromises to be made between aerodynamics and aesthetics but in my opinion that's swung too far one way.

No need to take my opinions personally. I've got no problem if you or anyone else likes it.

Let me give you some real simple advise - in this day and age of road rage, don't go pulling up to a biker and tell him his bike is ugly - your gonna get shot in heart beat!

Regards
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 09, 2016, 08:27:19 AM
The NM4 Honda is a crazy bike.  I bet it is not as areo as you think.  You said 80 MPH, but you probably meant 80 MPG. A lot of that probably has to do with a more efficient larger engine that is less racy.  If you consider weight and size of a car, then 80 MPG is not really that good.

Killroy,

Sorry you're right - its 80 mpg, the bike will go considerable faster than 80 mpg

Thanks
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: clay.leihy on December 09, 2016, 12:34:20 PM
That DCT is pretty cool. My Ford Focus has one. Gets 35 mpg, same as my old 5 speed Escort, but with an automatic.



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Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: ctrlburn on December 09, 2016, 07:29:40 PM
That is one of the ugliest bikes I've ever seen. Even if it meant you could do 100mph for 200 miles on a couple of AA batteries, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to ride a bike that looked like that!
Would you ride it if going to a costume party dressed as Batman?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Fred on December 09, 2016, 07:58:51 PM
@ctrlburn - Definitely. You've hit nail on the head. Caricature Batman or bad 70's sci fi.

@Low on Cash - All I've done is say that one of Honda's designs is ugly. They have made many beautiful bikes, but not this time. You have called me goofy, a goon, insulted my intelligence and ability. You've suggested I might get shot. Enough of being polite. You're a bellend. If you own one of these then your bike is ugly. No doubt your wife is ugly too. Perhaps you're low on cash because you're too stupid to get a decent job. I've got loads of cash. It's just sitting in the bank waiting to be spent on a 2017 FXS once they're available here.


Anyway, enough petty online squabbling. I'm sure everyone else reading this thread thinks we're *both* bellends. Insult me again if you like. I'm done.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: MrDude_1 on December 09, 2016, 08:02:26 PM
not that it matters, but just random fact from riding 70,000+ miles on a CBR1000....
90mph gives me 55mpg when sitting UPRIGHT in the wind. (head held high, chest up, not tucked at all)

Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 09, 2016, 08:19:11 PM
The front of that Honda is ridiculous, and the useful storage space they got out of all these plastics is miniscule compared to what I think it could have been. It's more of a design statement than anything else...

For sure you're not going to be doing any cross country without a trunk ( one is available) but as limited on space as they are on the NM4 I have my frog togs - jacket -water - 12 volt air pump - tire plug. on one side and my girl uses the other side for her purse. The two compartments in the fairing are handy, the left side is smaller but has you charging cord and room for a cell phone which lock. The right side is much larger - you can put two full size bottles of water upright and still have a some room left.

Ride Safe!

Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 09, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Here's another shot of the front compartments Man How i would love to have a Zero power system in this bike. 
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Fred on December 09, 2016, 08:49:30 PM
You could probably squeeze your utility belt and batarang in there too.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: MichaelJohn on December 10, 2016, 02:57:28 AM
This transmission technology is only used in high end sports cars costing $500K to over a mill,

Not really - as noted in another post in this thread:

"That DCT is pretty cool. My Ford Focus has one. Gets 35 mpg, same as my old 5 speed Escort, but with an automatic."

My wife's VW GTI has a DCT and I have owned 2 BMW M cars with DCTs - and now they're available in BMW non-M cars. Porsche and Audi have had them for a while. Double clutch transmissions are not just found in exotic sports cars.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Richard230 on December 10, 2016, 04:39:55 AM
This transmission technology is only used in high end sports cars costing $500K to over a mill,

Not really - as noted in another post in this thread:

"That DCT is pretty cool. My Ford Focus has one. Gets 35 mpg, same as my old 5 speed Escort, but with an automatic."

My wife's VW GTI has a DCT and I have owned 2 BMW M cars with DCTs - and now they're available in BMW non-M cars. Porsche and Audi have had them for a while. Double clutch transmissions are not just found in exotic sports cars.

Most of the latest Honda motorcycle models have DCT as an option, including the new Africa Twin.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: gt13013 on December 13, 2016, 04:16:01 PM
I am subscribing to this topic because I am very interested. Hope to see Erasmo's adaptation pictures soon  ;)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on December 13, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
Dropping the bike of tomorrow.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on December 13, 2016, 06:45:31 PM
Please, don't drop "the bike of tomorrow" ;-)

Dropping the bike of tomorrow.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on December 14, 2016, 04:20:29 AM
Oh meant off of course, English isn't my first language.

It's gonna be an interesting ride tomorrow, 176 km at primarily motorways in 8° weather. I'll have to pilot fish (http://67.media.tumblr.com/4ff93885d7e5a347adfa99b572f05b5a/tumblr_mk8s0lTLTq1r70695o1_1280.jpg) behind a truck an perhaps do a good tour and lunch at the IKEA half way while topping up a bit. Also to squeeze every last wh out of the brick the bike will spend the night under a heated blanket.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on December 14, 2016, 05:27:45 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to be nasty (English isn't my first or second language either, so no offence meant at all). I'm eager to find out more about the fairing as I'm sure you do too.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on December 15, 2016, 01:41:06 AM
Update! Delivered the bike to the shop.

A BMW GS front fender seems to fit nicely after adapting the mounts:
(http://i.imgur.com/QJf9ixz.jpg)

A first impression of the fairing:
(http://i.imgur.com/WqotbHp.jpg)

It will be a bit lower and angled forward but it looks promising. Now we have to wait and let the panel beater do it's work.

Oh and after this he is interesting in making a mold for a bit more aerodynamic rear that has storage capability.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on December 15, 2016, 02:26:36 AM
How much space is there between the factory headlight and the headlight space for thetairing? Iassume the headlighton the fairing is furtherforwardfrom where it is on the Zero?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on December 15, 2016, 06:32:24 AM
Looks like you're on your way - interesting fit!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on December 15, 2016, 07:55:42 AM
Update! Delivered the bike to the shop.

