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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: yugi on July 25, 2016, 12:02:27 PM
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Hi,
I'm currently in a process of revamping my stable. I have 2007 BMW R1200S and 2012 Sym Wolf Classic 150. Had a 2009 Buell 1125CR for 6 years, but sold it now. My plan was to sell Sym Wolf too, and to buy something light and inexpensive like KTM Duke 390, Honda CB300F, Kawasaki Ninja 300 or Suzuki DRZ400SM. But then I saw this new model from Zero. I use Sym for the city and commute to work, occasional highway. Sym is not fast. It can go up to 70-75 on a highway, but for the city it's fine. My commute to work is 5 miles one way, with occasional errands, which will not exceed 20 miles round trip, mostly city, occasional stretch on a highway, but only for a few exits. I test rode FXS 6.5 and liked it, but I think that 3.3 will suffice me for everyday use. I can use BMW for longer travel.
The only problems are the price and the range. My local dealer wants $10200 OTD, but I can get $850 federal, $900 California (uncertain), and $650 from Zero. Even after all that, the price comes to $7800, considering I can buy any of the above mentioned bikes below $5-6k after taxes (some used).
Should I go for it, or just skip for now and go with a nice used DRZ for under $5k? What do you think?
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Factor in gas for a year and see where that gets you. That was the deciding factor for me when buying my SR. If the comparative cost of electricity to gas is what they say it is ($0.01/mile) then by using my SR over my car to commute daily saves me almost a gallon of gas a day which adds up over the year. It may not be worth it to you if your commute is only 5 miles, but mines is about 30 so to me its helping.
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1- do it
2- get the 6.5, you will kick yourself later if you don't
3- stop worrying about price and instead focus on the fun!
i just rolled 1000 miles on my new FXS and have to say it was the easiest 1000 miles ever on a new bike. then you add in the speed, acceleration, low costs, no maintenance, it's exclusivity, and it's FUN level, it's a winner in my book.
laters,
laramie ;)
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Also factor in the cost of dealer maintenance (especially on a bike like the KTM Duke). I would go for the two-brick FXS as the one-brick version might not qualify for the CA rebate. I think they may have a lower limit on battery capacity in order to get that rebate and the same may be true for the Federal income tax credit. ???
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For commute, I see absolutely no reason to go gas and not electric. Get the 6.5 if you can - you do not want to be emptying the battery too often and you will enjoy the added range for errands and such. Yes, the FX is expensive, you can't really justify the price with savings - it just ain't going to happen unless you ride a lot and keep the bike many years and it is trouble-free. It's the fun factor and ease of use and maintenance, but the savings I don't think will ever add-up to justify double the cost of something comparable in a gas bike.
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Also factor in the cost of dealer maintenance (especially on a bike like the KTM Duke). I would go for the two-brick FXS as the one-brick version might not qualify for the CA rebate. I think they may have a lower limit on battery capacity in order to get that rebate and the same may be true for the Federal income tax credit. ???
I checked, and it does qualify for both rebates. I don't care about dealer maintenance, as I do it myself.
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1- do it
2- get the 6.5, you will kick yourself later if you don't
3- stop worrying about price and instead focus on the fun!
i just rolled 1000 miles on my new FXS and have to say it was the easiest 1000 miles ever on a new bike. then you add in the speed, acceleration, low costs, no maintenance, it's exclusivity, and it's FUN level, it's a winner in my book.
laters,
laramie ;)
I can add another brick later, right?
Speed - maxspeedwas 82 ona freeway
Acceleration was OK, but not spectacular.
no maintenance is an important criteria of course, as I don't have that much time lately.
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For commute, I see absolutely no reason to go gas and not electric. Get the 6.5 if you can - you do not want to be emptying the battery too often and you will enjoy the added range for errands and such. Yes, the FX is expensive, you can't really justify the price with savings - it just ain't going to happen unless you ride a lot and keep the bike many years and it is trouble-free. It's the fun factor and ease of use and maintenance, but the savings I don't think will ever add-up to justify double the cost of something comparable in a gas bike.
