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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Lecram on May 20, 2015, 09:35:34 PM
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I am searching for a windscreen for my 2015 DS. Zero has some windscreens in their shop, but there are also other universal screens that should fit.
What windscreen do you have and are you happy with this? Does this windscreen reduce energy consumption as well?
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puig universal touring screens fit.
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/puig-universal-touring-windscreen (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/puig-universal-touring-windscreen)
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Thanks!
I just bought this one for the DS, from MRA:
(http://www.mv-motorrad.de/cosmoshop/default/pix/a/n/1306348748-25189.jpg)
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I have the original one from Zero I think its a little small if you're looking for good wind protection. It does take the wind off you chest but it still hits your shoulders. I still get a lot of wind noise coming off my helmet. I was hoping for more coverage.
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I have the original one from Zero I think its a little small if you're looking for good wind protection. It does take the wind off you chest but it still hits your shoulders. I still get a lot of wind noise coming off my helmet. I was hoping for more coverage.
Did it came with the bike or did you purchase it afterwards? If the latter, did you see a significant improvement on your range?
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I have the Puig Universal, and while it does take the wind off your chest, I'm not sure it has altered the range at all.
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My ride is around a 40 miles round trip commute mainly highway. Im usually traveling 70-75mph. After getting home I usually had 52-55 miles left. After purchase of the shield Im getting 56-59 miles. My main reason for buying the shield was to get the wind off my chest. I came from a 650 scooter with full fairings and an extra large Givi shield so I had little wind on me. Im currently looking for an aftermarket larger universal windshield to cover more of my shoulders now
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Can you post photos of your screens installed please.
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Heres a couple of pics
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww129/joystix2/CYMERA_20150513_064955.jpg) (http://s712.photobucket.com/user/joystix2/media/CYMERA_20150513_064955.jpg.html)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww129/joystix2/CYMERA_20150513_064942.jpg) (http://s712.photobucket.com/user/joystix2/media/CYMERA_20150513_064942.jpg.html)
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Despite being a universal shield it looks quite good.
My ride is around a 40 miles round trip commute mainly highway. Im usually traveling 70-75mph. After getting home I usually had 52-55 miles left. After purchase of the shield Im getting 56-59 miles. My main reason for buying the shield was to get the wind off my chest. I came from a 650 scooter with full fairings and an extra large Givi shield so I had little wind on me. Im currently looking for an aftermarket larger universal windshield to cover more of my shoulders now
That's a noticeable difference. I get why you want a bigger wind shield, currently I'm driving a BMW K75RT and it is just a bliss not to be blasted away at speeds above 120 km/h.
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My windshield is the stock one ordered from Zero. I agree it does look nice. Most Universal screens attach to the bars but this one uses 2 of the 4 allen bolts used to hold the handle bar in place.
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Today I received my MRA windscreen. I did a testdrive and it works great. Depending on the position of the small screen, the wind is making more or less noise around the head. But it keeps the wind from chest and shoulders. Even at topspeed it's pretty (relatively) comfortable and I find it isn't looking too bad.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rr8MO-yo8wo/VWYPFtoD41I/AAAAAAACOrs/Uk77Clc3G64/w1153-h865-no/IMG_3048.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zibi9G8L2EA/VWYPGSIdYoI/AAAAAAACOrw/ilUq_ylbaPk/w1153-h865-no/IMG_3049.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EMSlNek7Swk/VWYPHCzs8bI/AAAAAAACOr8/zw5iHcEoc08/w1153-h865-no/IMG_3051.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-g1BEFQMuNx0/VWYPI_eOxGI/AAAAAAACOsU/unlSBwvGb9s/w1153-h865-no/IMG_3064.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zl5P7DZtzWY/VWYPJY907VI/AAAAAAACOsY/Y_NMklewLAU/w1153-h865-no/IMG_3065.JPG)
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Here is mine from MRA style ST, it works and looks clean on my ZERO DS MY15.
https://goo.gl/photos/UAxCkZNJvDNDonuP6
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I'm trying to "winterize" my 2013 DS so I can commute in the rain all winter (about 50 km of highway each way), and I'm looking for as big a windshield as possible that will cover as much as possible. Any ideas of what would fit?
Other threads I've been keeping an eye on:
- Screens and efficiency and range (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5156.0;topicseen)
- Zero commuter windshield (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=3476.msg)
- Fork wind deflectors (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5033.msg)
Thanks
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I have the original one from Zero I think its a little small if you're looking for good wind protection. It does take the wind off you chest but it still hits your shoulders. I still get a lot of wind noise coming off my helmet. I was hoping for more coverage.
I have found exactly the same thing with Zero's commuter screen on my 2015 SR
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I have the Puig Universal, and while it does take the wind off your chest, I'm not sure it has altered the range at all.
Do you find that the Puig Universal protects your neck and shoulder also or is it too small?
Do you think this Slipstreamer would fit? It looks like the curved sides would hit the pointy part of the tank...
I don't care what it looks like, it's just for the winter and I want to be as warm, dry, and comfy as I can. 8)
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I have the Puig Universal, and while it does take the wind off your chest, I'm not sure it has altered the range at all.
Do you find that the Puig Universal protects your neck and shoulder also or is it too small?
Do you think this Slipstreamer would fit? It looks like the curved sides would hit the pointy part of the tank...
I don't care what it looks like, it's just for the winter and I want to be as warm, dry, and comfy as I can. 8)
I used that exact same Slipstreamer on my 1993 Honda 750 Nighthawk and it turned out to be too large for the bike. It cut the gas mileage by 10% and it felt like the engine was really struggling pushing the thing around. A National Cycle Deflector Screen DX worked much better, was less expensive, much easier to remove and replace and didn't affect the handling or gas mileage much, if at all.
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Do you think this Slipstreamer would fit? It looks like the curved sides would hit the pointy part of the tank...
Patrick, that's EXACTLY the windscreen I have, and I couldn't be happier with it. You do need to mount it as low as possible or it will hit on the pointy thingies, but mounted low it clears. In addition the headlight cutout is much too large for modern motorcycles (including the S and SR) and it looks a little weird, but the protection level is great (though I'm only 5' 11" I have short legs and sit very tall), and I swear I got a 20+% improvement in range when I mounted it. I'm skeptical of that number myself, but it really is what I calculated, though I only did two comparisons and who knows how similar the riding conditions were.
Overall I'm very glad I got this instead of one of those little bikini fairings that look great but accomplish very little.
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Any chance you could post a picture of the slipstreamer installed? Also, could you pass along the model number for the slipstreamer that fits?
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Doug, I'm really glad to hear that. Do you have pictures? I'd love to see what it looks like. Also, any comments regarding Richard's concerns that it might be too big and affect handling?
Richard, how is the National Cycle Deflector Screen DX in terms of wind coverage?
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Doug, I'm really glad to hear that. Do you have pictures? I'd love to see what it looks like. Also, any comments regarding Richard's concerns that it might be too big and affect handling?
Richard, how is the National Cycle Deflector Screen DX in terms of wind coverage?
About 30% taller and wider than the Zero MRA screen. But it sure is a lot easier to remove - and cheaper, too. :)
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As requested. Sorry it's not a great picture. If I remember tomorrow I'll try to get a pic in better light.
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And just for fun: Mike Corbin's Sparrow 2 prototype, as seen at the Vetter Challenge in Hollister on July 4th.
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I had a similar style of screen on my scooter and it's range went down too. But it was mounted almost vertically.
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Hi Doug, do you have a model number / link for that screen? Thanks!
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Apparently it's a "Slip Streamer III S-03". It now says it's for some particular motorcycles, and the price has come up $20 since I ordered mine. It's universal, though.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WK36BS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WK36BS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00)
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Here is a photo of the Zero windshield on my 2014 S compared with the National Cycle Deflector shield DX on my Royal Enfield. They look about the same size, but the DX is actually a little wider and taller.
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Here is a photo showing how the National Cycle Deflector screen DX is attached to the handlebars. Once the clamps are attached, they stay on permanently and you use the plastic knobs to remove and reinstall the windshield in less than a minute. But note that the clamps are designed for a 7/8" diameter bar and will be tough to fit to the tapered and short bars on the Zero. The same issue will occur with the Slipstreamer handlebar clamps. Also the Slipstreamer uses hose clamps that attach the lower part of the windshield to the upper fork tubes. Getting those clamps adjusted will be a bit of a struggle.
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The same issue will occur with the Slipstreamer handlebar clamps. Also the Slipstreamer uses hose clamps that attach the lower part of the windshield to the upper fork tubes. Getting those clamps adjusted will be a bit of a struggle.
Not mine. The handlebar clamps for the upper mounts come with two different thicknesses of rubber shim, so they fit the 7/8" bar or a thicker (1"?) bar, using the thinner shim. I put mine on the angled part of the bar, in between the upper and lower horizontal parts, and it worked fine. The lower mounting points on my screen are the headlight mounting bolts, which line up quite well, albeit at the end of the adjustment range. The only problem I had was that I needed fender washers for the lower mounts, which was easily solved by a trip to the hardware store.
