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Title: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on May 31, 2012, 09:06:10 AM
Hey all, has anyone had any luck with installing side bags?  I'm not interested in the expensive/small bags that Zero has on their web site as I'd like to be able to do a decent shop and also commute with them so I'd like to go for a larger size; the problem is where do you attach them given all of the plastic on the back end, especially on the right side given the belt.  Also has anyone heard if the police fleet hard cases are compatible with the standard S?

http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/fleet/police/ (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/fleet/police/)

I believe they are these Givi bags:
http://www.adventuremotorcycleparts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GVE21N-ATT&Category_Code=motorcycle-luggagehard&Store_Code=amp (http://www.adventuremotorcycleparts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GVE21N-ATT&Category_Code=motorcycle-luggagehard&Store_Code=amp)

thanks!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: ColoPaul on June 01, 2012, 06:40:40 PM
They sure do look like the Givi bags you posted.   If you end up ordering the Givi bags and figure out how to attach them to your S, please post here how you did  it.   I would also like those bags, and if you blaze the path I'd probably follow!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 01, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
There are lots of small cheap throw-over fabric saddlebags on the market, including some semi-hard bags, such as are made by Chase Harper.  They are designed for use on sport bikes and should work well, provided that you can protect the painted finish on the tail section from the fabric straps and don't need secure and lockable luggage.

The problem with mounting hard bags is getting the mounting hardware. If Zero would sell the hardware separately from the hard bags, you could probably use it to mount other brands of luggage.

I have a set of Chase Harper bags in my storage closet, but have not tried to use them yet on my Zero as I have all the luggage space I need using my RKA expandable seat pack.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 03, 2012, 04:25:29 AM
Today I dug out my set of Chase Harper rigid fabric saddle bags on my Zero. Here is what they look like mounted on the bike. The Chase Harper bags are readily available through most motorcycle accessory catalog stores and their cost is much lower than the soft throw-over bags sold by Zero.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 03, 2012, 04:33:54 AM
And another photo.  These bags seem pretty aerodynamic and I don't think they will add much more wind resistance than your legs when riding. Note that they are attached with wide straps over the seat and additional supporting straps front and rear. I attached the front strap to the frame below the big hole and the rear straps are attached to the turn indicator stalks, as near as possible to their mounting point on the bike.

The Chase Harper bags seem to be well made and are pretty rigid. They look to be waterproof, but do not come with a waterproof covering.  They mount without putting much pressure on the painted tail section, but I would want to use some foam tape or other method to prevent scuffing of the paint just in case whern using these bags to carry heavy items.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: ColoPaul on June 03, 2012, 08:13:24 PM
The Chase Harper bags seem to be well made and are pretty rigid. They look to be waterproof, but do not come with a waterproof covering. 

Thanks Richard230.  Are those the 3100MCM?.  If so, they claim "water resistant", and like you said, do not come with a cover.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 04, 2012, 04:15:03 AM
The Chase Harper bags seem to be well made and are pretty rigid. They look to be waterproof, but do not come with a waterproof covering. 

Thanks Richard230.  Are those the 3100MCM?.  If so, they claim "water resistant", and like you said, do not come with a cover.
 

I bought them so long ago that I can't recall their model number. But I think any Chase Harper bags that look like those are likely the same ones.  No doubt they are only water resistant, but the material is so thick that it will probably take a while for water to soak through, although the zipper seams will most likely leak a lot faster than the material. The zippers go all the way around the bags, from the front bottom to the rear bottom.  That makes them easy to over-stuff, but also likely to let pass water from anything other than a light rain.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 05, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
Bike Bandit is having a two-day sale on Dowco semi-soft luggage. It looks a lot like what Zero sells for their bikes as an expensive accessory, but these cost a lot less. It looks like a real good deal to me. Check it out here:

http://www.bikebandit.com/dowco-rally-pack-sport-bike-value-series-luggage-set?fc_c=2487124x8819321x152598981&WT.mc_id=2787891 (http://www.bikebandit.com/dowco-rally-pack-sport-bike-value-series-luggage-set?fc_c=2487124x8819321x152598981&WT.mc_id=2787891)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on June 06, 2012, 12:28:50 PM
Richard,  How supportive are the turn indicator stalks for an attachment point?  It seems like an awful lot of plastic back there.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 06, 2012, 08:41:27 PM
Richard,  How supportive are the turn indicator stalks for an attachment point?  It seems like an awful lot of plastic back there.  Thanks.