No, gas savings are not going to happen. One fill up on Sym Wolf costs around $6 and it's good for 175-185 miles of city riding. In another words, I fill up around once every 3-4 weeks
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1- do it
2- get the 6.5, you will kick yourself later if you don't
3- stop worrying about price and instead focus on the fun!
i just rolled 1000 miles on my new FXS and have to say it was the easiest 1000 miles ever on a new bike. then you add in the speed, acceleration, low costs, no maintenance, it's exclusivity, and it's FUN level, it's a winner in my book.
laters,
laramie ;)
I can add another brick later, right?
Speed - maxspeedwas 82 ona freeway
Acceleration was OK, but not spectacular.
no maintenance is an important criteria of course, as I don't have that much time lately.
Yes, a second battery brick can be added to the FX/FXS later.
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It depends on what is most important to you, some paper with a face painted on it or having a blast every time you turn a key.
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It depends on what is most important to you, some paper with a face painted on it or having a blast every time you turn a key.
Yeah, that what was happening when I was riding a Buell.
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My two cents worth of opinion: I've never ridden the FXS. I went to the shop to convince myself not to buy a Zero Motorcycles vehicle, or really any motorcycle, ever. I'd never had a bike before. In the shop they had base models S, DS, and FX. I sat on the bikes there to see what the sizing was like, and I laughed when the general manager started a sales pitch about buckets of money I would save riding electric versus gas engine... You are not going to save money because the game is rigged, we never pay the full up front cost of gas fueled vehicles, it's all externalized to somewhere else.
Here you've got an electric vehicle that's order-able, right now, and if you've got the means to buy one well... I did put a deposit down for a 2016 DSR that day, even though I tried really hard to come up with reasons why it would be stupid to buy an electric powered motorbike, or even a motorbike! I've never had a motorbike before.
What I've come up with is that if you've got cash ready to go, and you're willing to put miles on it, then Zero Motorcycles model year 2016 vehicles (specifically anything with the new improved IPM motor) are a practical and reasonable means of getting around when you want a vehicle that can also do 0-100kph in about 4 seconds. I might sell mine after the Tesla Model 3 becomes order-able but right now I'm going electric and not waiting for someday.
I just laughed reading my electric bill today, it's increased about $10/mo. I've put 3000mi+ on my 2016 DSR in the two months I've owned it, and never been to a gas station with it.
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Yugi I would also say get the 6.5 believe me you WILL want to ride this bike more than just 5 miles. The Zero specs show the 3.3 has half the horse power so it will affect the over all feel of your ride. But the two biggest reasons are money from the tax credit and money on the resale.
You can add another brick later but they will be at least a little out of balance and the longer you wait the worse it would be. The tax credit is a % of your total purchase cost so get as much as you can up front. Top case, hand guards if you want phone holder anything you think you might get, get it up front. One other thing it's great if you can work on your gas bikes yourself and yes it doesn't cost you as much money as a dealer would charge but you have to factor your time working on the bike as a cost. For the resale you may not "need" much range but the guy you try to sale it to might have a 40 mile each way ride it just really limits your field of buyers.
Good luck
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Yugi I would also say get the 6.5 believe me you WILL want to ride this bike more than just 5 miles. The Zero specs show the 3.3 has half the horse power so it will affect the over all feel of your ride. But the two biggest reasons are money from the tax credit and money on the resale.
You can add another brick later but they will be at least a little out of balance and the longer you wait the worse it would be. The tax credit is a % of your total purchase cost so get as much as you can up front. Top case, hand guards if you want phone holder anything you think you might get, get it up front. One other thing it's great if you can work on your gas bikes yourself and yes it doesn't cost you as much money as a dealer would charge but you have to factor your time working on the bike as a cost. For the resale you may not "need" much range but the guy you try to sale it to might have a 40 mile each way ride it just really limits your field of buyers.