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Gotta love early morning light!
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Doesn't look too shabby. Does it keep your head out of the wind?
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Doesn't look too shabby. Does it keep your head out of the wind?
When I sit up straight, which I pretty much always do, I get a little bit of buffeting at the top of my helmet. But overall it's far better than without the screen, and I'm 5'11" with no legs (29-inch inseam), so I sit tall. Otherwise the protection is very good -- if I stick a hand out into the windstream I'm always amazed how strong it is. It's very still behind the screen.
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It looks like Slipstreamer changed the lower mounting system since I bought mine about 15 years ago. My windshield didn't have a method of dealing with different handlebar sizes and it fastened to the upper fork tubes with common hose clamps. It is good to see a manufacturer make improvements to their product over the years that it has been in production.
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Doesn't look too shabby. Does it keep your head out of the wind?
When I sit up straight, which I pretty much always do, I get a little bit of buffeting at the top of my helmet. But overall it's far better than without the screen, and I'm 5'11" with no legs (29-inch inseam), so I sit tall. Otherwise the protection is very good -- if I stick a hand out into the windstream I'm always amazed how strong it is. It's very still behind the screen.
Thanks, I'm 190cm so it will be close but this with a spoiler is the best option I've seen so far.
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Just bought a used DX screen off craigslist and I'm going to try to mount it to the Zero tonight. Definitely going to be a struggle since, as someone pointed out before, the Zero's bars are tapered and the center section is too big for the mounts. Luckily I only paid $25 for it, so not a huge loss if I can't find a way to get it to work.
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I was able to get the DX mounted to my 2012 Zero. Getting the shield clamps on the bars was a struggle, but once I managed to do it the shield was stable and it is still on the bike that I gave to my daughter. Good luck!
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It works, or at least it mounts up. I'll report back tomorrow when I ride it as to wind protection, vibration, etc. I had to remove the zip ties that were installed by the dealer, install the windshield mounts and then reinstall the zip ties.
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I ended up going with the Slipstreamer Turbo (http://slipstreamer.com/motorcycle/turbo/), the smaller version of what Doug S has, and modified it so it fits better.
I added more details and pictures to my project page (http://ptruchon.pagekite.me/wiki/zerodsmods#windshield).
@BrianTRice: does the X-Screen Spoiler that you have really make a big difference with the wind noise? (ref (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5156.msg35867#msg35867))
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@BrianTRice: does the X-Screen Spoiler that you have really make a big difference with the wind noise? (ref (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5156.msg35867#msg35867))
Yeah, I think so. I have to lean a little bit forward to get all the way out of the wind, but it works great at highway speeds. I'm still looking for a better solution to stabilize the windshield than strapping a short bungee cord around the bottom, but it works so far!
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Really nice mod, Patrick! It looks like a factory fit. My experience has been pretty much exactly what you said -- everything is pretty well protected except the top of the helmet. I was also surprised how well my hands were covered -- they're in virtually still air. I use my summer gloves long after I've switched from my summer jacket to my winter jacket.
Let me know if you try the spoiler and how well it works. Personally I like the low top edge, and (especially with a tint) I'm not sure I'd like it coming up higher into my line of sight. I'm willing to put up with a little buffeting for the clean sight line, but then I haven't tried any of the spoilers either.
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@BrianTRice: does the X-Screen Spoiler that you have really make a big difference with the wind noise? (ref (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5156.msg35867#msg35867))
Yeah, I think so. I have to lean a little bit forward to get all the way out of the wind, but it works great at highway speeds. I'm still looking for a better solution to stabilize the windshield than strapping a short bungee cord around the bottom, but it works so far!
I did take some more pictures of the bike with it installed. Yes, those are SP plastics. :D
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I have the original one from Zero I think its a little small if you're looking for good wind protection. It does take the wind off you chest but it still hits your shoulders. I still get a lot of wind noise coming off my helmet. I was hoping for more coverage.
I have the commuter screen from zero as well. I just put a phone mount on it (made it on a 3D printer) and had to move the metal "legs" so that the rubber/plastic end caps touch the mounts on the handlebar risers. I also made the screen a little more vertical and have found that the wind now goes over my shoulders (or at least just touches the tops of them) rather than hitting them a few inches down.
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I used Lecram's pics to help with mounting mine (thanks Lecram's!)
Pretty easy.. I'm guessing I'll try it at a few slightly different angles till I find what I think is perfect for me.
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I used Lecram's pics to help with mounting mine (thanks Lecram's!)
Pretty easy.. I'm guessing I'll try it at a few slightly different angles till I find what I think is perfect for me.
Oh, that really wide mounting is interesting; I hadn't considered that but it makes sense and maybe I'll try it.
Let us know if you experience any wobble at highway speeds and if you figure out a good solution. I'm inclined to drill holes in the bottom of the windshield so I can run a bracket or strap through it to dampen the forces.
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I have the original one from Zero I think its a little small if you're looking for good wind protection. It does take the wind off you chest but it still hits your shoulders. I still get a lot of wind noise coming off my helmet. I was hoping for more coverage.
I have the commuter screen from zero as well. I just put a phone mount on it (made it on a 3D printer) and had to move the metal "legs" so that the rubber/plastic end caps touch the mounts on the handlebar risers. I also made the screen a little more vertical and have found that the wind now goes over my shoulders (or at least just touches the tops of them) rather than hitting them a few inches down.
Here is a pic.
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I just followed hat I thought I saw in lecram's pic. It's slightly in the way of the frunk zipper (front trunk??), but seems ok so far.
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As we are having almost a real winter in the Bay Area this year, with low temp and rain, I decided to get the same SlipStreamer Doug S has.
However, I can't figure out how to deal with the lower mounts. If I attach the clamps to the fork tubes I have the problem of hitting the pointy part of the plastics.
The lower mounting points on my screen are the headlight mounting bolts, which line up quite well, albeit at the end of the adjustment range. The only problem I had was that I needed fender washers for the lower mounts, which was easily solved by a trip to the hardware store.
Doug, could you clarify how and where you attached your clamps? Did you replace the headline mounting bolts with the bolts supporting the windscreen?
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Doug, could you clarify how and where you attached your clamps? Did you replace the headline mounting bolts with the bolts supporting the windscreen?
No, I just slipped the mounting tabs underneath the headlight mounting bolts, added a fender washer because the slot in the tab was pretty wide, and used the stock bolt. There's plenty of thread engagement, especially since I made sure to use thread locking compound.
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Do you have a close-up picture, by any chance? I'm not sure I understand what you mean with "mounting tabs". In my installation kit the rods supporting the windscreen are locked in the bolts that lock the clamps around the fork tube. I'll post a picture when I get home.
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I think we have different windshields. Someone (Richard maybe?) mentioned that he had a Slipstreamer that had fork-mounted bottom supports too. Mine doesn't, it just has two slotted tabs that slide under the headlight mounting bolts.
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I think I solved the mystery...
The windscreen should be the same (it's the SlipStreamer III S-03 from amazon you posted: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WK36BS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WK36BS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00)), but they probably shipped it with the wrong installation kit.
This is the one I received:
http://slipstreamer.com/hardware/ss-28-sport-fairing/ (http://slipstreamer.com/hardware/ss-28-sport-fairing/)
while the correct one should be (can you confirm this is what you have?):
http://slipstreamer.com/hardware/slipstreamer-turbo-s-08-replacement-hardware/ (http://slipstreamer.com/hardware/slipstreamer-turbo-s-08-replacement-hardware/)
that in fact has the mounting tabs you described.
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The second one definitely looks like the one I've got. Handlebar mounting stalks with a double bend in them, and tabs instead of fork clips.
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Today I received my MRA windscreen. I did a testdrive and it works great. Depending on the position of the small screen, the wind is making more or less noise around the head. But it keeps the wind from chest and shoulders. Even at topspeed it's pretty (relatively) comfortable and I find it isn't looking too bad.
Would like to see a picture a bit further back of this set up.
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Has anyone tried this windshield? It looks like a more bottom-cropped version of the Turbo Slipstream mentioned here...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slipstreamer-Turbo-S-05-Windshield-Clear-S-05-C-/221907615829?hash=item33aab98055:g:8rYAAOSwo6lWFd6p (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slipstreamer-Turbo-S-05-Windshield-Clear-S-05-C-/221907615829?hash=item33aab98055:g:8rYAAOSwo6lWFd6p)
Looking back in the topic a third time, I see that this is actually the same windshield used by one of the riders here. I'd like to know, in that case, if a 5'9" rider would have to perform the same cutting mods to get a good fit?
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Anyone taken measurements as to how these fairings are affecting power usage at various speeds?
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Zero posted their hinted-at touring screen (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_2&products_id=230) to the accessories website.