I wondered about the same thing. But using the turn indicator stalks for securing the luggage rear support straps is the usual place for these things to be attached on sportbikes.  There is not a lot of stress on the rear straps. Most of the stress (which is not a lot) is placed on the front straps to keep the bags from moving to the rear due to wind pressure or hitting something.  The turn indicator stalks are attached fairly well and if you attach the straps as close as possible the stalk mounts at the the fairing, there should be no problem. Yesterday I went on a 50-mile round-trip ride to pick up a 10-pound wall clock at a clock repair shop. I put the clock in one bag and the weights in the other bag. The real stress is on the support straps placed over the seat and if you balance the load between each bag, there should be no problem carrying stuff in the saddlebags.   :)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on June 07, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
So I tracked down the company that makes the mounts for the Zero police bikes with the Givi E21 hard cases and they sell them retail, mounts + bags, for $680 with no bike frame mods required.  I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around that price but I'm new to this.  Is that reasonable given the circumstances?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 07, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
That is typical for a mid-priced hard luggage system for an ICE motorcycle. Some aluminum luggage kits made for BMW's go for well over $1000 USD.  That is why I prefer soft luggage. It is much lighter and cheaper and can be used on a variety of motorcycles, not just the model that the mounts are designed for.  If security is an issue, most soft luggage can be quickly removed from the bike and carried with you using shoulder straps or handles, which are typically included with most soft luggage.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on June 07, 2012, 09:12:29 PM
The bags themselves are $170 elsewhere so the balance is the mounting brackets which I suppose is what I'm reacting to.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: ultrarnr on June 07, 2012, 10:16:00 PM
So who makes the mounts? Also curious if larger cases will fit on them.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: BSDThw on June 07, 2012, 11:58:17 PM
Maybe I am the only dummy, but I zoomed in the photos of the Police pdf or Photos I found in the NET.

The quality was to bad to see the mounts.

Now I found that at "http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/press/   => 2012 Zero DS Police Motorcycle" all high resolution Photos available and you can see every detail. ;)

Maybe this will support my "creativity" how to build my own mounting frame.

 
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: CliC on June 10, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
Bike Bandit is having a two-day sale on Dowco semi-soft luggage. It looks a lot like what Zero sells for their bikes as an expensive accessory, but these cost a lot less. It looks like a real good deal to me. Check it out here:

http://www.bikebandit.com/dowco-rally-pack-sport-bike-value-series-luggage-set?fc_c=2487124x8819321x152598981&WT.mc_id=2787891 (http://www.bikebandit.com/dowco-rally-pack-sport-bike-value-series-luggage-set?fc_c=2487124x8819321x152598981&WT.mc_id=2787891)

Nice find, Richard! I bought a set, and installed the side bags yesterday. The bags come "limp", and you have to insert a fabric-sheathed plastic stiffening "floorboard" piece into each bag, which requires some patience. After that, you hang them on, adjust them, snug them up a bit in the back they fit pretty well. Straps all have rubber sewn into them to prevent movement/wearing across painted surfaces, and the bags themselves come with two large rubber side pads for same. I haven't tried the tail or tank bags yet.

I'll try and post some pics once I get it all on. I don't expect I'll need to ride with the full kit all the time, though.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on June 10, 2012, 11:32:24 PM
I've ordered the Givi top-load E21 setup for my 2012 S from the company that makes the brackets for the Zero police bikes and it is supposed to take a couple of weeks because of their fleet backlog.  The mounts will handle standard Givi Monokey bags for upsize potential but the E21's should be fine for my all-weather commuting/shopping needs.  (Soft cases have optional waterproof covers but I don't want to mess with that every day in the rainy season.)  They also have an adaptor for the TraX EVO aluminum bags if that's your thing.

I'll post on my experience of installation (no frame mods required), build etc. and I'll post some pics.

Should look like this minus the police extras:
http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-04_1600x1067_press.jpg (http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-04_1600x1067_press.jpg)
http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-07_1600x1067_press.jpg (http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-07_1600x1067_press.jpg)

Bags plus mounts are $680.  If you're interested contact Steve through: http://beaudrymotorsports.com/ (http://beaudrymotorsports.com/)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: ColoPaul on June 11, 2012, 01:51:39 AM
That's awesome jpaulus.

I've been thinking about these 'color accented' chase-harper soft bags kindof like Richard pointed out.  They're only $150.  I think the red would look nice.
http://chaseharper.com/SaddleBags/SaddleBags.htm?al=3100mcm&fr=3100mcmGYBR.htm& (http://chaseharper.com/SaddleBags/SaddleBags.htm?al=3100mcm&fr=3100mcmGYBR.htm&)

However, I'm really liking the thought of always-waterproof, hard-sided luggage - the ones you are getting seem really good.  Although $680 seems steep.