A BMW GS front fender seems to fit nicely after adapting the mounts:

Nice! What can you explain about how it was adapted?

Oh and after this he is interesting in making a mold for a bit more aerodynamic rear that has storage capability.

That would be very valuable; let's talk about a group batch run if the initial result seems viable.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Say10 15FX 16FXS on December 15, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
I like the looks of this, but getting on/off bike and stop lights would be a real grind!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: skoleskibe on December 15, 2016, 05:41:14 PM
Have a look at NSU in the fifties, they made some interesting fairings
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on December 15, 2016, 09:18:01 PM
How much space is there between the factory headlight and the headlight space for thetairing? Iassume the headlighton the fairing is furtherforwardfrom where it is on the Zero?
Yes it will be further forward, also the factory headlight will be removed.

Update! Delivered the bike to the shop.

A BMW GS front fender seems to fit nicely after adapting the mounts:

Nice! What can you explain about how it was adapted?

Oh and after this he is interesting in making a mold for a bit more aerodynamic rear that has storage capability.

That would be very valuable; let's talk about a group batch run if the initial result seems viable.
This is only a test fit of the fender, but every machine shop should be able to make mountings. The current deflectors are to flimsy to adapt without reinforcement.

I'm waiting for the supercharger dimensions before I can start designing the back. The idea is to make it so that none SC users have a good extra storage space.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: NEW2elec on December 15, 2016, 10:40:22 PM
For what it's worth R&G makes these frame sliders that could give you some side support with the added function of crash protection.


http://www.twistedthrottle.com/r-g-aero-style-frame-sliders-for-zero-ds-13-14-zero-s-13-15-zero-sr-max-performance-16 (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/r-g-aero-style-frame-sliders-for-zero-ds-13-14-zero-s-13-15-zero-sr-max-performance-16)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on December 16, 2016, 01:45:18 AM
For what it's worth R&G makes these frame sliders that could give you some side support with the added function of crash protection.


http://www.twistedthrottle.com/r-g-aero-style-frame-sliders-for-zero-ds-13-14-zero-s-13-15-zero-sr-max-performance-16 (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/r-g-aero-style-frame-sliders-for-zero-ds-13-14-zero-s-13-15-zero-sr-max-performance-16)


Good point; the frame sliders are not often mentioned and appear to use the same frame mount points as the crash bars.

The civilian crash bars are reportedly $250 and are much sturdier, but do stick out about 7 inches on each side.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: quixotic on December 19, 2016, 07:57:02 AM
Have a look at NSU in the fifties, they made some interesting fairings

Very true.  Also Aermacchi.  See 1954 and 1955 on this page: http://www.elsberg-tuning.dk/recordbikes.html (http://www.elsberg-tuning.dk/recordbikes.html)

And unlike most of the other bikes on that page, the NSU and the Aermacchi were recumbents (ie, reasonably comfortable over longer distances).
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on December 19, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Hollywood Electrics commissioned an FXS fairing customization that looks really stylish:
https://www.facebook.com/hollywoodelectrics/photos/a.101453059962.22679.97687554962/10150811897979963/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/hollywoodelectrics/photos/a.101453059962.22679.97687554962/10150811897979963/?type=3&theater)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Killroy on December 20, 2016, 10:58:27 AM
Have a look at NSU in the fifties, they made some interesting fairings

Very true.  Also Aermacchi.  See 1954 and 1955 on this page: http://www.elsberg-tuning.dk/recordbikes.html (http://www.elsberg-tuning.dk/recordbikes.html)

And unlike most of the other bikes on that page, the NSU and the Aermacchi were recumbents (ie, reasonably comfortable over longer distances).

They did a good job on the tail here:
(http://www.elsberg-tuning.dk/64record2.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on December 21, 2016, 04:38:51 AM
I just spotted something on Ecomodder (http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/aerodynamic-motorcycle-cloth-idea-34386-2.html#post529809). The Ryno Fender is a front tire fender for racing bikes that reduces drag a bit. It's sized for a 17" wheel and there's a generic horn one ($50) could put on an existing fender without worrying about matching the fork mount.

http://www.rynofender.com/ (http://www.rynofender.com/)


Maybe one could take the horn and attach it to a Hayabusa drag-reducing wheel fender (https://store.schnitzracing.com/catalyst-front-fender-suzuki-gsx1300r-hayabusa-99-15/).


Would any S/SR riders care to try this out?

Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 17, 2017, 01:11:49 AM
Temperatures are above zero again, working on the fairing can finally commence!

Today was test fit day:
(http://i.imgur.com/Rt87Ipi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/kVCL33v.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zxh2zco.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mpKgriz.jpg)

Even without me on the bike it's already looking ok. Now it is time to take lots of pictures, make temporarily wooden struts and maybe even go for a few test rides. On this project it is really going to be measure twice, cut once.

The XJ600 is working fine but I miss riding electric so much...
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on February 17, 2017, 01:29:32 AM
Will your knees have room behind it?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 17, 2017, 02:07:22 AM
We'll fit it to accommodate that, might also lower the pegs a bit.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on February 18, 2017, 01:00:15 AM
Very nice look. I'll upload my photos of my dustbin mount structure for reference; they're more complicated than necessary but it's exploratory so that's okay for now.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 18, 2017, 01:30:41 AM
Thanks, it is now mounted with temporarily wooden struts and I have to say, I really like the look. Can't wait until it is painted orange.

(http://i.imgur.com/Yzl06tu.jpg)

If you want to compare here's a side shot:
(http://i.imgur.com/jmNIIVC.jpg)

It might be nice to do some photoshop magic and do a transparant overlay of both.

The only problem until now is the brake handle:

(http://i.imgur.com/aV901o8.jpg)

But nothing that can't be fixed.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: mrwilsn on February 18, 2017, 03:49:39 PM
It looks like you got it to fit without any modification to the tank....Is that right?

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Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 19, 2017, 12:20:04 AM
In this position yes. We'll still have to do some fitting etc but even the tank horns should be able to stay on with a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: NEW2elec on February 20, 2017, 02:15:35 AM
Does the Fairing cover your knees?  I can't tell if it's flat to the frame or curves out to cover your legs.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 20, 2017, 03:30:59 AM
Yes the knees should be behind it.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: gt13013 on February 20, 2017, 03:48:08 AM
Very interesting work Erasmo ! Thanks for sharing.