It notably does not resemble any of MRA's product line for naked bikes (https://www.mrashop.de/com/universal-screens/nakedbike-screens/?p=2), so I'm going to suppose that this really has been designed specifically for Zero riding geometry (of course, personal rider height varies!).
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Got my Long Awaited DSP on thursday,today it was MRA Screen + Ducati Hypermotard Handguards day :-)
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:)
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8)
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Nice pics, personally, this screen look better than the one's in the Zero web shop. How is the drivers experience? And can you say something about mileage?
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I have the commuter screen and like others the air doesn't deflect enough. I just ordered this to see if it helps,
http://www.madhornets.com/windshield-windscreen-deflector-transparent-spoiler-shield-universal-motorcycle-motobike-clear/ (http://www.madhornets.com/windshield-windscreen-deflector-transparent-spoiler-shield-universal-motorcycle-motobike-clear/)
I wish Zero had a taller one.
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I have the commuter screen and like others the air doesn't deflect enough. I just ordered this to see if it helps,
http://www.madhornets.com/windshield-windscreen-deflector-transparent-spoiler-shield-universal-motorcycle-motobike-clear/ (http://www.madhornets.com/windshield-windscreen-deflector-transparent-spoiler-shield-universal-motorcycle-motobike-clear/)
I wish Zero had a taller one.
This spoiler by MRA will deflect more than that generic spoiler, and is designed to fit Zero's windscreens (which are MRA). But you will still need to crouch to get your head out of the wind.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mra-x-creen-touring-clamp-on-variable-windscreen-spoiler-blade-windshield-extension (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mra-x-creen-touring-clamp-on-variable-windscreen-spoiler-blade-windshield-extension)
I feel like I must really emphasize that the Parabellum (BMW R-1200R model, re-adapted) is in a completely different class from these windscreens and is much more effective. I now ride 85+ miles per day commuting at 70-75 mph and my mileage and comfort are both good. I don't know how I'd deal with this commute using the OEM windscreen even with the spoiler listed above.
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Perhaps Brian, the one I posted had pretty damn good reviews. For the price I figured it's worth a shot. The model I linked is a clone of the highly rated BMW Wonderlich model at 1/2 the price. I don't travel highways often so I hope this is enough for my needs.
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Doug,
These screens don't mention which kit they ship with. Did you have to specify mounting hardware options when you ordered?
I'm thinking of getting one of these screens.
Also, do you get any buffeting with it? I think you mentioned in another post you "don't mind some buffeting at the head to be able to see above the screen". How high does this screen come to your eyesight in normal upright riding position?
Thanks!
The second one definitely looks like the one I've got. Handlebar mounting stalks with a double bend in them, and tabs instead of fork clips.
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These screens don't mention which kit they ship with. Did you have to specify mounting hardware options when you ordered?
Indeed the one from amazon doesn't come with the correct mounting kit. Or at least it didn't for me...and the customer service wasn't able to help.
I ended up buying the kit that looked right (still not the same as Doug, I suspect) separately. However. it lasted only ~3-4 months, then one of the supports broke (maybe stress from turbulence-induced vibration?).
Overall, I'm not happy with this windscreen, and I took it down. However, I should mention I'm not too keen on tinkering with this kind of stuff.
Also, do you get any buffeting with it? I think you mentioned in another post you "don't mind some buffeting at the head to be able to see above the screen". How high does this screen come to your eyesight in normal upright riding position?
Quite a lot of buffeting at highway speed in upright position in my case. And noise. I'm 5'10. However very nice protection and quiet when in a tuck.
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Bummer about the buffeting. That's how my cheap Chinese screen works too when in fairly upright and tallest mounting position - nice to tuck behind, but terrible when riding without tucking. When I lower and angle it back, there is almost no added buffeting, but I got no place to fully tuck anymore. Still, with a smaller screen like mine it is considerably better than without it - I took the screen off this last week and I did not like the wind in my chest. So even a smaller screen is good to have, as long as it is properly positioned to not add buffeting. Maybe I'll try the smaller version that Brian has - if the big version that Doug has is still not tall enough to cover you, at my height I might as well go with a smaller version...
These screens don't mention which kit they ship with. Did you have to specify mounting hardware options when you ordered?
Indeed the one from amazon doesn't come with the correct mounting kit. Or at least it didn't for me...and the customer service wasn't able to help.
I ended up buying the kit that looked right (still not the same as Doug, I suspect) separately. However. it lasted only ~3-4 months, then one of the supports broke (maybe stress from turbulence-induced vibration?).
Overall, I'm not happy with this windscreen, and I took it down. However, I should mention I'm not too keen on tinkering with this kind of stuff.
Also, do you get any buffeting with it? I think you mentioned in another post you "don't mind some buffeting at the head to be able to see above the screen". How high does this screen come to your eyesight in normal upright riding position?
Quite a lot of buffeting at highway speed in upright position in my case. And noise. I'm 5'10. However very nice protection and quiet when in a tuck.
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Installed today an RMA vario touring screen and I must say that is a hell of a difference!
Had to fiddle a bit to adjust it properly, but the wind pressure is now almost zero on the chest and the overall riding experience is much better! Very good investment. I'm an even more happy driver.
And it consumes less power on the highway 🤑
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These look great, but way too small to offer full coverage for me without ducking a lot. Could still be a great option - I had a similarly sized "sport" screen on my Vectrix that, despite being the smallest of my three windscreens and not offering full protection, was my favorite in the warm months of the year (the other two taller screens buffeted badly and could not be adjusted).
I'm still hoping another, taller option will work for me - will post next week after I get it installed. Ordered the tallest National Cycle VStream for a Kawasaki Concours, so I'll have to get a bit creative with mounting it on the naked Zero...
Installed today an MRA vario touring screen and I must say that is a hell of a difference!
Had to fiddle a bit to adjust it properly, but the wind pressure is now almost zero on the chest and the overall riding experience is much better! Very good investment. I'm an even more happy driver.
And it consumes less power on the highway 🤑
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Installed today an RMA vario touring screen and I must say that is a hell of a difference!
Had to fiddle a bit to adjust it properly, but the wind pressure is now almost zero on the chest and the overall riding experience is much better! Very good investment. I'm an even more happy driver.
And it consumes less power on the highway 🤑
That's great!
I'm guessing you mean one of these three: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?brand=MRA+Motorcycle+Windshields&product_type=Windshields+%28for+naked+bikes%29&q=variotouringscreen (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?brand=MRA+Motorcycle+Windshields&product_type=Windshields+%28for+naked+bikes%29&q=variotouringscreen)
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Yes, the VTNB version. Looks great on the bike, especially for an aftermarket screen.
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Yes, the VTNB version. Looks great on the bike, especially for an aftermarket screen.
Would you mind to take some well-focused pictures and write-up on zeromanual.com (http://zeromanual.com) Wiki?
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The VStream by National Cycle just came early in the mail. It is model N2102, for Kawasaki Concours. Just over 24" tall and 20" wide.
Photo shows it overplayed on top of the "cheap chinese" screen that I have, which is almost identical in size to the Zero Touring screen (a little bigger, maybe, at 19" tall).
The top pair of mounting holes on the VStream matches exactly with the mounting holes on my current screen, so I should be able to reuse the handlebar mount hardware.
Bottom part of the screen is compact, with a bulge in the middle (for arm protection) and pretty wide on top (for chest/shoulder) protection. Will mount tomorrow and if the weather is good will test it.
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Madstad makes awesome adjustable screens. I've contacted them about possible work around and am waiting to hear back.
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Installed the VStream screen this morning and took the bike out for a short test ride. Will need to play with adjusting it a bit and securing the bottom, but initial results are encouraging. Here are some photos.
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The installation was easy. One thing I needed to do was enlarge the hole to match my hardware. The screen comes with 3 holes on each side from the factory, which are about 14mm wide by about 12mm tall (so they are oval). My hardware is 15mm round. Enlarging the holes was easy. Taped with masking tape over the existing hole and I used a 90 degree countersink drill bit that I had from some other project and that happened to be 15.8mm wide or so, so perfect for the job. Drilled a little from the front, some from the back and repeated the process maybe 2-3 times (so that I did not drill fully from one side only as I've heard that might cause cracks). Slow speed on the drill, very little pressure, worked great.
The bungee cord did not do anything the way it is put, but I had not tested it yet when I took the photos. If I had attached the cord lower it would have kept the bottom more secure, as it is it is useless, pretty much. I think I can use the bottom hole and attach something to the bottom of the handlebar mounts and it will be secure enough. As it is, it is moving too much for two reasons: it is a tall screen and second, the one pair of screen attachments that I currently have are almost horizontal due to he curve in the screen, so they do not stabilize as well as they would do if they were vertically oriented.