I'll wait till you get yours and see if you like them before I decide.  Thanks again for looking into this!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 11, 2012, 04:18:07 AM
Those hard bags look nice and appear to have lots of capacity, but let me offer this comment: I have a pair of BMW hard bags that I install on my R1200R when I go touring and camping (as I will be doing this week). The bags are useful and don't impact handling or stability, but they do make a noticeable reduction in my fuel mileage, compared to riding without them.  They knock my gas mileage down about 10% at freeway speeds.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on June 11, 2012, 05:14:33 AM
Richard, I was wondering about the wind impact of the side bags but it seems that the Zero might have another benefit in not having exhaust and other things that get in the way allowing the bags to be installed so close to the bike.  When I see how far apart the E21's are on some bikes like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miniviews/4025523190/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/miniviews/4025523190/#)

vs. how narrow they sit on the Zero (one bag width, see following pic), I'm hopeful that the drag is little more than is already caused by my legs just in front of them.
http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-04_1600x1067_press.jpg (http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-04_1600x1067_press.jpg)

I also have the full size windscreen so perhaps I'll be giving up some of my newfound range!  ;)
(though range on the zf9 is not an issue for my commute, thankfully, unlike my old Vectrix...)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on June 11, 2012, 06:38:57 AM
That is a good point, Jpulus.  I have to agree that the Zero bags really tuck in nicely.   :)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: BSDThw on June 12, 2012, 11:01:58 PM
My GIVI Cruiser Case E21 setup for my 2012 DS has received.
I have ordered only the boxes and 2 sets of the Monokey connectors.

Last weekend I have started to built my own mount, but it will take time before it's worth to send some photos; but I have only time at weekend to built the mount. And I am not sure how to finish the surface, because it is an aluminum frame.

For sure it will not look as perfect as the "beaudrymotorsports.com's" mount, but to order it from Germany will cost a fortune.

The Givi E21 is really small, if you have a big lap top it will not fit. But the size is perfect for the Zero and as a commuter it will do a good work.


Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on June 12, 2012, 11:27:47 PM
I've not seen the E21's yet in person and was having difficulty with how much would fit in them until I saw this demo (scroll down at the link):
http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42167 (http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42167)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: BSDThw on June 12, 2012, 11:51:27 PM
Nice demo, so we never die of starvation or of thirst  ;D
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: CliC on June 13, 2012, 08:20:56 AM
I've not seen the E21's yet in person and was having difficulty with how much would fit in them until I saw this demo (scroll down at the link):
http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42167 (http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42167)

Dang, I want :) They are bigger then they look. One think I like about side bags, vs, a tail bag, is that I can swing my leg over from the rear. My ballerina days are over, so a straight-on approach, while doable, is awkward :)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: RickSteeb on June 15, 2012, 05:23:18 AM
I've ordered the Givi top-load E21 setup for my 2012 S from the company that makes the brackets for the Zero police bikes and it is supposed to take a couple of weeks because of their fleet backlog.  The mounts will handle standard Givi Monokey bags for upsize potential but the E21's should be fine for my all-weather commuting/shopping needs.  (Soft cases have optional waterproof covers but I don't want to mess with that every day in the rainy season.)  They also have an adaptor for the TraX EVO aluminum bags if that's your thing.

I'll post on my experience of installation (no frame mods required), build etc. and I'll post some pics.

Should look like this minus the police extras:
http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-04_1600x1067_press.jpg (http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-04_1600x1067_press.jpg)
http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-07_1600x1067_press.jpg (http://media.zeromotorcycles.com/press-2012/small/police/studio-detail/2012_zero_ds_police_detail-07_1600x1067_press.jpg)

Bags plus mounts are $680.  If you're interested contact Steve through: http://beaudrymotorsports.com/ (http://beaudrymotorsports.com/)

Just emailed Mr Beaudry with my inquiry.  Nice find! 
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Lipo423 on June 16, 2012, 06:19:36 PM
Richard, these side bags are very nice... ;)

Although the post is about side bags, this is how I fitted a Givi T470 as a tail bag...
You may fit an additional charger + other staff if you decide to extend it.

If you need further details let me know.

Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: oobflyer on June 17, 2012, 02:43:57 AM
I ordered the bags when I bought my bike ('12 S-ZF9). Although I haven't had any problems with them, clearly they are not custom made for the Zero, rather, they were obviously made for a bike with a wider seat. From the back you can see how they sag towards the middle, despite tightening the velcro straps across the top to the maximum.

The tail-bag fits perfectly, however - and the Quiq charger fits perfectly inside.