I have made some searching on this fairing, and it appears to be a Powerbronze Voyager
http://www.powerbronze.co.uk/899756/818248/Fairing---VOYAGER.model (http://www.powerbronze.co.uk/899756/818248/Fairing---VOYAGER.model)

It is difficult to find online information for this fairing. There is a post (in French) with some information here
http://moto-gt.fr/dossier/232/carenage-integral-powerbronze-NTV.html (http://moto-gt.fr/dossier/232/carenage-integral-powerbronze-NTV.html)
And here is its Google traduction:
https://goo.gl/HQ6GF2 (https://goo.gl/HQ6GF2)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: gyrocyclist on February 20, 2017, 06:17:09 AM
Yes the knees should be behind it.
Apologies, I haven't read this entire thread; perhaps this has been addressed: have you any idea how much this might reduce drag, hence increase mileage? Am hoping, when finished, you will post enough info for others to build.

Anyway, I'm fantastically impressed! I really think Zero should spend a year or two working on aerodynamics. At this point performance is superb and range is impressive (SR). If they could improve range by more than 25%  just by offering a fairing such as you've designed .. that would be a HUGE win for the company.

My data point for aerodynamics is my 2004  Aprilia 500cc scooter. Boring acceleration ... but I get 60mpg at fast highway speeds. 'Course, now that I have a zero, I don't ride it much ...
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 22, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
Test fit time:

(http://i.imgur.com/NcUa3R4.jpg)

Note that this is without windscreen. Probably gonna nibble a few centimetres of the point near my foot. It does fit but some wiggle room would be nice.

Very interesting work Erasmo ! Thanks for sharing.

I have made some searching on this fairing, and it appears to be a Powerbronze Voyager
http://www.powerbronze.co.uk/899756/818248/Fairing---VOYAGER.model (http://www.powerbronze.co.uk/899756/818248/Fairing---VOYAGER.model)

It is difficult to find online information for this fairing. There is a post (in French) with some information here
http://moto-gt.fr/dossier/232/carenage-integral-powerbronze-NTV.html (http://moto-gt.fr/dossier/232/carenage-integral-powerbronze-NTV.html)
And here is its Google traduction:
https://goo.gl/HQ6GF2 (https://goo.gl/HQ6GF2)
Close but no sigar, it is an older NTV model from a Dutch company called Schurgers that does a lot of fairing work, here it is on a NTV:

(http://i.imgur.com/9Un265e.jpg)

Yes the knees should be behind it.
Apologies, I haven't read this entire thread; perhaps this has been addressed: have you any idea how much this might reduce drag, hence increase mileage? Am hoping, when finished, you will post enough info for others to build.

Anyway, I'm fantastically impressed! I really think Zero should spend a year or two working on aerodynamics. At this point performance is superb and range is impressive (SR). If they could improve range by more than 25%  just by offering a fairing such as you've designed .. that would be a HUGE win for the company.

My data point for aerodynamics is my 2004  Aprilia 500cc scooter. Boring acceleration ... but I get 60mpg at fast highway speeds. 'Course, now that I have a zero, I don't ride it much ...
I don't dare guestimating how it will turn out in percentages/km. The front has a more aerodynamic shape now but it also has gained some extra surface area. There are some slots in the side that should provide some laminar air on the side and of course the fender is less ridiculous.

I'm guessing a small improvement is possible, but even if the range would remain the same, it now offers a lot more comfort on the motorway. Don't worry I'll try to document as much as possible.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: MrDude_1 on February 23, 2017, 01:43:24 AM
Close but no sigar, it is an older NTV model from a Dutch company called Schurgers that does a lot of fairing work, here it is on a NTV:

(http://i.imgur.com/9Un265e.jpg)


Since HawkGT sized fairings fit so well... I wonder if we should all look into using the fairings they put on Hawk GTs for racing...
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Doug S on February 23, 2017, 02:07:03 AM
Let me just add my voice to the chorus...fantastic work, Erasmo! This bike needs a good fairing more than any other motorcycle does. It looks like the factory did it, except it's a little too good-looking. Give me a good retro motorcycle look any day.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: gt13013 on February 23, 2017, 06:38:04 AM
Re: Fairing suggestions


I have made some searching on this fairing, and it appears to be a Powerbronze Voyager
http://www.powerbronze.co.uk/899756/818248/Fairing---VOYAGER.model (http://www.powerbronze.co.uk/899756/818248/Fairing---VOYAGER.model)
Close but no sigar, it is an older NTV model from a Dutch company called Schurgers that does a lot of fairing work
OK. Thank you Erasmo for correcting my error
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 24, 2017, 02:45:57 AM
Let me just add my voice to the chorus...fantastic work, Erasmo! This bike needs a good fairing more than any other motorcycle does. It looks like the factory did it, except it's a little too good-looking. Give me a good retro motorcycle look any day.
Thank you but apart from finding the right parts most of the honour goes to my panelbeater. He has over 30 years of experience with fairings so instead of fumbling around myself I've outsourced the actual work to him ;) Can't wait until it is finished and painted, I'm going for a two tone orange-black to match the current lines on the bike.


Close but no sigar, it is an older NTV model from a Dutch company called Schurgers that does a lot of fairing work, here it is on a NTV:

(http://i.imgur.com/9Un265e.jpg)


Since HawkGT sized fairings fit so well... I wonder if we should all look into using the fairings they put on Hawk GTs for racing...
Depends on your goal with them, there are plenty race fairings for small bikes already. And while the size will work this build also needs some custom struts to keep it together.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 27, 2017, 03:07:05 PM
Went to a motor show and found this nice dustbin:

(http://i.imgur.com/O6W3qld.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/M9TUOGu.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XaUmJUQ.jpg)

Also somebody was kind enough to mock up the finished paintjob in Photoshop :):

(http://i.imgur.com/hdRaVEC.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on February 27, 2017, 03:18:06 PM
That's a great paint job mockup; looks like an original accessory. Is that your plan?