The wide and tall screen comes just below my eyes as it is (I'm 6'4"). As installed, it offers pretty much full shoulder and chest protection and very good arm protection. The air is directed above my helmet, and the ride is quieter vs. my helmet being in the air. However, I get a bit of added noise. This is not buffeting, but smooth flow around the sides and top of my helmet, which creates a bit of a whistling noise at my helmet (the screen itself is quiet, and my helmet is not the most quiet one out there). With a little duck I get fully protected, but since the screen is so close I have to crouch rather than duck. With a seat that puts me farther back, such as the Corbin, I imagine it would be perfect, but for the stock seat I am a bit too close to the screen.
I need to play with a few different positions, to see if I can angle it more vertically, or lower it, or possibly add an adjustable extension to eliminate this last bit of annoying air around my helmet. Even as it is, it is definitely quieter than my previous screen, because now I can hear the motor/belt, where before it was the wind I was hearing. Will keep you posted how it goes as I put some miles behind it.
If you are 6' or less, this screen will protect you completely, but will cover your eyesight, unless you lower it vs. where I have it on these photos. The good news is that you can lower it I think as much as probably 6" and it would still look good (probably better), since the front kind of matches the edgy look of the headlight.
Installed the VStream screen this morning and took the bike out for a short test ride. Will need to play with adjusting it a bit and securing the bottom, but initial results are encouraging. Here are some photos.
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That thing is a monster!
Even at your height I would experiment with the screen further down just above the headlight and angled a little further back. It looks like that screen has a little bit of an upward curl at the top designed to throw the air over your head but it won't work as designed if the screen is mounted too vertical...maybe not...it's hard to tell from the photos.
In any case...since it's not designed for Zero it's definitely worth experimentation to see what works best.
You might also want to try to find some covers for the mounting holes you don't use.
Thanks for being the guinea pig and posting the results. I might have to give it a try if you see good highway range improvements.
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Yeah, that's huge for the Zero. You'll have similar problems as my Parabellum mount. I used a bungee cord to stabilize my original commuter screen once it had an MRA spoiler but it was never enough.
Longer mounting stalks might do you some good, but for the bracing, maybe figure out a lightweight bracket you can fabricate to attach to the headlamp. I suspect the windscreen needs air to come underneath it to work well and if that's the case try to keep a 2-4" gap between the lower front edge and the headlamp.
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The screen does have a bit of a bulge in the upper section, which probably works better with more angle back, but it is also fairly rounded to let air go around it as well. I move it a little lower and more forward overall but with a bit less lean angle (more vertical). I'm off for a test ride/lunch to see how it works now. I also adapted the bungee cord better, so now I have a more stable (still temporary) installation. If I find a position that works, it should not be too hard to secure the bottom somewhere. And yes, I do have some air gap between the screen and the headlight. I use a piece of minicell foam to both dampen vibrations and provide another "soft" attachment point low down, as well as provide clearance b/w the screen and the headlight. Will snap a photo and upload later. I suspect I will need to angle it back towards me to avoid buffeting, but the way I have it now gives me more forward clearance, which I like to be able to duck easily behind it (without crouching painfully).
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Any suggestions on where to get longer stalks for the mounts?
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Any suggestions on where to get longer stalks for the mounts?
Bring the ones you've got to any reputable machine shop they should be able to turn some out.
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Any suggestions on where to get longer stalks for the mounts?
Bring the ones you've got to any reputable machine shop they should be able to turn some out.
You can buy the same-sized rod and rubber ball-end from McMaster-Carr to fabricate pretty quickly to match the MRA.
What I did in February(?) was order the longest stalks (~10inches) that MRA sells for naked bikes:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mounting-kit-long-kit-for-mra-naked-bike-windscreens-for-suzuki-sv650 (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mounting-kit-long-kit-for-mra-naked-bike-windscreens-for-suzuki-sv650)
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Thanks! I might start with some rods from McMaster - at about a dollar per foot they look like a low-risk investment ;)
The MRA kit is probably better than mine, but I don't think it will match the holes on this particular screen and I am not yet desperate to drill more holes in it. Do you know what diameter hole the MRA requires on the windscreen?
Any suggestions on where to get longer stalks for the mounts?
Bring the ones you've got to any reputable machine shop they should be able to turn some out.
You can buy the same-sized rod and rubber ball-end from McMaster-Carr to fabricate pretty quickly to match the MRA.
What I did in February(?) was order the longest stalks (~10inches) that MRA sells for naked bikes:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mounting-kit-long-kit-for-mra-naked-bike-windscreens-for-suzuki-sv650 (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mounting-kit-long-kit-for-mra-naked-bike-windscreens-for-suzuki-sv650)
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Thanks! I might start with some rods from McMaster - at about a dollar per foot they look like a low-risk investment ;)
The MRA kit is probably better than mine, but I don't think it will match the holes on this particular screen and I am not yet desperate to drill more holes in it. Do you know what diameter hole the MRA requires on the windscreen?
I'm disappointed that I didn't write that down. I think it was ¼" for M6 bolts, but do measure. Do look up drilling holes in acrylic - it can definitely chip or even fracture. I had a tiny mistake on mine that was thankfully consequence free.
I'm not sure how to affix the ball to the rod, exactly, other than guessing the right glue.
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Do look up drilling holes in acrylic - it can definitely chip or even fracture. I had a tiny mistake on mine that was thankfully consequence free.
They make drill bits specifically for drilling crack-free through plastics, and I've used them -- they work like a charm. They're just like any other twist bit except the tip is a lot steeper...they're "pointier". Any decent plastic shop has them, and they're only a couple of bucks apiece, well worth the expense.
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Good to know. I suppose the pointy tip is why my 90 degree tipped bit worked well for enlarging the holes. I'm wondering if a forstner type bit would work well too (they are expensive, but if one already has them, might be an alternative if they do work).
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Do look up drilling holes in acrylic - it can definitely chip or even fracture. I had a tiny mistake on mine that was thankfully consequence free.
They make drill bits specifically for drilling crack-free through plastics, and I've used them -- they work like a charm. They're just like any other twist bit except the tip is a lot steeper...they're "pointier". Any decent plastic shop has them, and they're only a couple of bucks apiece, well worth the expense.
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Yes, I used plastic specific drill bits; I paid $50 for a set that included a lot of diameters so I could enlarge incrementally.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airflow-Adjustable-Clear-Windscreen-Gray-Bolt-On-Variable-Spoiler-Universal-/222228284823?hash=item33bdd68597:g:iv4AAOSwMtxXvXQh&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airflow-Adjustable-Clear-Windscreen-Gray-Bolt-On-Variable-Spoiler-Universal-/222228284823?hash=item33bdd68597:g:iv4AAOSwMtxXvXQh&vxp=mtr)
It might be worth it for the clamp hardware alone. I was thinking maybe I could try modifying the OEM commuter windscreen I don't use anymore to use with the clamp attached to the Chinese windscreen I have in place now.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airflow-Adjustable-Clear-Windscreen-Gray-Bolt-On-Variable-Spoiler-Universal-/222228284823?hash=item33bdd68597:g:iv4AAOSwMtxXvXQh&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airflow-Adjustable-Clear-Windscreen-Gray-Bolt-On-Variable-Spoiler-Universal-/222228284823?hash=item33bdd68597:g:iv4AAOSwMtxXvXQh&vxp=mtr)
It might be worth it for the clamp hardware alone. I was thinking maybe I could try modifying the OEM commuter windscreen I don't use anymore to use with the clamp attached to the Chinese windscreen I have in place now.
MRA has separate clamps available for about that price, just in case it helps. I like the design better, seems like it'd wear less: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/x-creen-tour-bolt-on-to-clamp-mount-conversion-kit (http://www.twistedthrottle.com/x-creen-tour-bolt-on-to-clamp-mount-conversion-kit)
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So, a few more thoughts on the VStream. I've settled for now mounting it as much forward as possible, while leaving enough space on top for me to duck behind it without crouching. The airstream hits my helmet sides and top, creating some funny vibrations, but it is not too noisy. A little duck and I'm completely under the air, which is awesome. Almost like the way it was with my Vectrix and a winter screen, though not quite as good due to the lack of fairing and leg protection.
I think such large screen offers advantage in terms of aerodynamics without ducking much. But at high speeds above 75mph, I think a smaller screen with a deep duck behind it might be more efficient.
It does look big, but not totally ridiculous... I'm seriously thinking of adapting some sort of fairing and moving the headlight further forward so I can gain some additional space to make it more angled back, which I think will smooth-out the flow over it further. But first I'll experiment with an extension to see if it will eliminate the annoying flutter when I'm not ducking.
The top of the screen is a bigger area than the bottom, so at speed it wants to pivot, so the bottom needs to be secured to minimize this. Such a big screen will always be a little floppy on top though.
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It looks like a nice position! And the lower edge surprisingly fits the contour of the headlamp; which looks tiny on the reference Concours photo: http://www.nationalcycle.com/n20102.html (http://www.nationalcycle.com/n20102.html)
I think that as long as you can secure it at the base, the double-compound curve there should keep the screen pretty stable.