The Chase-Harper bags look nice on Richard's bike. If I had it to do over again I would've waited on the bags.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on June 23, 2012, 10:32:55 AM
I have had many customers inquire about hard cases for their bikes.  Today I installed a Givi Wingrack on a customer's 2011 Zero S.  Took a while to figure out how to mount it but fits nice!  I've got a few of these racks on order, they are compatible with all Monokey cases, you can contact me if you'd like to reserve one.  Check out the giviusa.com website for all the different cases available.

Wingrack:
http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Wingrack/Wingrack (http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Wingrack/Wingrack)

Monokey Side Bags:
http://www.giviusa.com/Side-hardbags/ (http://www.giviusa.com/Side-hardbags/)

Monokey Top Cases:
http://www.giviusa.com/cases-top-case/monokey/ (http://www.giviusa.com/cases-top-case/monokey/)

Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: BSDThw on June 23, 2012, 11:35:58 PM
Hi Harlan,

it is nice if this Givi Wingrack work for our Ziros, I saw it in the brochures but couldn't believe it will work for me.

I am building my own rack at the moment and had a lot of thinking and testing.

I am not sure if the perspective of the photo gives the wrong impression, but are the cases not too high?

I tested a lot and fixed them that I can slide back at my seat without sitting on the cases, also tried to have a low center of gravity.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7426627088_94644eeb0a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79924060@N07/7426627088/)
37_Case (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79924060@N07/7426627088/#) von BSDThw (http://www.flickr.com/people/79924060@N07/) auf Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7252/7426626900_f288666b67.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79924060@N07/7426626900/)
38_Case (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79924060@N07/7426626900/#) von BSDThw (http://www.flickr.com/people/79924060@N07/) auf Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8024/7426626720_1d454b3cc4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79924060@N07/7426626720/)
39_Case (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79924060@N07/7426626720/#) von BSDThw (http://www.flickr.com/people/79924060@N07/) auf Flickr

But there is still a lot work to do. I will ream out more material to loss weight, make a nice surface and try to anodize it black.




Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on June 24, 2012, 05:00:40 AM
I am not sure if the perspective of the photo gives the wrong impression, but are the cases not too high?

The bags are high, (and the seat is the lower Corbin) but they are not flush against the frame and there is plenty of space between them and the seat.  Even if you sit all the way back, your legs are not touching the bags even though you are sitting between them.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: ed5000 on June 26, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
Nice work BSD.  What I like is it looks like it would strengthen the whole tail section of the bike.  Does it cut down on any rattle sounds (like on my 2010 DS)?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: BSDThw on June 26, 2012, 12:25:20 AM
Hi ed5000,

I have installed it only once with one case for a test ride. But the two endings at the tail have a connection plate which will be connected with the tail, Yes it make the bike more stable.

But if I had the information of Harlan before, I think I had saved a lot of time.

But on the other side do it yourself is also fun ;)

Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on June 26, 2012, 02:46:10 AM
Those side bags are nice. But when are they officially available?

Also nobody talks about the top case, which for me is the most important since it is supposed to hold your helmet when you park somewhere. The side cases will never hold a helmet obviously....
Is there a top case in the works?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: BSDThw on June 26, 2012, 09:25:06 AM
the page before (2) there is the photo of Harlans bike for a customer.

It has also the top case mounted.
You are right the side bags are much to small for a helmet.
But my aim is some space for commuting and I will install two chargers in the side bags when I have to make a longer trip with quick recharging on the way.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Electric Terry on June 26, 2012, 02:21:59 PM
I have the zero saddlebags and tank/tail bag.  Lots of pics here for anyone who wants to see more http://www.facebook.com/lifeoffthegrid (http://www.facebook.com/lifeoffthegrid)

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/581310_294365203992624_1863119652_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on June 26, 2012, 11:15:32 PM
opps! you're right, I overlooked that one!!
I am going to check on pricing.
thx!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 16, 2012, 04:32:13 AM
Since I said that I was going to give an update on my experience with the Givi hard case side bags here it goes.  No news yet.

Steve Beaudry said initially that it would be two weeks out and when that passed he said it would be another 2 weeks.  Now that that too has passed I sent a note on Friday but I've not heard back.  No money has changed hands but I had hoped to have them a ways back.

Is anyone having any luck with the alternatives?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: CliC on July 16, 2012, 04:58:25 AM
I have had many customers inquire about hard cases for their bikes.  Today I installed a Givi Wingrack on a customer's 2011 Zero S.  Took a while to figure out how to mount it but fits nice!  I've got a few of these racks on order, they are compatible with all Monokey cases, you can contact me if you'd like to reserve one.  Check out the giviusa.com website for all the different cases available.