That dustbin is really low - like Airtech's Gilera 125, roughly. Their DBL1 is the only one tall enough for a Zero; the DBL2 is still fairly low:
http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/vintage/vintagefairingsdustbin.htm (http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/vintage/vintagefairingsdustbin.htm)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on February 27, 2017, 08:31:19 PM
The mock-up paint job really makes it look seamless with the rest of the bike. I was not sure I liked it before, but with the black upper part it is not as prominent visually as before (I like it better this way, it was a bit too much before).
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: NEW2elec on February 27, 2017, 09:14:09 PM
+1 on the paint job mock up, very nice.  Have you figured out how your going to set up the headlight and turn signals?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on February 28, 2017, 02:00:24 PM
That's a great paint job mockup; looks like an original accessory. Is that your plan?

That dustbin is really low - like Airtech's Gilera 125, roughly. Their DBL1 is the only one tall enough for a Zero; the DBL2 is still fairly low:
http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/vintage/vintagefairingsdustbin.htm (http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/vintage/vintagefairingsdustbin.htm)
The mock-up paint job really makes it look seamless with the rest of the bike. I was not sure I liked it before, but with the black upper part it is not as prominent visually as before (I like it better this way, it was a bit too much before).
I have to say I like this scheme pretty much, I will probably go for it.

+1 on the paint job mock up, very nice.  Have you figured out how your going to set up the headlight and turn signals?
For now there is a placeholder round headlight in the fairing, that will be replaced with a sealed led unit later.  Turn signals are included with the fairing, you can see the holes for them on the last page. Those will be upgraded to bright LED's because they have to stand out in a sea of orange.

Now for the rear side:
I was looking for a sturdy top case to mount the super charger in saw the following at the same bike show: http://www.stahlkoffer.com/prices/ (http://www.stahlkoffer.com/prices/)
Very nice and sturdy stuff, and they told me they want to make a mounting for Zero's:

(http://i.imgur.com/dArTxfG.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LqPOH05.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/0BS88v2.jpg)

Now the long term idea was to make a fibreglass tail for storage and a bit of streamlining, but these cases sparked a thought. Had a little chat with the owner and they can make bit more aero front on it, and as you can see the narrow panniers don't stick out very much. The extra carrying capacity is welcome, especially when going on a holiday.

Now here's where it does get long term wacky idea; those cases have the nice square brackets on them where you can throw a bag on them tighten it with string. What if you made a kind of quick release streamlining tail for it that you can mount an dismount when you need it:

(http://i.imgur.com/arqhDlb.png)
Title: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on March 01, 2017, 12:39:15 AM
I considered this for the tail mount but even the narrowest cases make a considerable frontal area impact on a Zero.

My intent is to use the side racks themselves for tail mounting and have bags stored on the inner side of the rack. Mind, this is with the Happy Trails rack which is similar to what you're looking at, sturdier than OEM.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on March 05, 2017, 03:11:28 PM
My frontal area is already a bit wider because of the front fairing so here it will matter less... But I agree that using a side rack to mount the tail on is a good idea.

Meanwhile the mountings are starting to take shape:

(https://tweakers.net/ext/f/jTyfdlOiOLk0DjZph2d5i0T0/full.jpg)

(https://tweakers.net/ext/f/o1tcnb9kd0OOGoqBppBTuDx0/full.jpg)

(https://tweakers.net/ext/f/axH2W9MfnqzsaFLpYFNwLBvE/full.jpg)

(https://tweakers.net/ext/f/JGQe1JXmL3U9Mc0bKDeHlY9C/full.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: KrazyEd on March 05, 2017, 10:21:10 PM
Looks very professional. I wish I could get off my butt and do something like that.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on March 21, 2017, 06:11:23 PM
Looks very professional. I wish I could get off my butt and do something like that.
I'm also outsourcing most of the work ;D

This weekend we had the final test fit on the now finished mountings. Those are off to be powder coated and the fairing itself gets some minor adjustments and is almost ready to be painted.

The experience so far, go for it! Even if you aren't technical, mounting it on the crash bar mountings is something that every shop/metal worker can do for you. Most third party fairings for smaller bikes should fit without trouble.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on March 22, 2017, 12:37:10 AM
Looks very professional. I wish I could get off my butt and do something like that.


I'm also outsourcing most of the work ;D

This weekend we had the final test fit on the now finished mountings. Those are off to be powder coated and the fairing itself gets some minor adjustments and is almost ready to be painted.

The experience so far, go for it! Even if you aren't technical, mounting it on the crash bar mountings is something that every shop/metal worker can do for you. Most third party fairings for smaller bikes should fit without trouble.


Agreed. I went for something ambitious and am trying to make some simpler plans to share, but most three-quarter fairings will mount pretty easily with a light amount of work.


The crash guard structure is sturdy enough for nearly all the fairing loads possible, just need to apply appropriate struts to project up and forward especially if the fairing requires supporting a headlamp.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on March 22, 2017, 03:11:54 AM
When the struts come back from powder coating I'll post some reference photo's without the fairing attached.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on March 23, 2017, 01:34:06 PM
Stumbled upon an former police bike with quit the interesting tail:

(http://i.imgur.com/RZ2wFqK.jpg)

Something like that but maybe a bit higher would be a nice housing for the SC plus a bit of cargo.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on March 23, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
The ST1100 follows in the line of the Pacific Coast 800 for having ample and smooth rear luggage. The PC800 is affectionately known as the original "tupperware bike". :)

You can probably scrounge up some used parts for it; I've seen some on EBay.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Low On Cash on March 28, 2017, 03:24:42 AM
Let me just add my voice to the chorus...fantastic work, Erasmo! This bike needs a good fairing more than any other motorcycle does. It looks like the factory did it, except it's a little too good-looking. Give me a good retro motorcycle look any day.
Thank you but apart from finding the right parts most of the honour goes to my panelbeater. He has over 30 years of experience with fairings so instead of fumbling around myself I've outsourced the actual work to him ;) Can't wait until it is finished and painted, I'm going for a two tone orange-black to match the current lines on the bike.


Close but no sigar, it is an older NTV model from a Dutch company called Schurgers that does a lot of fairing work, here it is on a NTV:

(http://i.imgur.com/9Un265e.jpg)


Since HawkGT sized fairings fit so well... I wonder if we should all look into using the fairings they put on Hawk GTs for racing...
Depends on your goal with them, there are plenty race fairings for small bikes already. And while the size will work this build also needs some custom struts to keep it together.

