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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: GNU on January 31, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
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Hi,
Does anyone know what type of connector the 12V connector behind the triple tree is?
I see that it's the same connector on the 2013 and 2014 but I have no idea what standard they used. It's not the common SAE connectors I've seen used on heated gear and trickle chargers.
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I was unable to get the type of connector information from Zero except that is is an automotive type power connector made by Delphi. I would also like to know the part number or be able to acquire single connectors and terminals because I purchased their expander harness which plugs into the 12 volt connector near the triple clamp and allows multiple outlets for heated grips and an accessory outlet. I will likely just cut and splice into their wires since I will not be using it for heated grips but instead use it provide power for GPS, radar detector and a USB port for keeping the iTouch charged for the Zero App. The battery life when using the bluetooth connection and Zero App is not very long and needs external power to last a long ride.
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When I was installing Zero's Powertrain harness in my trike electric conversion project I had to cut off some of those automotive connectors and replace them with Molex connectors (from a local electronics store) because I couldn't find mating connectors. If I had wanted to take the time and trouble to search the web I might have been able to find a supplier for the automotive connectors, but I din't try that.
When Zero sells any type of harness they should be supplying the required mating connectors as well.
Trikester
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Anyone have a detailed picture I can do an in depth search. I'm also curious as the USB will be powered from this harness.
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Good luck searching. I did and extensive search and could not find anything that would match. The number on the connector housings did not relate to any part number. I will do the same as Trikester and use a common Molex connector spliced into the harness and then terminate each 12 volt wire pair into a couple of 12 volt outlets like BMW bikes use, plus a cigarette lighter outlet so a mobile 12 volt to USB charger can be used for charging USB devices.
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I called Zero and they told me that it's a "Sumitomo" connector. Turns out there's a whole range of Sumitomo connectors out there so I'll take a picture and try to find a match.
Zero apparently sells a pigtail connector for it somewhere.
The good news (for the 2014 owners) is that there's a somewhat hidden SAE connector installed in parallel. That should be much easier to find a mate for.
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Could it be this guy?
http://www.cycleterminal.com/hw-series-090.html (http://www.cycleterminal.com/hw-series-090.html)
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I've installed a couple of "cigarette lighter" type 12V auxiliary power sockets. I found a good source and selection of weather proof versions at West Marine (many stores around the US and on the web). They are much less expensive than what Zero sells. The ones I used cost about $13 ea.
Trikester
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Here's a picture of the Sumitomo connector on my 2014 SR
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Well looks like i have my work to do. I'm going to wait until my SR comes in and inspect the connector for markings. I'm confident that I can find it just might take awhile. I just hate cutting off a good connector.
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dc5dd,
There's a regular SAE connector hidden just above the odd looking one.
I called Zero and they told me that they are connected in parallel and I could just ignore the fancy plug.
Said and done. My 12V outlet and my phone charger is right now connected to the SAE connector (via a 3-way splitter)
I also hooked up a pair of Oxford heated grips but the fuse in them burns as soon as I turn on the ignition (I'm investigating this together with Oxford right now. Will post conclusions on that in a separate thread soon)
BTW, according to Zero (all this would have been great info in a manual ::)) the accessory outlet(s) can handle a total of 10Amps of load. So don't go crazy with heated gear (seat+grips+vest is too much for it).
I'm assuming it's a switched power outlet. I haven't checked how clean the output is (yet).
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@GNU for the grips drawing too much current or shorted somewhere? Maybe at the split or in the grips. I think Zero states in the manual that the fuse is a 10 Amp for "accessory port" in section 5.22.
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dc5dd,
the fuse is a 10 Amp for "accessory port" in section 5.22.
Cool, then they just need to add info about what connectors are connected to it ;)
if it was shorted at the splitter the grip fuse connected after the splitter wouldn't burn. Also, I've got a cell phone charger connected to the splitter that works great.
I suspect one of two reasons:
1. The grip controller is faulty
2. The Zero 12V outlet delivery a dirty switched output that is incompatible with the pulse modulated temperature controller.
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I suspect one of two reasons:
1. The grip controller is faulty
2. The Zero 12V outlet delivery a dirty switched output that is incompatible with the pulse modulated temperature controller.