Wingrack:
http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Wingrack/Wingrack (http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Wingrack/Wingrack)

Monokey Side Bags:
http://www.giviusa.com/Side-hardbags/ (http://www.giviusa.com/Side-hardbags/)

Monokey Top Cases:
http://www.giviusa.com/cases-top-case/monokey/ (http://www.giviusa.com/cases-top-case/monokey/)

Harlan, do you think this kit would work on a 2012? The 2012 frame looks very similar to a 2011, but I can't be sure.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on July 16, 2012, 06:08:04 AM
You can mount the Wingrack using the Universal Fitting Kit but it is not a straight forward install.  I actually installed the kit on a customers 2012 Zero S this weekend, but it was really busy so I forgot to take a picture of the kit installed.  Maybe he'll post a pic as I know he lurks these forums.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 16, 2012, 06:43:16 AM
You can mount the Wingrack using the Universal Fitting Kit but it is not a straight forward install.  I actually installed the kit on a customers 2012 Zero S this weekend, but it was really busy so I forgot to take a picture of the kit installed.  Maybe he'll post a pic as I know he lurks these forums.

Harlan, how was it unique?  thanks.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: RickSteeb on July 16, 2012, 07:46:11 AM
You can mount the Wingrack using the Universal Fitting Kit but it is not a straight forward install.  I actually installed the kit on a customers 2012 Zero S this weekend, but it was really busy so I forgot to take a picture of the kit installed.  Maybe he'll post a pic as I know he lurks these forums.

Which of the wing rack models did you install, and what mounting kit did it take?  Would same setup work on my 2012 DS?  After emailing Mr Beaudry two times, I haven't got any reply...

Thanks!   ::)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on July 16, 2012, 08:25:35 AM
Guys. I am the customer. I will post some pics this week.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on July 20, 2012, 03:39:13 AM
https://picasaweb.google.com/106480527506993702675/2012ZeroSMods?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on July 20, 2012, 03:42:21 AM
ok I posted the link above.
Things to look for:

-rack + top box installed by Dealer
-front LED light (looks cooler), and can be switched off
-tail mud guard removal and LED tail light with turn signals + brake light in the same housing

LEt me know what you guys think.

Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 20, 2012, 04:45:41 AM
Larry,  Sweet!  Were any mods necessary to get that frame attached to the bike?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 20, 2012, 04:48:12 AM
Larry, and what all parts were required for the install?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on July 20, 2012, 05:12:42 AM
Jpaulus, I would point you to Hollywood Electric, my dealer. They've handled the whole install and set up for me. I am not too manual, so I didn't even try.
But glad you like the mods. I think it changes the looks of that bike quite a bit, and for the better!!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 20, 2012, 05:45:33 AM
You can mount the Wingrack using the Universal Fitting Kit but it is not a straight forward install. 

Harlan, can you please describe this for those of us who are unfortunately too far away to be your customers?  thanks!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on July 20, 2012, 12:14:41 PM
I use the following parts:

N141 Wingrack 2
Y127 Universal Fitment Kit
Y100 Universal Connection Bridge Kit (necessary for 2010-11 models)

No frame modifications are made, the kit bolts to existing mounting points: seat bolts and passenger peg mounting holes.

If anyone is interested in purchasing a kit, I'm more than happy to order the rack and accessories you need and help guide you through the installation process.  I don't have many good pictures of the installation to post here but will try to document it better in the future.  Email me if you have any questions or would like a quote harlan at hollywoodelectrics.com
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: manlytom on July 20, 2012, 04:07:57 PM
Hi Harlan
I am interested into the LED headlight. Do like electriccowboy did to concert to a 2012 with LED. Is that from Zero? Contacted the trucklite guys and theirs fits straight into 2011 - however they say cannOt use in Oz as is symmetrical. Then againmy current one looks pretty sym !?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on July 20, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
It's not actually an LED light.  Both electriccowboy and Larry have an HID light installed.  It is much brighter than the stock light at about half the power draw.  It is only a single beam, so when you switch to high beam, the HID light turns off but the small running light will stay on.

Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 21, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
https://picasaweb.google.com/106480527506993702675/2012ZeroSMods?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite

Larry, where is the secondary attachment point on the left side of the bike?  thanks!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: edussanchez on July 21, 2012, 06:20:12 AM
Hi harlan, could you please tell us the exact models of The hid front light and rear LED tail light with turn signals? Both for The S 2012

In the other hand, Is The givi v46 a good Top Case for the bike? Is it stable?


Thanks!!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on July 22, 2012, 08:40:15 PM
Paulus, I am not sure what you means by attachment point?