Congrats, super job - you should send some images to Zero to see if you can spark some interest on their part. Instead of going with bigger packs for more range this seems to be the answer without the additional weight.

I love the front end on the Vigo although I don't really see the getting 400 miles of range.

(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/vigo.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 03, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
No way they're getting that range out of that amount of batteries with that fairing.

I'm not that far from the EU HQ so I might pop over if they're interested.

Anyway, stuff 's getting painted now, the project should finally be ready end of this week.

(http://i.imgur.com/2vFiBFf.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vm5lBnT.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/CytbVs0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/RMA8D5H.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 06, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
Almost done!

(http://i.imgur.com/TuhsbOx.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/U49ucx2.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 10, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
Just one last layer to matt the black pieces and it's finally time to reassemble:

(http://i.imgur.com/Bb1hAr4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rnVzHFU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Q4c54Gf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yBBDSi3.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: MostlyBonkers on April 11, 2017, 04:53:54 AM
This is fantastic Erasmo! It would be great if you could show it off to the Zero folks at HQ. I'm sure they've got enough on their plates already, but your efforts will  inspire them and create a few conversations internally.

Best of luck with the rest of your project and I look forward to more news.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 16, 2017, 04:03:52 PM
This is fantastic Erasmo! It would be great if you could show it off to the Zero folks at HQ. I'm sure they've got enough on their plates already, but your efforts will  inspire them and create a few conversations internally.

Best of luck with the rest of your project and I look forward to more news.
I might drop by the EU HQ later this year, spoke to a few Zero representatives on a trade show and they're very interested.

Literally 99% done ;D Wednesday is the big day.

(http://i.imgur.com/TavX6Yg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/iqwvZ5F.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/lN7uDfC.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on April 16, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
Beautiful! Is the color supposed to be red, or you have some sort of orange-is as shown in the photos?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 16, 2017, 05:51:06 PM
It's the same as the Zero orange.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Kocho on April 16, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
OK.
It's the same as the Zero orange.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 17, 2017, 03:31:16 AM
A Zero Touring motorcycle, it has been done! ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/SFH5HPS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/hPlevvm.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WNHRLvx.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OeFhLwn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/kalG1gA.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: MostlyBonkers on April 17, 2017, 04:31:54 AM
I think it's really beautiful. Do please tell us what effect it has on range when you've had the chance to ride it. That's quite a project.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Shadow on April 17, 2017, 04:39:26 AM
Amazing. I want one :)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on April 17, 2017, 01:00:27 PM
This looks great! I wish my dustbin looked even remotely as good or well-fitted as that.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Skidz on April 17, 2017, 02:15:28 PM
Nice Erasmo!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: gt13013 on April 17, 2017, 03:47:28 PM
Very nice work ! I would certainly have chosen the fairing option in case Zero proposed it  ::)

I expect you will enjoy it from all points of view: wind protection, noise, range,...

By the way, how did you solve the problem with the brake handle being too close to the fairing?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: madcow on April 17, 2017, 08:16:14 PM
Looks fantastic! This is close to looking OEM.

Please share your experiences with the fairing (for example comfort, wind/noise, energy consumption, ergonomics, behaviour in different weather/street conditions etc). What was your total cost (including external work hours) for the prowjct?

If there was a way to buy a fairing like this for a reasonable price I'd be highly interested.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Richard230 on April 17, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
I agree.  A really impressive project that looks factory-designed.  If only Zero would do the same.   :)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 17, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
I think it's really beautiful. Do please tell us what effect it has on range when you've had the chance to ride it. That's quite a project.
I'm expecting it to have a slight positive effect on the range. The frontal surface has increased a bit but the whole also got a lot slipperier.

This looks great! I wish my dustbin looked even remotely as good or well-fitted as that.
Well it did take almost 4 months to adapt, fit and paint everything. Can't wait to ride again!

Very nice work ! I would certainly have chosen the fairing option in case Zero proposed it  ::)

I expect you will enjoy it from all points of view: wind protection, noise, range,...

By the way, how did you solve the problem with the brake handle being too close to the fairing?

Shaved a 2cm gap in the right side where the brake handle falls into it. If you don't know it it's barely noticeable.

Looks fantastic! This is close to looking OEM.

Please share your experiences with the fairing (for example comfort, wind/noise, energy consumption, ergonomics, behaviour in different weather/street conditions etc). What was your total cost (including external work hours) for the prowjct?

If there was a way to buy a fairing like this for a reasonable price I'd be highly interested.
I'm picking it up on Wednesday. I expect a little buffering in the helmet in the upright position but nothing that a spoiler or a vent in the low part of the screen can't fix.

The price breakdown is about this:
- Fairing: €100(got a nice deal)
- Front fender and headlight: €55
- Fitting and painting: €850

Now this was a bit of a project but my panel beater says he could fit an R6/R1 faring much easier. So if you don't mind a bit smaller that should be more easy, especially because there is a big aftermarket in (race)fairings for those bikes.

I agree.  A really impressive project that looks factory-designed.  If only Zero would do the same.   :)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 21, 2017, 01:32:49 PM
It was time for the first proper ride home:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZCtiTMY.jpg?1)

First impressions, wow what a difference! It's riding a complete different bike. When sitting completely upright you get a little helmet buffering but not that bad.

And the range?
(http://i.imgur.com/NJdlLpB.jpg?1)

This was taken after riding mostly motorway at 90-100km/h with the first 10km filtering through a traffic jam. Now the wind was in my favour but not bad increase for a 2015DS.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: madcow on April 21, 2017, 07:26:17 PM
So you can easily get 200 highway kilometres out of it (assuming a reasonable speed). That's quite an improvement. Combine that with a DigiNow SC V2 and you are pretty much touring ready.