Good luck
For 6.5 I'll need to pay $12961, and I'll get back $250 more, so after all the rebates it's gonna be $10311. No, this is out of question, too expensive, and I think that resale value of these bikes is junk anyway, regardless of the capacity. I'd rather buy a used DRZ or a new Ninja 300 instead. I can hardly justify spending $7800 on 3.3.
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The S with the 9.8kWh battery is a better value, as long as you can live with it vs. the more fun factor of the FXS. A lot more battery, and in MD at least the rebate was bigger as it is per kWh.
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I have a 2015 FX with the 5.7 battery pack. It is the Most Fun bike I have ever owned! I commute a 25 mile round trip and have about 50% battery left using mostly side streets. If you ride one, you will understand the power and manoeuvrability is outstanding. I added a small top case and hand guards also.
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I decided not buy Zero for now. There are three problems I see with this:
1. High price. I can buy much better gas bike for the same money.
2. Short range
3. Poor resale value.
I may buy used if I'll find a decent deal, but most likely I'll go for used bike, either Suzuki DR-Z400SM, Honda CB300F, Kawasaki Ninja 300, KTM Duke 390.
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If you ask anyone who has owned gas bikes and then a Zero, you will find the fun factor is so much higher with a Zero than with other motorcycles. I would get the single module FXS for now if money is tight, and you can always get another module later. But getting a Ninja 300 over an FXS is just silly. The higher price for the FXS is worth it as you will be much happier with a grin on your face every time you twist the throttle and it silently accelerates. This is totally worth it. Why settle for a Ninja 300 and not be as happy as you could be. My last gas bike was a YZF-R1, and I would always choose to ride the Zero. Just more fun all the time.
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If you ask anyone who has owned gas bikes and then a Zero, you will find the fun factor is so much higher with a Zero than with other motorcycles. I would get the single module FXS for now if money is tight, and you can always get another module later. But getting a Ninja 300 over an FXS is just silly. The higher price for the FXS is worth it as you will be much happier with a grin on your face every time you twist the throttle and it silently accelerates. This is totally worth it. Why settle for a Ninja 300 and not be as happy as you could be. My last gas bike was a YZF-R1, and I would always choose to ride the Zero. Just more fun all the time.
Actually I test rode R1, and didn't like it, my Buell 1125CR was much better than R1. FXS is also nice, but not at the same league as a Buell.
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I decided not buy Zero for now. There are three problems I see with this:
1. High price. I can buy much better gas bike for the same money.
2. Short range
3. Poor resale value.
I may buy used if I'll find a decent deal, but most likely I'll go for used bike, either Suzuki DR-Z400SM, Honda CB300F, Kawasaki Ninja 300, KTM Duke 390.
Most of us EV riders faced your listed 3 factors and split the other way...
1. Affordable price
2. Long enough range
3. I'm never gonna sell it
"better gas bike" is perhaps an area for iteration. To me, there isn't a "better gas bike".
Consideration for the environment and the non-renewable nature of petroleum fuels eclipses any categorical inadequacies.
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Most of us EV riders faced your listed 3 factors and split the other way...
1. Affordable price
2. Long enough range
3. I'm never gonna sell it
"better gas bike" is perhaps an area for iteration. To me, there isn't a "better gas bike".
Consideration for the environment and the non-renewable nature of petroleum fuels eclipses any categorical inadequacies.
1. no.
2. no.
3. no.
and that last sentence? hell no.
If you ever want EVs to be universally accepted, you're going to have to have them fit mainstream people that are not environmentalists. Not try to shove your ideas to the mainstream and go "see! good enough because the environment over everything!".
That said, a more realistic list is like this:
1. Price is high if you're comparing an entry level ICE bike to a zero. however a zero is entertaining to riders of all levels, while most entry level ICE bikes get outgrown or never ridden. You cant compare a new bike and a used bike, or the used bike makes more sense every time. Instead of comparing the zero to the smaller bikes, compare them to the middleweights.