And yes the box is great for that size of bike: big enough to carry things, but small enough so that it doesn't look out of proportions with the Zero S.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 22, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
I am not sure what you means by attachment point?

It is not clear where the Universal Fitment attaches on the other side of the bike to steady the case there.  Could you please post a photo of that side of the bike?  thank you!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on July 23, 2012, 08:11:19 AM
I will try, but it attaches the same way on both sides I believe.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on July 23, 2012, 09:19:46 AM
I will try, but it attaches the same way on both sides I believe.

Up top it would but down below is where I'm not clear.  thanks!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on July 24, 2012, 09:41:53 PM
Hi harlan, could you please tell us the exact models of The hid front light and rear LED tail light with turn signals? Both for The S 2012

The HID Light is an H4 8000K light.  We have those in stock, they are $59.95.

The tail chop kit is a kit that we've put together.  It consists of the LED taillight board, solid state flasher unit and a custom waterjetted, powdercoated bracket of our own design.  We have those kits in stock for $180, ($350 installed).
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: trikester on July 24, 2012, 11:20:21 PM
I changed my 2010 DS to a xenon lamp. I got 3 1/2 times the light of the stock halogen at less current drain. The dual-beam version wouldn't fit the casing so I used a single beam version and connected it to the high beam wiring from the switch. When I'm riding dirt trails or empty highways I switch to low beam which turns off the headlight but leaves the running light on. This saves me some power drain.

The xenon headlight conversion kit comes with all of the connectors etc., so no wiring is cut to make the change. It's all "plug and play".

I haven't done this mod on my 2012 DS yet

Trikester
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: cirrus pete on July 25, 2012, 02:42:25 AM
Is there a plug and play replacement for the 2011 headlight? I ride my bike at night a lot and would love a brighter beam.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: trikester on July 25, 2012, 02:51:29 AM
I think the 2011 is the same as the 2010, is it not?

I posted the information about the light mod kit I used some time back on this forum. I don't have that information in front of me now.

BTW - A word to the wise - it is illegal to not have both a high and a low beam, at least in CA. I went on the assumption that I could get away with it. SFSG  ;)

Trikester
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: manlytom on July 25, 2012, 06:44:10 AM
Is there a plug and play replacement for the 2011 headlight? I ride my bike at night a lot and would love a brighter beam.

I am considering the Trucklite LED phase 7. It looks bright on a review (one of my posts some time ago) and anything is likely brigther than the stock. It should fit straight into the 7" lamp housing of the 2011 or 2010 models. straight forward swap and less power usage.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 05, 2012, 06:18:25 AM
Finally, the Givi hard cases have arrived and are installed on my 2012 S making it an all-weather commuter bike.  Here's the story.

I'd first tried to go the route of using the manufacturer of Zero's police fleet hard case mounts but Mr. Beaudry needs to learn how to properly respond to potential customers asking for an ETA; if he ever replies to my emails I'll be sure to let him know.  (In the end this turned out for the best as I saved lots of money going solo.)

What I went with was the Givi E21s mounted with Wingrack2s using the Y127 universal fitment kit with only one bolt change.  After some experimentation I found that the bags were just a bit too far out from the frame given the bolt lengths in the Y127 so I bought 2 1.25" bolts to make it work just as I wanted (the bolts are Grade 8, vehicle strength; see the photo for details.)  You can see this bolt in the photos as it is the only gold one and it allows the bags to sit close enough to the frame that the wind drag is next to nothing (see the front on photo with leg hugging the frame).

I had thought that I'd run into trouble on the right side going around the brake fluid reservoir but as you can see in the photo the fitment kit bar goes right under and behind it.

The only hitch for anyone else wanting to do the same is that it sounds like the Wingrack2 and Y127 are going away soon to be replaced with some tubular design; given the connection points on the Zero I'm not sure that will result in better stability.

bags: http://www.giviusa.com/Side-hardbags/Monokey-Lateral/E21-CRUISER (http://www.giviusa.com/Side-hardbags/Monokey-Lateral/E21-CRUISER)
Wingrack2: http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Optionals/N151 (http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Optionals/N151)
Y127: http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Wingrack/Wingrack (http://www.giviusa.com/Fitment-kits/Wingrack/Wingrack)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 05, 2012, 06:19:31 AM
More photos of the Givi/Wingrack2/Y127 install.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 05, 2012, 06:20:16 AM
And a couple more.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on August 05, 2012, 06:59:24 AM
Great job jpaulus. Thanks for the bag mount information, installation instructions and the photos!   :)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: ColoPaul on August 05, 2012, 11:05:54 PM
Fantastic jpaulus!!  ;D  Really nice looking install.