Interesting I didn't know the grips was so involved :-\
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GNU, The output is clean, so clean that my oxford grips kept switching off because they didnt detect any noise to suggest the bike was running. It's DC-DC so there is no reason why it wouldnt be very close to perfect DC.
Oxford have some pretty terrible QC, on their older model grips I went through 3 controllers because the first 2 didnt work and on the third the plastic delaminated over the buttons so it was unusable. In the end I gave up and just had cold hands. The newer model im using on my Zero has been OK so far but they have moved to proper independent buttons which should be better.
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Noiseboy,
I'm afraid we're talking about different products. The 2014 SR is not directly compatible with the Oxford grips. I suspect that you have another model.
I tried to hook the grips up to a 12V battery and it worked flawlessly.
I suspect the unclean signal on the DC port is what's causing issue. My (limited) understanding is that it's not uncommon in DC-DC conversion to output a rough signal. I will hook up an oscilloscope to see what it really looks like.
It shouldn't be a big deal to filter out with a diode and a capacitor of the right size.
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with a diode and a capacitor of the right size.
You should use [L C R ] to filter the high frequency noise the DC/DC will do. If you see the frequency with the oscilloscope it should be easy to find a fitting filter.
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I could have sworn I saw Oxford but read back and it definitely isn't there. I think I need a nap. ???
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I have a very embarrassing confession to make.
As I was making my calculations for a low pass filter I realized that there's one more thing that could cause the fuse to blow... Long story short, the splitter I used (and spliced) uses a red wire for negative(!) and a black wire for positive(!) and I, in my ignorance, assumed that it was the opposite and never bothered to check it.
After reversing the connection, it all works just fine. The Oxford grips are toasty fits really well together with the Zero hand guards. (No cutting needed if you use them together)
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Trikester,
Thanks for pointing me to West Marine. Their water proof 12V outlet fits perfectly and works like a charm!
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Can someone take a picture of the SAE connector mentioned above on the 2014 S? Has anyone found a good usb charger that mates easily with it?
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[quoteTrikester,
Thanks for pointing me to West Marine. Their water proof 12V outlet fits perfectly and works like a charm!][/quote]
You're welcome!
It's funny, I was actually headed toward an auto parts store when it suddenly occurred to me that the place that would have them would be West Marine. I turned around and went there (I live in a boating town). I even had a selection to choose from. Anybody that doesn't have the store nearby can order any of their items over the web.
Trikester
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Ammonsh,
It's the same one that can be bought for $5 at the local car parts store.
Amazon is selling an SAE plug to double USB connector that fits in the 12V outlet space. Don't recall how many AMPs it can deliver. It's less than $20.
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I have a Zero S 2013 and wanted to install a USB Socket in order to charge my Smartphone while driving; As I don't like it to cut off suitable connectors on a new motorcycle I've searched for the connector. I found that the suitable male plug is a Sumitomo TS Sealed Series 2,3 II (090II) 2pin male
It can be ordered directly from Japan here, but shipping is terrible expenive:
http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Products/Connectors/Sealed/SMTS/smts.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Products/Connectors/Sealed/SMTS/smts.html)
So I found out that Buell uses this plug for a cigarette lighter socket on their bikes:
Buell Part number Y0198.1AK
So I ordered it directly from Harley Davidson and cut off the lighter socket to connect it directly to my USB adaptor.
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They use expensive sealed connectors but many are left unplugged with pins exposed all over the place.
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Nice find Morimaxx. Thanks for posting the PN
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So I found out that Buell uses this plug for a cigarette lighter socket on their bikes:
Buell Part number Y0198.1AK
So I ordered it directly from Harley Davidson and cut off the lighter socket to connect it directly to my USB adaptor.
morimaxx, can you take a closer picture of the lighter socket with and without the cap on. Also what is the diameter of the threaded end I'm wondering if it will fit in the socket that zero use for the lighter socket?
Thanks
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I guess it's the same. The cap of the lighter socket looks like the one on Zero Homepage. The outer diameter of the threaded is 26,5 mm, could it be a 1 inch thread ?
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Additional picture with open cap.