How is the airflow? At highway speeds, with the windscreen doing the most work, there's often a good indicator of how it's tuned, if you feel air pressure on the back of your shoulders. This indicates that it's creating too much pressure difference and the resulting vortices are curving air back into you from behind. This is where I started figuring out how much gap to ensure under the lower edge.
The Zero does need a larger cockpit to support any number of things, like, oh, being able to see the instrument cluster while looking straight ahead... So, yes, some kind of fairing or at least a headlamp bracket that projects it forward will give it the space it deserves. Your screen is a couple of inches taller than the Parabellum I have (largest they offer for R1150R is 23" and mine is 21 or 22") so you're probably feeling the squeeze a little more than I am.
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The photo at Nat. Cycle is at an angle so it is hard to judge. Plus the Kawasaki has pretty wide fairing and dual headlights, so the screen looks narrower than it is on it.
I don't feel any back pressure. A lot of air gets under the screen and around the lower mid-section, I think. I feel a lot of gentle air movement at my chest, but not at my back. Probably can reduce the gap more...
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Cool! I guess it's working for you, then.
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Any update from Madstad?
Madstad makes awesome adjustable screens. I've contacted them about possible work around and am waiting to hear back.
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My MRA screen on the bike 8)
http://www.mlmparts.com/nl/mra-windscherm-vario-touring.html (http://www.mlmparts.com/nl/mra-windscherm-vario-touring.html)
Really great, removes the wind pressure from your chest, helmet is still a bit in the airstream. But size is ok in relation to the bike.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14638644/ZeroDS2014.jpg)
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National Cycle Street Shield EX on my Zero SR, fits ok and I cant find a taller shield for under $250... The gap is a bit excessive around the dash and lets lots of air under to blast me. I suppose I could stick a windshield bag there like on the Harley but that would probably look rather stupid. This shield keeps most of the wind off my chest and helmet, but I still get pounding buffeting on the sides of my helmet since the shield is kinda narrow at the top. I have it mounted high and out front so it almost comes to my nose if I slouch while riding. Its only 18" tall, so a 21" or taller would be better for me at my 6' height. I might get the star fish shaped shield that covers the handgrips and give up on looking cool... 8)
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Here is my VStream in its latest setup. Notice that my handlebars are now rised by about 1.5" or so with risers, which gives me more space forward and the shield is higher. At 6'4" I can hide behind it with a slight lean forward. I had it in a slightly higher position, where it hides me completely without ducking at all. There is a slight buffeting, mainly because the top is a bit floppy, I think - even if I duck entirely behind it I can feel it. With a solid bottom mount it will improve a bit more in terms of being more table and less floppy.
I like it though, since now I am pretty well protected from the wind, including my shoulders and head. There is some back-draft, not much though, and I think I prefer that vs. leaving too much space under the screen (which I tried and there is too much air movement at my chest then, so now it is better).
EDIT: I think if eventually I get to make/install a fairing on the SR, this type of windscreen will work well with that. What I don't like now, with a handlebar mount, is that wind-caused vibrations transfer to my handlebars. Without a screen, the ride is smoother at the handlebars. That is at high speeds though, above 50mph, where if I don't have a windscreen I have worse problems by being blasted, so this huge screen is still better on balance, especially in cold weather. I much prefer without it, in terms of being able to duck forward and get my chin near my handlebars for turns balancing on the side of the bike - the large screen kind of interferes with an aggressive forward lean/hang off the bike...
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I decided to replace my Zero Touring screen with the Slipstreamer S-05 Turbo (http://slipstreamer.com/motorcycle/turbo/). This is the same one Patrick discussed earlier in this thread here (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=4673.msg36252#msg36252).
My motivation is the same as Patrick's - to reduce my exposure to the wind in the winter, especially on my neck.
I have a 2015 Zero DS with Rox Risers. I decided to first try to mount it with no drilling or cutting of the screen. I was able to get a stable install - no rattling or movement of the screen. Tested the setup at speeds up to 90 mph. Seems very stable.
I ran zip ties through the holes at the bottom of the screen and around the handguard rail for lower stabilization.
However ... I'm disappointed with the wind noise. Seems to me that I get more noise than with the Zero Touring screen. I start to notice the noise at 30 mph. Also, not sure about the reduction in wind on the neck. I do feel some wind at the neck with the turbo screen. Not sure if it is reduced relative to the Zero screen. It might be. I don't feel any wind on my hands with this setup.
Anyway, pictures of the current setup are below.
You'll notice the rails for the Zero screen are still attached. They aren't making contact with the turbo screen. In the profile view you'll also notice the screen is angled too vertically. Ideally I think it should be almost at the angle of the front forks. But I couldn't achieve that with the mounting strategy I employed.
If I get motivated I might make the cuts that Patrick did for a snugger install with a better angle - drilling holes to make use of the zero screen rails for lower stability.
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Thanks for the images she looks good for winter driving!
Quick question - I already ordered the Zero Touring shield and my question is; when you re-adjusted the top deflector could you adjust the flow over your helmet or was it limited.
Thanks - Mike
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I think the increased turbulence even (and especially) with such large screens on the Zero is due to the fact there is not enough length in the bike to allow to mount them more angled. Turbulence reduces significantly or disappears completely when I angle my large screen back. But then it is too close so I can't hide behind it... needs another 10" forward ideally...
In my limited experience, the air stream has to be over the helmet for the screen to be quiet. Or lower, at the upper chest, no protection for the head and little for the shoulders, but less turbulence...
However ... I'm disappointed with the wind noise. Seems to me that I get more noise than with the Zero Touring screen. I start to notice the noise at 30 mph. Also, not sure about the reduction in wind on the neck. I do feel some wind at the neck with the turbo screen. Not sure if it is reduced relative to the Zero screen. It might be. I don't feel any wind on my hands with this setup.
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Honestly I hadn't played much with it. I think I had read somewhere in this thread that it was recommended to set it vertically and that is how I've always kept it.
Thanks for the images she looks good for winter driving!
Quick question - I already ordered the Zero Touring shield and my question is; when you re-adjusted the top deflector could you adjust the flow over your helmet or was it limited.
Thanks - Mike
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I suspect you are right about moving it forward. If I can figure out an easy way to do that I might experiment. Doubt I could get 10" more out but maybe about 3" using an accessory bar for mounting the turbo factory clamps and then use these extra long MRA rails (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mra-universal-windshield-long-mounting-kit-suzuki-sv650) for lower stability. Obviously would require I drill holes for those MRA rails. Probably would look weird though.
I think the increased turbulence even (and especially) with such large screens on the Zero is due to the fact there is not enough length in the bike to allow to mount them more angled. Turbulence reduces significantly or disappears completely when I angle my large screen back. But then it is too close so I can't hide behind it... needs another 10" forward ideally...
In my limited experience, the air stream has to be over the helmet for the screen to be quiet. Or lower, at the upper chest, no protection for the head and little for the shoulders, but less turbulence...
However ... I'm disappointed with the wind noise. Seems to me that I get more noise than with the Zero Touring screen. I start to notice the noise at 30 mph. Also, not sure about the reduction in wind on the neck. I do feel some wind at the neck with the turbo screen. Not sure if it is reduced relative to the Zero screen. It might be. I don't feel any wind on my hands with this setup.
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I suspect you are right about moving it forward. If I can figure out an easy way to do that I might experiment. Doubt I could get 10" more out but maybe about 3" using an accessory bar for mounting the turbo factory clamps and then use these extra long MRA rails (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mra-universal-windshield-long-mounting-kit-suzuki-sv650) for lower stability. Obviously would require I drill holes for those MRA rails. Probably would look weird though.
I think the increased turbulence even (and especially) with such large screens on the Zero is due to the fact there is not enough length in the bike to allow to mount them more angled. Turbulence reduces significantly or disappears completely when I angle my large screen back. But then it is too close so I can't hide behind it... needs another 10" forward ideally...
In my limited experience, the air stream has to be over the helmet for the screen to be quiet. Or lower, at the upper chest, no protection for the head and little for the shoulders, but less turbulence...
However ... I'm disappointed with the wind noise. Seems to me that I get more noise than with the Zero Touring screen. I start to notice the noise at 30 mph. Also, not sure about the reduction in wind on the neck. I do feel some wind at the neck with the turbo screen. Not sure if it is reduced relative to the Zero screen. It might be. I don't feel any wind on my hands with this setup.
Yes, I used the long SV-650 MRA strut mounts to get my Parabellum screen for the BMW R1150R to guide air over my head and down my back. I'm about to try bar risers to adjust that a bit further.
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I installed the long MRA rails (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mra-universal-windshield-long-mounting-kit-suzuki-sv650) which moved the screen 3" forward at the bottom getting a much better angle. I hardly feel any air at my neck. I do get it on the forehead and still have wind noise. Overall I'm fine with this setup. Definitely an improvement over the Zero touring screen. When springtime comes around I'll go back to the Zero screen as it looks better on the bike.