I am going to do the same.  I can find the cases  for $169, and the wingrack for $103; both free shipping.
The only place I can find the Y127 is for $117;  I'm thinking for the few bolts, nuts, rods, clamps, etc;  I can go to the hardware store for less than $40 instead?  Maybe.

I'm curious - are the bags fairly solid with the frame or do they wiggle fairly easily?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 06, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
I'm thinking for the few bolts, nuts, rods, clamps, etc;  I can go to the hardware store for less than $40 instead?  Maybe.

I'm curious - are the bags fairly solid with the frame or do they wiggle fairly easily?

The frame and bags are totally solid as if they are a part of the frame because the wingracks are a single solid piece of metal combined with the fact that the angled, flat piece of metal (from the fitment kit) that is connected to the seat is bolted tightly against the back side of the wingrack which makes it immobile (see the image _DSC0102); this is actually the reason that I posted that photo and then I forgot to mention why.  Duh.  The connection down below to the passenger bolt in the frame then prevents any lateral movement.  I don't know that you'd find that key piece from the seat post that has just the right bend angle in the hardware store or the bent rod that you need.  These parts are very strong and if you could manually bend something to make it work then you'd probably not want to use it...

I'd tried some other configurations with spacers up by the seat post first and none of those experiments had the stability advantage of this configuration.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on August 06, 2012, 03:15:20 AM
Thinking about the hard bags last night, you could insert a layer of foam rubber in the bottom of the bags to cushion whatever you decide to carry from road shocks.  Also, using a cloth or nylon reusable shopping bag, with handles, would make removing multiple items much easier from the top-loading bag.
Title: Saddleman option...
Post by: polartek on August 06, 2012, 03:53:17 AM
Saddleman Tunnel bag on mine -  Approx. $120.
Works to carry most items.  It would be nice if it expanded upward for my larger loads and the sides were a bit bigger, but it works fine for 99% of my daily needs and my quick run to the grocery store.  The propane tanks are a big big for it.  ;)
http://www.saddlemen.com/en/products/bags-luggage/seat-tail-a-pillion-bags/seat-tail-a-tunnel-bags/item/22298-ts1450r-tunnel/tail-bag-standard-tunnel (http://www.saddlemen.com/en/products/bags-luggage/seat-tail-a-pillion-bags/seat-tail-a-tunnel-bags/item/22298-ts1450r-tunnel/tail-bag-standard-tunnel)
(http://www.saddlemen.com/media/k2/items/cache/5f3bdb77daa0f9f273c2ccbd6b6f41b6_L.jpg)

-Polartek
Title: Re: Saddleman option...
Post by: manlytom on August 09, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
Saddleman Tunnel bag on mine -  Approx. $120.
Works to carry most items.  It would be nice if it expanded upward for my larger loads and the sides were a bit bigger, but it works fine for 99% of my daily needs and my quick run to the grocery store.  The propane tanks are a big big for it.  ;)
http://www.saddlemen.com/en/products/bags-luggage/seat-tail-a-pillion-bags/seat-tail-a-tunnel-bags/item/22298-ts1450r-tunnel/tail-bag-standard-tunnel (http://www.saddlemen.com/en/products/bags-luggage/seat-tail-a-pillion-bags/seat-tail-a-tunnel-bags/item/22298-ts1450r-tunnel/tail-bag-standard-tunnel)
(http://www.saddlemen.com/media/k2/items/cache/5f3bdb77daa0f9f273c2ccbd6b6f41b6_L.jpg)

-Polartek


Hi polartek

I am intersted ! seems nice bags. On the Internet I could not find a video or detailed photos how they fit, work, go on/off. It seems there is a quick release option that I would like to have. Can you point me to links or take some further shots. How quickly does it come off the bike ?
As well is the main section and down into the sides all one big compartment ? fit some gear (rain gear/tools) in the sides - not outsid little pockets and into the middle laptop or stuff ?

thanks
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on August 11, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Paulus, do you have vibrating sounds with your set up?
I have the Wingrack and a top box, but I constantly hear a vibrating/bouncing in the back. When I try to move the box around it's solid. So I am wondering where this could come from?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 11, 2012, 09:20:53 PM
I have no sounds at all with my setup as it is so tight.  The other thing that I like about the hard cases are that they are rain proof without extra rain covers.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Larry295 on August 11, 2012, 09:27:21 PM
Yes I have a hard case as well (givi) but it's a top box. The side bags won't cut it for me. You still can"t put anything in them other than tiny items. In my box I can leave my helmet or gym bag ect...
But I am bothered with that bouncing around sound and don't know where it's coming from...
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 11, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
I found that there are so many ways to attach the mounts that some noodling may be very beneficial to get them to attach tightly especially by getting some nice contact on the rear of the wingrack; that was key for me.