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Before I wised up on West Marine for a weather proof socket on my trike, I bought the one that Zero sells for my FX. It looks exactly like the one in these photos.
Trikester
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Wow morimaxx thanks for the very detailed images. I'm with you and trikester it looks like the same thing except I can't find the plug behind the triple clamp? I was thinking that with the 12V socket and a plugin 2.1amp usb I would have all that I need in the way of accessory charging connections. One thing though can you plug a shorty usb into the socket and still close the cap? Thanks guys this solution is way better than the 50 bucks for the oem one.
P.S. I measured the cutout on the "dash" and it measured 1-1/16 or 1-1/8 inches so that would be the same but I'm not sure about the notch in the cutout. I see that the socket from HD doesn't have the notch?
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Dc5dd: the lighter socket from HD has got two notches. It came without a clamp. The cap of it can only be closed propper without a plug inserted. But I don't use the ligher socket. I've cut it off and connected an USB charging Socket directly to the plug matching with my Zero.
http://www.baas-parts.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69%3Ausb2-bordsteckdose&catid=5%3Aelektronik&directory=1&lang=en (http://www.baas-parts.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69%3Ausb2-bordsteckdose&catid=5%3Aelektronik&directory=1&lang=en)
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Dc5dd: the lighter socket from HD has got two notches. It came without a clamp. The cap of it can only be closed propper without a plug inserted. But I don't use the ligher socket. I've cut it off and connected an USB charging Socket directly to the plug matching with my Zero.
Morimaxx, I think I should have taken a picture, below is the SR with a picture of the "dash". As you can see it has a cutout with one notch up top for the lighter socket, it doesn't need a clamp just a nut to tighten down over the cutout. I think I can cut the inner rubber off the cap and fit the usb plug inside. It's looking good. :D
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Dc5dd: the lighter socket from HD has got two notches. It came without a clamp. The cap of it can only be closed propper without a plug inserted. But I don't use the ligher socket. I've cut it off and connected an USB charging Socket directly to the plug matching with my Zero.
http://www.baas-parts.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69%3Ausb2-bordsteckdose&catid=5%3Aelektronik&directory=1&lang=en (http://www.baas-parts.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69%3Ausb2-bordsteckdose&catid=5%3Aelektronik&directory=1&lang=en)
morimaxx - what USB socket do you use to wire directly into the 12V? I have a 2013 S as well, and your installation looks very clean!
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Spenny818: I've ordered the Buell part number Y0198.1AK directly from Harley Davidson, the plug matches with the socket on the Zero S 2013 under the "tank"; I've cut off the lighter socket and connected it directly to a BAAS USB2 socket: http://www.baas-parts.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69%3Ausb2-bordsteckdose&catid=5%3Aelektronik&directory=1&lang=en (http://www.baas-parts.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69%3Ausb2-bordsteckdose&catid=5%3Aelektronik&directory=1&lang=en)
In Germany the USB socket is available e.g. via Amazon: http://www.amazon.de/Baas-USB2-BAAS-USB-STECKDOSE-1A/dp/B009RM9JW2 (http://www.amazon.de/Baas-USB2-BAAS-USB-STECKDOSE-1A/dp/B009RM9JW2) or at a Louis store http://www.louis.de/index.php?partner=onmacon-pla&topic=artnr_gr&artnr_gr=10032867 (http://www.louis.de/index.php?partner=onmacon-pla&topic=artnr_gr&artnr_gr=10032867)
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Just an update I purchased the light socket from an harley dealer online and the socket fit exactly into the cutout with the notch and the wire assembly has just enough wire to reach the sumitomo connector. Also I purchased a Scosche usb socket but that extends beyond the lighter socket about half inch so the idea of just capping it with the socket cap is out unless something is modded. Still I think the ability to switch between the light socket and usb is as versatile as it get.
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I bought the shortest USB adapter I could find, to plug into the socket, and so far I haven't snagged it on any bushes while dirt riding. However, that could be just a matter of time and luck running out. :-[
Trikester
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Trikester
This is what I have so far. I'm sure there can be something made to cap the lighter socket with the USB plug securely. I don't believe the way I travel I would have to worry about snagging but that is a good point something that small flying off will be lost whether in the woods or on the highway.
Danny