2. the range is the range. It works for most but not all. If it works for you, great. If it doesnt work for you, dont try to force it. If you're borderline that is where it becomes a hard decision. I am in the borderline fringe myself. My best rides involve a 4hr high speed trip to some mountains, then some of the best riding in the country for 2 days, then high speed interstate home. Clearly the zero does not work for this... however 95% of my riding is not any of my long trips, its going out at lunch, going to work, going to the store or crusing around town. the zero works better for this. Its like a magic flying carpet. silent and a sensation of flying. no warmup, just get on and go. excellent for errands or going out at night without annoying the neighbors. If I tried to keep my ICE bike and this you end up with a bike with issues from not being ridden... so I just dont go on long trips as much.
3. You will sell it. Like all new motorcycles it will be worth far less when you do. The only way to minimize this depreciation is to buy used. The zero will lose value the same way buying a flagship sportbike and dressing it for racing will lose value... its worth about half the price after 3 years. The zero currently has as a smaller market to sell into as well, so its a hard sell. Sucky but true. If you can accept this dollar loss, than get one. If its unacceptable, then the economics dont work for you, and you're better off with a used ICE bike. Buying an EV will not save you money in most cases... so if your reasons for getting a zero is lower cost, the depreciation alone makes that impossible. on top of that you have every regular maintenance of a ICE bike except oil changes... instead of valves its motor alignment... but tires, brakes, checkups, bearings, etc all still occur.
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I decided not buy Zero for now. There are three problems I see with this:
1. High price. I can buy much better gas bike for the same money.
2. Short range
3. Poor resale value.
I may buy used if I'll find a decent deal, but most likely I'll go for used bike, either Suzuki DR-Z400SM, Honda CB300F, Kawasaki Ninja 300, KTM Duke 390.
Most of us EV riders faced your listed 3 factors and split the other way...
1. Affordable price
2. Long enough range
3. I'm never gonna sell it
"better gas bike" is perhaps an area for iteration. To me, there isn't a "better gas bike".
Consideration for the environment and the non-renewable nature of petroleum fuels eclipses any categorical inadequacies.
Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.
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Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.
This is a pure BS statement.
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Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.
The first half of that statement is debatable...
you can argue over "better". better than what? what is better? Isnt a bus or bicycle better than any motorcycle?
you can argue over "environment". Are we talking city air quality? mining? theres room to talk.
but that last statement of "they pollute more than a gas ones" is incorrect.
The bike itself is made just like ICE motorcycles... including the motor (starter), controller (ECU) etc.. only large difference is the battery. Lithium for batteries is mined in salt flats, far from the popular pics of strip mining. overall the bike creation is a net zero compared to ICE.
So then theres pollution in use.
People argue that the pollution is moved from the tailpipe to the power station, but thats not exactly true.
First of all, some parts of the world are primarily nuclear, with solar and wind helping. Its true others are coal or natural gas. How energy is generated near you is not universal.
So lets say you have dirty power, like coal. Because its stationary instead of moving, it can be scrubbed and filtered easier. Per unit of power generated, its still cleaner than even the most efficient catalyst equipped ICE motorcycle.
On top of this, your ICE bike at best uses 1/3 of the energy of gasoline to move. The other 2/3 leaves as heat and emissions. With an electric bike, there are losses from chargers to battery to the inverter and motor... but it still is an 80% efficient pathway. So even if the bike is really running of coal instead of solar, its cleaner overall.
Then theres wastes. Brakes and tires are identical. so is grease and bearings. Oil however is another story... thats a couple quarts every 3 to 5 thousand miles for some bikes. After the bike is totalled, the battery, copper and aluminum have significant value as scrap and will likely be recycled. The motor of an ICE has mixed metals and is of far less value as scrap.
so no, from creation to power generation in use to trash, the electric bike creates less pollution, and the energy pollution it creates is in a managed area, not in the middle of the living areas. (unless you live downwind of a old powerplant outside the USA)
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on the otherhand... I suppose ANYTHING could pollute if you try hard enough...
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--p2yEeND---/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pz8sbzt6g50iyelr6bru.gif)
from:
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987 (http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987)
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on the otherhand... I suppose ANYTHING could pollute if you try hard enough...