Congrats!
Title: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on April 21, 2017, 07:56:58 PM
Nice result! Definitely would like to see how robust the improvement is in a headwind.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Doug S on April 21, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
Outstanding work, Erasmo! Color me orange with envy.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on April 22, 2017, 02:48:46 AM
Clearance to get it through the back door of my house is 5cm, totally planned that of course ::)

So you can easily get 200 highway kilometres out of it (assuming a reasonable speed). That's quite an improvement. Combine that with a DigiNow SC V2 and you are pretty much touring ready.

Congrats!
Should be totally do-able. I'm picking up the SC this weekend ;D

Nice result! Definitely would like to see how robust the improvement is in a headwind.
I'm surely gonna ride a lot to collect data and such.

Outstanding work, Erasmo! Color me orange with envy.
Thank you, the color is a little bit off because the '15 plastics aren't painted but full colour and the colour scan thingamagingy had trouble getting the right color. But I'm happy with it.

This type fairing really changes the motorcycle, I can highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 03, 2017, 12:37:19 AM
As requested by Brian some pics of the mountings: http://imgur.com/a/sUiWx (http://imgur.com/a/sUiWx)
I hope this works because it is hard to take pictures inside of the fairing. Only one extra hole in the crown plate was needed, for the rest it is all mounted on existing threads for the crash bars etc.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 03, 2017, 04:30:04 AM
Nice, thank you! I can see what you mean about not having friendly weather for photographs.

The shoulder bracket and the low fender brackets look pretty simple and could probably be made into a CAD drawing with a little work. Anything you can show (or better, measure) of those when convenient would be helpful.

The bracket around the front forks looks really complex, but the general idea and mounting points seem straightforward. I'll ask a relevant fabricator if something is in the works already that will fulfill this role.

What are the rear swingarm photos meant to convey?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 03, 2017, 11:47:24 AM
Those aren't of the rear swingarm but of the mountings for the new front fender.
A few pages back there should be some photos of the bike with only the brackets mounted.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 03, 2017, 01:34:42 PM
Wow, the photos were so close in that I confused the scale. Got it.

I'd really like something closer to a real scan or drawing. We need the ability to reproduce work like this.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: madcow on July 03, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
Wow, the photos were so close in that I confused the scale. Got it.

I'd really like something closer to a real scan or drawing. We need the ability to reproduce work like this.

100% agree. I did a bit of research on the fairing but couldn't quite find the right model as there seem to be a lot oft options for the Honda NTV 650 that are all relatively similiar.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: tamjam on July 03, 2017, 08:49:25 PM
Personally I am most intrigued by the front fender mod...so you ended up modifying a BMW GS fender?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: togo on July 03, 2017, 10:57:15 PM
As requested by Brian some pics of the mountings: http://imgur.com/a/sUiWx (http://imgur.com/a/sUiWx)
I hope this works because it is hard to take pictures inside of the fairing. Only one extra hole in the crown plate was needed, for the rest it is all mounted on existing threads for the crash bars etc.

Nice work.  I'd like to see a little more context as to the upper attachment points.  You are coming into the triple clamp, which bolt holes?  Some nice welding there, the geometry escapes me.  Do you have drawings?

Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Doctorbass on July 03, 2017, 11:25:37 PM
I remember that David Hiley  (Dgh853) took some RSV4 and CBR1000 fairing on a Zero.. it was nice!!

http://evtricity.com.au/zerosr/ (http://evtricity.com.au/zerosr/)

Doc



Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 05, 2017, 02:07:37 AM
Wow, the photos were so close in that I confused the scale. Got it.

I'd really like something closer to a real scan or drawing. We need the ability to reproduce work like this.
That's a though one, I reused the existing mounting that came with the fairing and it needed almost no adaptions.

Wow, the photos were so close in that I confused the scale. Got it.

I'd really like something closer to a real scan or drawing. We need the ability to reproduce work like this.

100% agree. I did a bit of research on the fairing but couldn't quite find the right model as there seem to be a lot oft options for the Honda NTV 650 that are all relatively similiar.
The brand is Schurgers, it's from the Netherlands.

Personally I am most intrigued by the front fender mod...so you ended up modifying a BMW GS fender?
Yup, that took some effort because the upside down forks, as you can see it is pretty close to the tires. I hope that the next set of more roadish tires will offer some extra space. The bracket for it mounted behind the fork protectors and the fender is on the bracket from above. My bike is in the shop getting the SC fitted but I'll try some pictures when it gets back.

As requested by Brian some pics of the mountings: http://imgur.com/a/sUiWx (http://imgur.com/a/sUiWx)
I hope this works because it is hard to take pictures inside of the fairing. Only one extra hole in the crown plate was needed, for the rest it is all mounted on existing threads for the crash bars etc.

Nice work.  I'd like to see a little more context as to the upper attachment points.  You are coming into the triple clamp, which bolt holes?  Some nice welding there, the geometry escapes me.  Do you have drawings?
Ah so that's the English word for it. Sorry no drawings because it is an mostly existing mount. I'll try to get some better pictures again when the bike is back.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 06, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
Wow, the photos were so close in that I confused the scale. Got it.

I'd really like something closer to a real scan or drawing. We need the ability to reproduce work like this.
That's a though one, I reused the existing mounting that came with the fairing and it needed almost no adaptions.

Okay, so the fairing has enough parts that this and the headlight mounting were ready to use, and the most work involved the support bracket to the steering area.

Wow, the photos were so close in that I confused the scale. Got it.

I'd really like something closer to a real scan or drawing. We need the ability to reproduce work like this.

100% agree. I did a bit of research on the fairing but couldn't quite find the right model as there seem to be a lot oft options for the Honda NTV 650 that are all relatively similiar.
The brand is Schurgers, it's from the Netherlands.

So, here's the big question on my mind: is Schurgers open to making and selling a small batch of these frames and brackets again, or supporting derivative work? Since you're in the general area, maybe you can inquire more easily than we in the US can (avoids misunderstandings, etc, and you can impress them with your install).

Personally I am most intrigued by the front fender mod...so you ended up modifying a BMW GS fender?
Yup, that took some effort because the upside down forks, as you can see it is pretty close to the tires. I hope that the next set of more roadish tires will offer some extra space. The bracket for it mounted behind the fork protectors and the fender is on the bracket from above. My bike is in the shop getting the SC fitted but I'll try some pictures when it gets back.