I was a little nervous about drilling the holes for the MRA rails install. I have old general purpose drill bits that aren't designed specifically for plastic. I just started with the smallest bit, then the next size up, etc until it was the right size (used about 6 bits this way). This method resulted in no cracking. It's a method I found recommended by someone on youtube.
With this new setup I do get much more headlight reflection. Tomorrow I'll ride in the dark to work and see if it is really distracting. One unintended side effect is that I do get turn signal reflection which I like so as to be reminded to turn them off.
Pics of the new install below.
I suspect you are right about moving it forward. If I can figure out an easy way to do that I might experiment. Doubt I could get 10" more out but maybe about 3" using an accessory bar for mounting the turbo factory clamps and then use these extra long MRA rails (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mra-universal-windshield-long-mounting-kit-suzuki-sv650) for lower stability. Obviously would require I drill holes for those MRA rails. Probably would look weird though.
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Hello eBike riders! I'm new here so go easy on me. :P
I just picked up a windscreen from a place in West Sacramento called Calsci Motorcycle Windscreens. They didn't have one made so we proto-typed 2 styles for the ZERO SR and DSR models that have the "highsider" headlight. (I believe the newer SR and DSR models are the same on the front end, except for the fork length...and front wheel size..and fender location....please correct me if needed..)
I ride the 2016 DSR ZF13.0 every day as a commuter with a 37 mile one way trip to work. I am 6' tall and added a 2" handle bar riser and a very tall Corbin seat. My seat is about 2" taller than stock. The windscreen we made for my bike setup the way it is may not work for you as it is very tall, but, we also made a screen for the bike in its stock form..with out bar risers and taller seat. The guys at Calsci don't have the screen listed on their website yet, but I'm pretty sure if you contact them, they can get a screen put together for you. Calsci doesn't typically provide the mounts for the screen. I just used the same mounts from the commuter screen + the RAM mount.
I tried the factory "commuter screen" and it did not completely work the way I wanted. With 2 mounting points, I was having a lot of trouble with the commuter screen moving around while riding. I solved the moving issue by adding a RAM mount from the top of the head light to the center front of the screen to hold it on place. The RAM mount works pretty good, so I incorporated it into to the mounting for the Calsci screen (Seen in the photo).
I thought I would try and post this info because I have been trying to find a screen that will work for my situation. I think I found the perfect commuter screen, just wanted to pass it on to you guys!
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What effect is the keyhole in the CalSci windscreen for, possibly aerodynamics or cooling?
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It is a NACA duct because there is too much drag created if you do not try to redirect the air as opposed to forcing it all to the outer edges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct
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The cut out allows a little bit of air to pass through the screen, reducing the front pressure and turbulence that would be forced over and around the edges causing turbulence . It helps to create a negative pressure zone behind the screen where you sit. It pretty much eliminates the buffing effect. I haven't used it in the rain yet. My friend has one with the keyhole and says that rain doesn't come through as much as you would think....I'll find out this week when it rains ... :)
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Great information. I can't tell from the photo how that RAM mount is attached to the bike.
How does it do at highway speeds?
Hello eBike riders! I'm new here so go easy on me. :P
I just picked up a windscreen from a place in West Sacramento called Calsci Motorcycle Windscreens. They didn't have one made so we proto-typed 2 styles for the ZERO SR and DSR models that have the "highsider" headlight. (I believe the newer SR and DSR models are the same on the front end, except for the fork length...and front wheel size..and fender location....please correct me if needed..)
I ride the 2016 DSR ZF13.0 every day as a commuter with a 37 mile one way trip to work. I am 6' tall and added a 2" handle bar riser and a very tall Corbin seat. My seat is about 2" taller than stock. The windscreen we made for my bike setup the way it is may not work for you as it is very tall, but, we also made a screen for the bike in its stock form..with out bar risers and taller seat. The guys at Calsci don't have the screen listed on their website yet, but I'm pretty sure if you contact them, they can get a screen put together for you. Calsci doesn't typically provide the mounts for the screen. I just used the same mounts from the commuter screen + the RAM mount.
I tried the factory "commuter screen" and it did not completely work the way I wanted. With 2 mounting points, I was having a lot of trouble with the commuter screen moving around while riding. I solved the moving issue by adding a RAM mount from the top of the head light to the center front of the screen to hold it on place. The RAM mount works pretty good, so I incorporated it into to the mounting for the Calsci screen (Seen in the photo).
I thought I would try and post this info because I have been trying to find a screen that will work for my situation. I think I found the perfect commuter screen, just wanted to pass it on to you guys!
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evdjerome, Here's a picture of the way it's is mounted....I'm using the 2 stock arms that were supplied with the "Commuter" screen from ZERO. The RAM Ball mounts are attached with a standard M6x1.0 allen screw. I did have to drill one 1/4" hole through the headlight bucket and one through the windscreen. You should be careful with where the hole goes through the headlight as there are wires underneath that could be damaged...be careful! Also, it helps to mock up the hole locations and mark them with tape to be sure where the holes are going to be when it's all done.....
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Hello eBike riders! I'm new here so go easy on me. :P
Welcome!
I just picked up a windscreen from a place in West Sacramento called Calsci Motorcycle Windscreens. They didn't have one made so we proto-typed 2 styles for the ZERO SR and DSR models that have the "highsider" headlight. (I believe the newer SR and DSR models are the same on the front end, except for the fork length...and front wheel size..and fender location....please correct me if needed..)
That's awesome! I'm in Oakland which is juuust far enough away from Sacramento that I didn't go visit for a fitment. I have a Parabellum that I spent a lot of time customizing, and it is really good news that CalSci put enough time into one of their well-designed patterns for a Zero.
The headlamp is an LSL Urban Headlight, normally seen on the Yamaha MT-03.
The one way that a DSR differs for windshield mounts is the handlebar height and width. I'm not sure how to summarize it right except that I wound up using the longest MRA mounting struts to get the right angle for the Parabellum.
I ride the 2016 DSR ZF13.0 every day as a commuter with a 37 mile one way trip to work. I am 6' tall and added a 2" handle bar riser and a very tall Corbin seat. My seat is about 2" taller than stock. The windscreen we made for my bike setup the way it is may not work for you as it is very tall, but, we also made a screen for the bike in its stock form..with out bar risers and taller seat. The guys at Calsci don't have the screen listed on their website yet, but I'm pretty sure if you contact them, they can get a screen put together for you. Calsci doesn't typically provide the mounts for the screen. I just used the same mounts from the commuter screen + the RAM mount.
Nice. What bar risers did you choose? How well did the cables handle the bar change?
I tried the factory "commuter screen" and it did not completely work the way I wanted. With 2 mounting points, I was having a lot of trouble with the commuter screen moving around while riding. I solved the moving issue by adding a RAM mount from the top of the head light to the center front of the screen to hold it on place.
It's common that the Commuter screen is not quite enough for riders over 5'9" (my height). Your RAM mount solution is clever - we should document it on the wiki.
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BrianTRice,
I am using the ROX 2" bar riser. It really doesn't fit the handle bar too well. It's for 28mm/1 1/8" bars....which are not the same .... 28mm is .0226" smaller in diameter than 1.125". Im not sure why they think it's interchangeable...?..
I have the stock MRA "ball bars" extended all the way out so the end of the shaft is flush with it's clamp on the front two handle bar clamps. With the Calsci screen, this gives a good angle for everything to go over the top of the helmet.
All the stock cables just barely reach with the 2" riser. I took off the "dashboard" and carefully pulled the needed length from each of the cables. I didn't cut the zip ties...I just pulled what I needed. There is no binding when I turn the bars from lock to lock. Seems to be fine. I might eventually go back in there and reroute at some point.
I was really bummed about how crumby the stock mount was for the commuter screen. At one point I had a bungee wrapped around bottom of it to keep it from going horizontal. Then I was dealing with the thing vibrating and bouncing off the headlight every time I rode over a bump in the road. Super annoying. And the wind and water blasting into my eyeballs was the end of the commuter screen. Thanks for the comment on the ram mount, it was the only thing I could think of besides maybe a 3D printed bracket.
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I did a test run at "max speed" last night with the calsci screen. I actually didn't realize I was almost topped out. I was surprised at how calm it was behind this screen. There is very light wind noise.
There are 2 holes that need to be drilled for the ram mount. I used the 3" composite ram mount clamp. 1" ram mount balls with m6 female threads.
Great information. I can't tell from the photo how that RAM mount is attached to the bike.
How does it do at highway speeds?
Hello eBike riders! I'm new here so go easy on me. :P
I just picked up a windscreen from a place in West Sacramento called Calsci Motorcycle Windscreens. They didn't have one made so we proto-typed 2 styles for the ZERO SR and DSR models that have the "highsider" headlight. (I believe the newer SR and DSR models are the same on the front end, except for the fork length...and front wheel size..and fender location....please correct me if needed..)