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--p2yEeND---/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pz8sbzt6g50iyelr6bru.gif)
from:
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987 (http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987)
well played MrDude_1
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One thing to keep in mind when buying a bike is insurance cost. The Zero cost me around $11 a month . I was looking into a Yamaha fz-07 and fz-09 and the cost was around 80-90 per month. I also considered a used supermoto bike but all the 250/450 bikes out there are not meant to last without engine rebuilds every couple hundred hours. I would suggest doing a long demo ride or two to see if it fits your needs. If you still are not sure then look elsewhere . You don't want to be pushing range to the very edge or you won't enjoy riding it as much.
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My first Electric Motorsport cost me $5 a year for $250K/500K liability-only insurance when I first insured it with Progressive Insurance 5 years ago. Every year after that my electric motorcycle insurance premium has been rising. Now it is up to $90 a year, which is more than I pay for my new BMW R1200RS ($80 a year). Kind of odd. I can only surmise that Progressive Insurance believes that an electric motorcycle has a higher possibility of causing property damage than does a large, fast and heavy IC motorcycle. If that is the case, I wonder how they arrived at that conclusion? ???
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Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.
This is a pure BS statement.
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084440_does-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car-pollute-more-than-an-suv (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084440_does-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car-pollute-more-than-an-suv)
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/21/tesla-pollute-more-hong-kong-than-gas-cars/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/21/tesla-pollute-more-hong-kong-than-gas-cars/)
http://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/ (http://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/)
Etc,etc,etc. I don't care about gas savings by electric vehicles. It's all hype to up the sales. I'm not considering to buy an electric bike because I'll save on gas.
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One thing to keep in mind when buying a bike is insurance cost. The Zero cost me around $11 a month . I was looking into a Yamaha fz-07 and fz-09 and the cost was around 80-90 per month. I also considered a used supermoto bike but all the 250/450 bikes out there are not meant to last without engine rebuilds every couple hundred hours. I would suggest doing a long demo ride or two to see if it fits your needs. If you still are not sure then look elsewhere . You don't want to be pushing range to the very edge or you won't enjoy riding it as much.
Do you know how much is insurance for my Sym Wolf 150? Forty seven f-king dollars per year! This includes collision and comprehensive. is your BMW liability only?
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Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.
This is a pure BS statement.
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084440_does-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car-pollute-more-than-an-suv (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084440_does-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car-pollute-more-than-an-suv)
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/21/tesla-pollute-more-hong-kong-than-gas-cars/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/21/tesla-pollute-more-hong-kong-than-gas-cars/)
http://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/ (http://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/)
Etc,etc,etc. I don't care about gas savings by electric vehicles. It's all hype to up the sales. I'm not considering to buy an electric bike because I'll save on gas.
Did you even read the articles you linked to or did you just read the headline?!?! The very first article you linked to DISPUTES the idea that EV's pollute more than an ICE, it doesn't corroborate it. ::) All three are based on the same BS analysis that doesn't take into account several key factors and the motivation of the author of that BS analysis is in obvious question. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to promote oil/gas/coal by pointing out that oil/gas/coal are dirty. EV's get cleaner as the grid gets cleaner. An ICE gets dirtier with every mile driven. The fossil fuel industry is using the same tactics that were used by the tobacco industry.
If you don't want to buy a Zero or any other EV then don't....but the idea that "Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones." is BS just like I said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkh5nnMac7U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkh5nnMac7U)
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on the otherhand... I suppose ANYTHING could pollute if you try hard enough...
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--p2yEeND---/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pz8sbzt6g50iyelr6bru.gif)
from:
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987 (http://sploid.gizmodo.com/a-malfunctioning-flaming-wind-turbine-is-actually-quit-1784760987)
Pollution or not that just looks cool 8) haha
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I can only surmise that Progressive Insurance believes that an electric motorcycle has a higher possibility of causing property damage than does a large, fast and heavy IC motorcycle. If that is the case, I wonder how they arrived at that conclusion? ???