That's interesting, thank you. I've considered how to accomplish this, and might be able to get a local manufacturer to stamp out something quickly that's stiff enough to adapt various fenders.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 06, 2017, 11:49:30 AM
I've contacted Schurgers about making a new line before but with moulding costs that was going to be too expensive to be realistic for >100 pieces.

Are you looking for a more tour or race fairing? Because if its the latter you could try an R1/R6, riders drop those bikes all the time and they are popular for racing so there is a decent trade in after market fairing pieces.

As for the fender, check Ebay or Craigslist, you should be able to pick one up for 20-30 bucks. Once you place it on your wheel it won't be that hard to visualise the mounting needed.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 07, 2017, 02:42:56 PM
Anyway next thing on the list are the mirrors, they create some extra drag and I'm looking if I can transfer them on the fairing. On the inside there is a nice flat surface on which a concave mirror might fit.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 07, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
Anyway next thing on the list are the mirrors, they create some extra drag and I'm looking if I can transfer them on the fairing. On the inside there is a nice flat surface on which a concave mirror might fit.

That's a good thought.

In case it helps, there's a Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/1377113942357810/) about adding these small blindspot mirrors to the inner corner of the OEM mirrors. I'll add them to the wiki, next to my favorite RiderScan (http://www.huntercreate.com/shop/riderscan) blindspot checker:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4Z8D6/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4Z8D6/)

There are plenty of mirrors meant to mount onto a fairing surface but they'll still add to drag. I have seen two Zeros now with tail cameras and a waterproof screen for a rear view. Maybe blindspot mirrors plus a camera system would suite you.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 07, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
I've contacted Schurgers about making a new line before but with moulding costs that was going to be too expensive to be realistic for >100 pieces.

Thanks for asking them. Does that mean they don't have a mold in a warehouse for this shape? Or that the per-customer use of the mold is still too expensive to justify except at scale. I guess it's the latter.

This is why we don't have fairings widely available for our Zeros yet.

Are you looking for a more tour or race fairing? Because if its the latter you could try an R1/R6, riders drop those bikes all the time and they are popular for racing so there is a decent trade in after market fairing pieces.


My 2016 is turning into a trip bike, but sport touring fairing for my 2013 would be attractive if I can arrange it for less trouble. (I keep hearing that someone has one in the works, so I might keep waiting a bit and use the Parabellum.) For a while, I looked at Hayabusa fairings because they had a nice profile and are somewhat available used.
As for the fender, check Ebay or Craigslist, you should be able to pick one up for 20-30 bucks. Once you place it on your wheel it won't be that hard to visualise the mounting needed.

Yes, that seems about right. I'm hoping there's some widely available fender to use, so that one bracket can be used by many people. Really, it just has to bend easily to fit, and to hold the fender very stiffly.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 08, 2017, 01:26:10 AM
Anyway next thing on the list are the mirrors, they create some extra drag and I'm looking if I can transfer them on the fairing. On the inside there is a nice flat surface on which a concave mirror might fit.

That's a good thought.

In case it helps, there's a Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/1377113942357810/) about adding these small blindspot mirrors to the inner corner of the OEM mirrors. I'll add them to the wiki, next to my favorite RiderScan (http://www.huntercreate.com/shop/riderscan) blindspot checker:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4Z8D6/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4Z8D6/)

There are plenty of mirrors meant to mount onto a fairing surface but they'll still add to drag. I have seen two Zeros now with tail cameras and a waterproof screen for a rear view. Maybe blindspot mirrors plus a camera system would suite you.
I love those blind spot mirrors, I put them on every bike I had. A small fairing mirror that deflect upwards to create a wake for you arms of handlebar mounted mirror are both also better than the current ones.

A rear view camera is interesting but I don't know if I would get used to that.

I've contacted Schurgers about making a new line before but with moulding costs that was going to be too expensive to be realistic for >100 pieces.

Thanks for asking them. Does that mean they don't have a mold in a warehouse for this shape? Or that the per-customer use of the mold is still too expensive to justify except at scale. I guess it's the latter.

This is why we don't have fairings widely available for our Zeros yet.

Are you looking for a more tour or race fairing? Because if its the latter you could try an R1/R6, riders drop those bikes all the time and they are popular for racing so there is a decent trade in after market fairing pieces.


My 2016 is turning into a trip bike, but sport touring fairing for my 2013 would be attractive if I can arrange it for less trouble. (I keep hearing that someone has one in the works, so I might keep waiting a bit and use the Parabellum.) For a while, I looked at Hayabusa fairings because they had a nice profile and are somewhat available used.
As for the fender, check Ebay or Craigslist, you should be able to pick one up for 20-30 bucks. Once you place it on your wheel it won't be that hard to visualise the mounting needed.

Yes, that seems about right. I'm hoping there's some widely available fender to use, so that one bracket can be used by many people. Really, it just has to bend easily to fit, and to hold the fender very stiffly.
I can ask again but I doubt they have 30 year old moulds lying around. Have you thought about using a Windjammer? Those fairings can be found without much hassle.

When the bike gets back from the SC install I'll try to remove the front fender for you to show.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 08, 2017, 03:03:40 AM
Anyway next thing on the list are the mirrors, they create some extra drag and I'm looking if I can transfer them on the fairing. On the inside there is a nice flat surface on which a concave mirror might fit.

That's a good thought.

In case it helps, there's a Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/permalink/1377113942357810/) about adding these small blindspot mirrors to the inner corner of the OEM mirrors. I'll add them to the wiki, next to my favorite RiderScan (http://www.huntercreate.com/shop/riderscan) blindspot checker:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4Z8D6/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4Z8D6/)

There are plenty of mirrors meant to mount onto a fairing surface but they'll still add to drag. I have seen two Zeros now with tail cameras and a waterproof screen for a rear view. Maybe blindspot mirrors plus a camera system would suite you.


I love those blind spot mirrors, I put them on every bike I had. A small fairing mirror that deflect upwards to create a wake for you arms of handlebar mounted mirror are both also better than the current ones.


These blind spot mirrors are better than the small circular ones I use on my V-Strom, but the RiderScan has been even better.


That's a good point about a well-chosen fairing mirror - can you link an example?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on July 08, 2017, 03:08:23 AM
I can ask again but I doubt they have 30 year old moulds lying around.