I ride the 2016 DSR ZF13.0 every day as a commuter with a 37 mile one way trip to work. I am 6' tall and added a 2" handle bar riser and a very tall Corbin seat. My seat is about 2" taller than stock. The windscreen we made for my bike setup the way it is may not work for you as it is very tall, but, we also made a screen for the bike in its stock form..with out bar risers and taller seat. The guys at Calsci don't have the screen listed on their website yet, but I'm pretty sure if you contact them, they can get a screen put together for you. Calsci doesn't typically provide the mounts for the screen. I just used the same mounts from the commuter screen + the RAM mount.
I tried the factory "commuter screen" and it did not completely work the way I wanted. With 2 mounting points, I was having a lot of trouble with the commuter screen moving around while riding. I solved the moving issue by adding a RAM mount from the top of the head light to the center front of the screen to hold it on place. The RAM mount works pretty good, so I incorporated it into to the mounting for the Calsci screen (Seen in the photo).
I thought I would try and post this info because I have been trying to find a screen that will work for my situation. I think I found the perfect commuter screen, just wanted to pass it on to you guys!
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I am using the ROX 2" bar riser. It really doesn't fit the handle bar too well. It's for 28mm/1 1/8" bars....which are not the same .... 28mm is .0226" smaller in diameter than 1.125". Im not sure why they think it's interchangeable...?..
All the stock cables just barely reach with the 2" riser. I took off the "dashboard" and carefully pulled the needed length from each of the cables. I didn't cut the zip ties...I just pulled what I needed. There is no binding when I turn the bars from lock to lock. Seems to be fine. I might eventually go back in there and reroute at some point.
Okay, I'll go for a 1" riser like I've used on the V-Strom.
I have the stock MRA "ball bars" extended all the way out so the end of the shaft is flush with it's clamp on the front two handle bar clamps. With the Calsci screen, this gives a good angle for everything to go over the top of the helmet.
For your height, that sounds like a good result. Is the air smoothly flowing over your helmet and down your back, or does it detach?
I was really bummed about how crumby the stock mount was for the commuter screen. At one point I had a bungee wrapped around bottom of it to keep it from going horizontal. Then I was dealing with the thing vibrating and bouncing off the headlight every time I rode over a bump in the road. Super annoying. And the wind and water blasting into my eyeballs was the end of the commuter screen. Thanks for the comment on the ram mount, it was the only thing I could think of besides maybe a 3D printed bracket.
This is just what I went through a year ago, having added an MRA spoiler to the commuter screen and trying to cross Bay Area bridges every other day. The spoiler does soften up the air around the lip so it flows much better, but it's not ideal and adds too much dynamic load on the mount. I used a bungee and tried a few other things before I gave up and scoured Craigslist for a windscreen to try, where I luckily found the Parabellum.
That's where this thread started: http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5525 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5525)
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Thanks. Very nice install.
How tall is the shield?
Would love to see a full side view of the entire bike to see the angle you have it at and how big it looks on the bike from the side.
evdjerome, Here's a picture of the way it's is mounted....I'm using the 2 stock arms that were supplied with the "Commuter" screen from ZERO. The RAM Ball mounts are attached with a standard M6x1.0 allen screw. I did have to drill one 1/4" hole through the headlight bucket and one through the windscreen. You should be careful with where the hole goes through the headlight as there are wires underneath that could be damaged...be careful! Also, it helps to mock up the hole locations and mark them with tape to be sure where the holes are going to be when it's all done.....
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With this cool weather here, I'm loving my Zero Touring shield - I did notice she is a little different than others I've seen.
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/w1.jpg)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/w2.jpg)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/w3.jpg)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/w4.jpg)
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Here's a picture of the full side view. The total height of the screen is 24". The bottom of the screen just about touches the intersection of the headlight and the speedometer housing.
Thanks. Very nice install.
How tall is the shield?
Would love to see a full side view of the entire bike to see the angle you have it at and how big it looks on the bike from the side.
evdjerome, Here's a picture of the way it's is mounted....I'm using the 2 stock arms that were supplied with the "Commuter" screen from ZERO. The RAM Ball mounts are attached with a standard M6x1.0 allen screw. I did have to drill one 1/4" hole through the headlight bucket and one through the windscreen. You should be careful with where the hole goes through the headlight as there are wires underneath that could be damaged...be careful! Also, it helps to mock up the hole locations and mark them with tape to be sure where the holes are going to be when it's all done.....
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Your seat looks great - flatter and farther back than stock (or the regular Corbin replacement). Was that a custom order? Care to share more details about it? For tall folks like us, that seems like a great mod. My screen from vStream is about the same height as yours and anything lower is just not offering protection for the head. I'll probably buy the MRA long mounts and replace the ones I have to get the fit just right on my screen.
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Kocho, the seat is made by Corbin. They have a "ride in" program here in California where they basically build the seat while you wait. The stock seat they sell was not going to work for me; it is pretty much the same as the Zero seat but nicer looking. I tried the "off the shelf" Corbin seat and slid right into the tank the first time I hit the brakes. It was angled forward. I had them add an extra almost 3" of foam and bring the "butt pocket" forward about 2". The butt pocket could still come forward another 1"+ from where it is. Long story....yes it is custom (took them close to 9 hours to get it made from scratch while I waited)
As far as the screen and the mounting arms...I used the ones that came with zero commuter screen. They are 6" long on the metal shaft portion. The windshield location will change depending on if you are using bar risers and the by riser height.
Your seat looks great - flatter and farther back than stock (or the regular Corbin replacement). Was that a custom order? Care to share more details about it? For tall folks like us, that seems like a great mod. My screen from vStream is about the same height as yours and anything lower is just not offering protection for the head. I'll probably buy the MRA long mounts and replace the ones I have to get the fit just right on my screen.
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With this cool weather here, I'm loving my Zero Touring shield - I did notice she is a little different than others I've seen.
Yours is missing the edge trim:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#OEM_Touring_Screen (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#OEM_Touring_Screen)
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Thanks for the pic. The tank bag helps to make the tall windshield not seem too out of proportion with the bike.
24" seems about perfect for me. My slipstream is 19" and the wind hits my forehead. I went ahead and ordered the MRA X-screen (https://www.amazon.com/MRA-4025066125036-X-Creen-Variable-Windscreen/dp/B00CG43ENI) to get another 6". I'll install it this weekend.
If I were to start over I'd probably get something like your screen and use the long MRA rails to adjust the angle to my taste, probably a little more angled than you have yours.
Love the corbin seat.
Here's a picture of the full side view. The total height of the screen is 24". The bottom of the screen just about touches the intersection of the headlight and the speedometer housing.
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With this cool weather here, I'm loving my Zero Touring shield - I did notice she is a little different than others I've seen.
Yours is missing the edge trim:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#OEM_Touring_Screen (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#OEM_Touring_Screen)
I didn't really like the way the firm looks why do they include it?
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With this cool weather here, I'm loving my Zero Touring shield - I did notice she is a little different than others I've seen.
Yours is missing the edge trim:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#OEM_Touring_Screen (http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Common_Modifications#OEM_Touring_Screen)
I didn't really like the way the firm looks why do they include it?
If you are referring to the windshield edge trim, I believe it is either a product liability issue, or perhaps an EU regulation. The last windshield I bought from the UK came with rubber edging that I was supposed to install myself. Unfortunately, it fell off. ::)
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Thanks for the reply - I've got 5 other windshields ranging from Honda's to Can Am's and none have that edging on the shields - Even though I would not put it on - they didn't give me enough to do the entire windshield anyhow. I will install a small piece by the headlight to prevent it from touching the shield.
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This is all they gave me, hardly enough for the bottom!
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This is all they gave me, hardly enough for the bottom!
I received a similar amount of tubing when I bought my last windshield from a UK company. I gather that it is supposed to be installed at the top edge of the windshield to keep the windshield from cutting you when you go flying over it during a head-on crash. But I did the same thing you did and installed it at the bottom of the windshield to keep it from marring the headlight finish. :)
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Puig universal windscreen
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This looks very nice. How does it ride (and how tall are you)? Does it mount to the handlebar or to the handlebar clamp bolts (asking because with my screens that do not use the handlebar clamp bolt, they rotate out of position at highway speeds and need to be secured at the bottom, near the headlight to prevent that)?
Thanks!
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I am 6' tall. The windshield to me seems the perfect size. I had a shorter universal shield before this that didn't get the air flow up over my helmet so it was quite noisy. This one is much quiter. Wide enough that it keeps the air off my chest. I like that it is not too big, again seems just the right size. Attaches to handlebar with 2 supports. Has plastic covers that cover the handlebar clamps to give it a nice finished look. I highly recommend it.
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Puig universal windscreen
SRich,
As suggested by @Kocho, does it move or need adjustment after highway speeds?