Insurance is strange from the perspective of the end users because its based of math and trends that you cant see the data for.
Its not that your bike will cause higher property damage, is that its more likely they have to payout more for a claim. Given the low volume of the bikes, It would only take a couple expensive battery replacements to make insurance higher.
that doesnt include any bike-caused fires, exotic accidents and other strange things that may have happened.
Bike insurance is strange in that they tend to use only new OEM parts for liability reasons, and everything is pre-painted from the factory... meaning that if you have a scratch on an engine cover they buy a new cover.... in the case of a zero, a dent or scratch in the monolith from a small accident could be a multi-thousand dollar claim for monolith replacement.
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But in my case, I don't have crash or comprehensive protection, just third-party liability insurance. ???
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So I've already committed to begin avoiding petroleum as a transportation energy source. Sounds weak but it is a big course change.
I dabbled in BioDiesel but the diesel motorcycle market has a hard time passing environmental restrictions. (and now even regular diesel is becoming a tapestry of lies)
What then is the best motorcycle choice?
A Zero Motorcycle. That is why I bought one.
If a Zero is too expensive, then it is too expensive for you to buy - so this is an important hurdle to clear.
(I don't always make the most frugal decisions, so I am not driven to recoup costs or limit every decision I make by the long term financial payout.)
I do not foresee selling my Zero, your worries of a lower resale value may mean cheaper long term insurance.
I still have the motorcycle I bought 30 years ago. So I expect to have my Zero 30 years from now as it is my established trend.
Consideration for the environment isn't really just the refuge of the environmentalists.
In the US most common pollutants have been falling for decades.
This is not because environmentalists made independent purchasing choices in denial of their environmental concerns.
It is through additional pollution controls on automotive vehicles which everyone is buying and only a few are bypassing for performance, or spite.
Being kind to the environment was a successful national endeavor for the major pollutants of the time.
it just needs to go further than combustion can take us.
The campaign to vilify the basic ideals of environmentalism (seen here and elsewhere) is one of the reasons why - whenever I do burn gasoline, I make unreasonable efforts to be sure none of it comes from the Exxon-Mobile Supply chain. The only reason Exxon is not being charged for this well documented deception scheme is the statute of limitations for fraud is just 7 years. And their campaign is now carried willingly by others and unwilling by certain posters. I missed sanctioning them for the Tetraethyl Lead poisoning of millions.
(That flaming windmill - the petroleum lubricants are most of what would burn)
I avoid BP. Because of the spill. No not Deepwater Horizon, but Prudhoe Bay in 2006. Coupled with very active price fixing schemes and scandals the executives at BP can count me out as a patron. Anyone smart enough to drop them after Exxon Valdez, I apologize for waiting for strike two. If you still pull into the BP pumps and your retirement isn't dependent on the British Stock Market, research where your dollars go and what they are used for and you should reconsider.
And the list goes on.... (oh yeah as a landowner at risk of losing my clean groundwater I'm suing a too close pipeline company bent on expansion to comply with insurance requirements - so I'm no friend of theirs either)
There are then so many Petroleum Companies one should not in good conscious patronize - switching to EV is at least a relief of options. Yes, now I'm stuck with one megalomaniac generally incapable of price fixing thanks to monopoly status corporation (actually worse its a Co-op). At least they delivering 50% renewable power to my house over a wire, it should make it to 100% renewable in the next few years as more sources come on line. If I decide I can't wait - I'll go solar myself.
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I finally bought a new 2016 KTM Duke 390 for $5200 OTD. Zero - may be next time. I'll monitor prices closely.
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bad choice, the FXS is faster off the line and a lot more fun to ride.. if you can afford it.
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bad choice, the FXS is faster off the line and a lot more fun to ride.. if you can afford it.
I can afford it, but not with these kind of specs and price. FXS 3.3 is faster than Duke by a whopping 0.5 seconds 0-60 mph. But it also costs around $2600 more even after all the incentives, and the range is around 100+ miles shorter. Zero is just not there yet. Maybe next time.