Oh! I didn't realize it was that old - I thought mid-90s or so, but I suppose that is already fairly old.

Have you thought about using a Windjammer? Those fairings can be found without much hassle.

Yes, I have more than quite a bit considered that; I'm practically in Vetter's backyard and have spent a good amount of time at his workshop working on a tail. They are pretty heavy for a 2013 and not as helpful as what Schurger put together there, though.

When the bike gets back from the SC install I'll try to remove the front fender for you to show.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on July 08, 2017, 11:45:13 AM
My BMW K75RT had something more or less like that:

(http://www.largiader.com/k75/overall.jpg)

You could feel the wind being splitted around you arms, very comfortable. Speaking of, the RT is a favourite bike to customize. Those fairings are also very good although the BMW's are a tad bigger than Zero's.

I can ask again but I doubt they have 30 year old moulds lying around.

Oh! I didn't realize it was that old - I thought mid-90s or so, but I suppose that is already fairly old.

Have you thought about using a Windjammer? Those fairings can be found without much hassle.

Yes, I have more than quite a bit considered that; I'm practically in Vetter's backyard and have spent a good amount of time at his workshop working on a tail. They are pretty heavy for a 2013 and not as helpful as what Schurger put together there, though.

When the bike gets back from the SC install I'll try to remove the front fender for you to show.

Thanks!
Let me provide you with your existential crisis of the day, the year 2030 is way closer than 2000 nowadays :o

Must be nice to live that close to a legend, what does he think of your latest dustbin nose?
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 03, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
Made a quick video of the end result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNaL1Urwxo

I barely rode 500km with it but am still very happy with it.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Electric Terry on November 03, 2017, 11:12:28 PM
Wow great work Erasmo!! Looks awesome!!  Nice mods to the rack for the Pelican case too!

I was surprised however at the 1 minute mark to see that you were parked at a fast charge station but weren't fast charging while taking the video ;)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: togo on November 04, 2017, 12:31:29 AM
Made a quick video of the end result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNaL1Urwxo

I barely rode 500km with it but am still very happy with it.

Awesome work!  More construction details, please!

Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 04, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Thanks, too bad the Youtube compression wasn't friendly on my video file so the quality is a bit meh...

I could say that the return trip would only use half my battery but who am I kidding, if I could I would be charging the thing but it still isn't installed properly ::) Maybe in the next video I'll do a bit more on the fast charging troubles...

Currently mounting 1 brick on a piece of plywood so that I can at least chuck it in the case and have 6,6kW charging for trips that are out of range.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Electric Terry on November 04, 2017, 03:18:52 AM
Erasmo you have how many Diginow chargers total?  Where is your intended mounting location for them?  But I like the idea of using it right away.  I think even just sitting on a towel or sweatshirt you could carry 2 of them easily in the Pelican case.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 04, 2017, 03:51:52 AM
Erasmo you have how many Diginow chargers total?  Where is your intended mounting location for them?  But I like the idea of using it right away.  I think even just sitting on a towel or sweatshirt you could carry 2 of them easily in the Pelican case.
4. At this point I'm thinking panniers to keep the center mass low. I just hooked up a temporally solution with 2 units to get around until that time, I posted it in Superchargers in panniers, but with a twist? (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7498.msg62891#msg62891)
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Electric Terry on November 04, 2017, 04:36:16 AM
Erasmo you have how many Diginow chargers total?  Where is your intended mounting location for them?  But I like the idea of using it right away.  I think even just sitting on a towel or sweatshirt you could carry 2 of them easily in the Pelican case.
4. At this point I'm thinking panniers to keep the center mass low. I just hooked up a temporally solution with 2 units to get around until that time, I posted it in Superchargers in panniers, but with a twist? (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7498.msg62891#msg62891)

4 superchargers?  Nice!!  8) 8) 8) I also have 4 superchargers and love it!  Max out 2 J plugs and you're going again in no time!
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: gyrocyclist on November 04, 2017, 05:06:57 AM
Made a quick video of the end result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNaL1Urwxo

I barely rode 500km with it but am still very happy with it.
Just WOW! I would easily pay $2000 US for that. Likely more, depending on how much it increases range and comfort.

Also liked the pic of the windmill. Looks very similar to the new ones gracing the hills in Livermore, CA (30 miles east of San Fransisco)  http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/08/28/altamont-pass-wind-farm-gets-major-upgrade/
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: Erasmo on November 04, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
Erasmo you have how many Diginow chargers total?  Where is your intended mounting location for them?  But I like the idea of using it right away.  I think even just sitting on a towel or sweatshirt you could carry 2 of them easily in the Pelican case.
4. At this point I'm thinking panniers to keep the center mass low. I just hooked up a temporally solution with 2 units to get around until that time, I posted it in Superchargers in panniers, but with a twist? (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7498.msg62891#msg62891)

4 superchargers?  Nice!!  8) 8) 8) I also have 4 superchargers and love it!  Max out 2 J plugs and you're going again in no time!
Well with all those extra batteries you're probably still way under 1C ;D Do you have the SC's for the mothership in the top case?

Made a quick video of the end result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNaL1Urwxo

I barely rode 500km with it but am still very happy with it.
Just WOW! I would easily pay $2000 US for that. Likely more, depending on how much it increases range and comfort.

Also liked the pic of the windmill. Looks very similar to the new ones gracing the hills in Livermore, CA (30 miles east of San Fransisco)  http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/08/28/altamont-pass-wind-farm-gets-major-upgrade/
Funny thing is these turbines are actually somewhat old, new ones can be double as high since the efficiency scales directly with size. I spend a lot of time at sea and to see the massive coastal wind parks up close never ceases to amaze me.

Go for it! Keep an eye on craigslist for older fairings, 90's Honda third party fairings seem to fit pretty good on the Zero frame.
I had most of the work done at a local independent panel beater, since it needed to go to him for painting anyway, total cost for the project was about €1000.
Title: Re: Fairing suggestions
Post by: nnelson65 on July 26, 2018, 03:16:58 AM
A few more potential half-fairing options that someone could try...  Yamaha FZ6 (circa 2007ish) or Suzuki SV650