Did it require any modification to fit properly?
How about a pic from the riders point of view!
Thanks!
Dan
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I thought I'd share my experiences with the 2 windshields I' have: the 19" off brand $45 one and the 4x the cost 24"+ VStream
The VStream I managed to position to my liking and it offers excellent protection and pretty much no buffeting for me at 6'4". It is installed on handlebars bars with 2" risers, so it is like a 26-27" tall screen on stock risers :) . I can ride fully upright and not worry about wind. It needs the bottom secured, or it will rotate from wind pressure. With bottom secured it is good.
This week I removed the VStream (selling the bike) and without it the SR feels better (just like my Vectrix felt better with a smaller sport screen vs. the huge winter screen). Large screens just reduce the agility of the bike.
I think the VStream helps with mileage. Ride at 40-45mph without a screen and without ducking, and I think my mileage drops to the same as I'd get at 55mph with the VStream. Roughly.
I reinstalled the smaller cheap screen yesterday. This time I used different mounting points in the middle of the handlebars where the bars are thicker. Still wide part up. It now looks a lot like the Zero touring (larger) screen. I think this mounting is better and more stable. No buffeting on my helmet, air stream hits me in the face. Fine for city riding, but for faster than 45mph ducking behind is needed. For shorter folks it might work better.
I also "flattened" the fairly rounded shape of he wider portion of he cheap screen. Heated it up with a heat gun and pressed down to flatten and widen the wide part. Not fully flat, but it gained an inch or two of width and is less rounded. I think this works pretty well and is closer in shape in the wider/to section now to the MRI screen from Zero. For summer riding I prefer a smaller screen, so this works well.
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Puig Universal
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Puig universal windscreen
SRich,
As suggested by @Kocho, does it move or need adjustment after highway speeds?
Did it require any modification to fit properly?
How about a pic from the riders point of view!
Thanks!
Dan
No modifications or adjustments needed.
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ATV windshield works like a champ 8)
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Added the MRA Xscreen
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Attached with MRA windshield mounts. I like the fact that this shield has the handlebar guards, which direct air over my arms and shoulders making me more aerodynamic with less drag. Currently I get enough wind on my gloves to keep my hands from getting too hot. I can lower the shield if needed to block the wind from my hands, since Ive got the Xcreen now to direct wind overhead, thereby reducing buffeting. Its a nice quiet ride behind this shield, with no appreciable reduction in battery life. I think the shield profile matches my helmet/body in terms of direct, frontward air drag, so technically a smooth shield should produce less drag than my bumpy jacket etc.
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Attached with MRA windshield mounts. I like the fact that this shield has the handlebar guards, which direct air over my arms and shoulders making me more aerodynamic with less drag. Currently I get enough wind on my gloves to keep my hands from getting too hot. I can lower the shield if needed to block the wind from my hands, since Ive got the Xcreen now to direct wind overhead, thereby reducing buffeting. Its a nice quiet ride behind this shield, with no appreciable reduction in battery life. I think the shield profile matches my helmet/body in terms of direct, frontward air drag, so technically a smooth shield should produce less drag than my bumpy jacket etc.
Nice. Which ATV shield did you get (I see a number of kinds for sale)?
Did you do any drilling into the windscreen for the mounts?
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Attached with MRA windshield mounts. I like the fact that this shield has the handlebar guards, which direct air over my arms and shoulders making me more aerodynamic with less drag. Currently I get enough wind on my gloves to keep my hands from getting too hot. I can lower the shield if needed to block the wind from my hands, since Ive got the Xcreen now to direct wind overhead, thereby reducing buffeting. Its a nice quiet ride behind this shield, with no appreciable reduction in battery life. I think the shield profile matches my helmet/body in terms of direct, frontward air drag, so technically a smooth shield should produce less drag than my bumpy jacket etc.
Nice. Which ATV shield did you get (I see a number of kinds for sale)?
Did you do any drilling into the windscreen for the mounts?
https://www.amazon.com/TMS-WINDSHIELD-OVERSIZE-2TONE-Windshield-Kawasaki-Davidson/dp/B00876QE5E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1493042588&sr=8-2&keywords=atv+windshield (https://www.amazon.com/TMS-WINDSHIELD-OVERSIZE-2TONE-Windshield-Kawasaki-Davidson/dp/B00876QE5E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1493042588&sr=8-2&keywords=atv+windshield)
https://www.amazon.com/MRA-Mounting-windscreens-universal-diameter/dp/B005EY2FKU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1493042917&sr=1-2-fkmr0&keywords=MRA+windshield+mount+hardware (https://www.amazon.com/MRA-Mounting-windscreens-universal-diameter/dp/B005EY2FKU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1493042917&sr=1-2-fkmr0&keywords=MRA+windshield+mount+hardware)
I did drill 4 extra holes for a total of 8, to mount the MRA shield attachments. It is acrylic and therefore cracks easily, and I found this out the hard way. Luckily it $45 so its relatively cheap to replace. I had to pick up some longer than stock screws/nuts than what came with the MRA stuff since the shield slope prevented an exact flush mount.
I'm undecided if the large shield is better for hot weather riding than direct wind flow, but it sure is better in 40 and below temps...
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Puig universal windscreen
What is the model of your windscreen? I'm seeing several "Puig universal windscreen" options on Amazon. Do you find that the windscreen is rigid enough for higher speeds? Have you noticed any detrimental effects on range with the windscreen?
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Hi SRich...........I'm also interested in knowing how you're Puig Universal Touring II windshield is holding up. I had the MRA V-Flow C with Sport Screen on my FXS until a car slide on some ice and totaled the bike. I really liked that setup.
I now have a new 2017 DSR Special Edition that came from the factory with small windshield (not even sure which one it is), but I hate it because it directs the air right at my face and there is no way to adjust it to keep it from doing that. I'm sure the V-Flow would work just as well on my DSR, but it's kind of pricey so I thought I would check to see how you like your Puig windshield now that you've had it for a while.
PS - the windscreen that came with my DSR is the Zero Dual Sport screen.
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I can't recommend the Givi A660 universal screen highly enough! I've had it for about three weeks, during which time I have ridden about 1300 miles on my '16 DS13.0. I posted a little comment about it on ZMOG, but I thought I'd give you all a more thorough review.
The price was right (<$100), the looks aren't bad, installation took 20 minutes, and adjusting to a position that suited me took only 3-4 rides. The wind protection is not as complete as some of you may like...I'm 6' and the wind starts to hit about an inch below the top of my shoulders. The wind noise at my helmet is about the same as without a screen, and the wind pressure pn my helmet is slightly reduced.
The very best thing about this screen is the effect that it's had on my range. Most of the miles I've ridden are on my commute, which has temporarily become a 50-55mi one-way ride down the freeway with very little traffic, which has given me the opportunity to experiment with speeds that I ride. Here are a few of the numbers, all calculated by dividing miles ridden by %battery used as displayed on the dash (I know...not the most accurate, but VERY repeatable over the 32,000miles I've ridden this bike in the last 2+ years):
60-65mph...achieving 85-90+miles of range sitting up (previous to the screen I was lucky to achieve 85miles at 55mph)
50-55mph...achieving 100+miles
70mph...typically achieving 78miles (worst was 67mph into a stiff wind, best was 85mi...probably some tailwind)...without a screen I typically get 65-68miles sitting up, 70-73miles in a semi-serious tuck and have gotten as low as 50ish sitting up in a stiff headwind.
Roughly, it looks like I'm consistently getting a 15-20% improvement in range with this windscreen...wow! I bought it with the hope of finding a 10% improvement in range, so I can certainly say I'm satisfied with this one :)
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A range improvement like that is always good. I’ll list this review in the wiki next to others for reference.
Windscreen choice and effects vary with rider. Did you have to tune it at all?
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I set it up for looks and to leave just a little gap between it's bottom edge and the headlight for some airflow underneath, and then I adjusted it twice to make it more comfortable to tuck behind when the wind is really gusty. I wouldn't say it's optimized by any means. The range improvement was so great and the looks weren't too bad, so I won't bother tinkering with it too much.
Now I'm thinking about how to smooth out the airflow over the frame-mounted diginows without adding a full fairing. It can't be good for your range to have those square-edged blocks sticking out in the wind. I'm thinking maybe something like a moto-style skid plate...
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I set it up for looks and to leave just a little gap between it's bottom edge and the headlight for some airflow underneath, and then I adjusted it twice to make it more comfortable to tuck behind when the wind is really gusty. I wouldn't say it's optimized by any means. The range improvement was so great and the looks weren't too bad, so I won't bother tinkering with it too much.
Now I'm thinking about how to smooth out the airflow over the frame-mounted diginows without adding a full fairing. It can't be good for your range to have those square-edged blocks sticking out in the wind. I'm thinking maybe something like a moto-style skid plate...
Good idea, but that deserves a new thread.