And I'm surprised by how much fits into the Givi E21s.  While they can't fit a helmet they each do fit my Timbuk2 sling bag so that I don't have to carry it on me on my commute and allows me to do some limited shopping in addition.  I really like not having to carry the bag.

Here are some photos showing capacity from http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42167 (http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42167)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: jpaulus on August 11, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
As a side note, when I was in a local dealership yesterday I saw a fully tricked out Zero DS as a police vehicle including the factory/Beaudry tubular mounts that I'd considered early on.  I was again glad that I didn't go with them not only for the expense but also given the gap between the bike and the bag that would make the bags less aerodynamic than what I ended up with.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on August 12, 2012, 03:08:35 AM
If you want to see the "glitch" get fixed fast just wait until a cop chasing a bank-robber making his escape on a bicycle have his Authority Zero cut out while in hot pursuit.  Then you will see action.   ;)
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: protomech on August 13, 2012, 11:14:57 AM
jpaulus:

The Givi site lists the weight limit as 11 lbs/case, seems really low. 2 gallons of milk will greatly exceed that. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Richard230 on August 13, 2012, 08:23:14 PM
Weight limits for any motorcycle luggage is always understated by the manufacturer.  BMW has been offering hard shell motorcycle luggage for many years and 11 pounds is typical of what they say is the load limit. That is just being very conservative, especially when their luggage usually weighs more than that empty.  No one pays any attention to those weight limits and few people have died because of over-stuffing their luggage (like me).  BMW also recommends that their motorcycles never exceed 80 mph when carrying soft-sided luggage.  More CYA.  Personally, I wouldn't pay any attention to that 11 pound limit unless you see something start to bend or crack - or in my case, bulge.   :o
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Electric Terry on August 13, 2012, 08:38:51 PM
If you want to see the "glitch" get fixed fast just wait until a cop chasing a bank-robber making his escape on a bicycle have his Authority Zero cut out while in hot pursuit.  Then you will see action.   ;)

As funny as that might be, I would bet they are doing everything they can right now, just aven't figured it out yet, or are testing the "fix" to make sure it's it as not to jump the gun again.  I convinced myself it had something to do with the wiring harness to the motor, and still think it might be a part of it.  The trouble is it likes to disappear for a while sometimes and make you believe it is gone.  I'd believe there's a chance that's how the BMS recall went down too.

Back on the thread topic, I use the zero soft luggage and love them.  But the hard cases look awesome too! Great work!
Title: Re: Saddleman option...
Post by: manlytom on September 04, 2012, 12:28:12 PM
Saddleman Tunnel bag on mine -  Approx. $120.
Works to carry most items.  It would be nice if it expanded upward for my larger loads and the sides were a bit bigger, but it works fine for 99% of my daily needs and my quick run to the grocery store.  The propane tanks are a big big for it.  ;)
http://www.saddlemen.com/en/products/bags-luggage/seat-tail-a-pillion-bags/seat-tail-a-tunnel-bags/item/22298-ts1450r-tunnel/tail-bag-standard-tunnel (http://www.saddlemen.com/en/products/bags-luggage/seat-tail-a-pillion-bags/seat-tail-a-tunnel-bags/item/22298-ts1450r-tunnel/tail-bag-standard-tunnel)
(http://www.saddlemen.com/media/k2/items/cache/5f3bdb77daa0f9f273c2ccbd6b6f41b6_L.jpg)

-Polartek


polartek - great bags. not the largest but fit nicely and come off / go on easily and fast.

Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: WindRider on March 20, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
I checked with Givi and they have discontinued the Y127 hardware kit.  No planned replacement.   I would like to mount the E21s on my DS.   Anyone know of another mounting kit that will work?
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Tireshred on April 09, 2013, 02:06:08 AM
I put that tunnel pack on my 2012 DS, great pack, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: WindRider on April 20, 2013, 04:44:04 AM
After being told by Givi that the Givi E21 can not be fitted to the Zero DS and the parts listed by JPaulus could not be ordered anymore I called Harlan at Hollywood Electrics and he ordered everything that was needed and I installed the Givis last night.

The install was pretty straightforward but there are a lot of variables and everything is adjustable so it took some time to tweak it to my taste.  The hard part is connecting the support rods to the rear foot peg mounting holes on the inside of the frame.  If I had my exact fit I would scoot bags back another couple of inches but this could not be done without some bracket fabrication.

I really like the end result.   Light, solid, weathertight and easily removable.   Capacity that is good for commuting and style that complements the DS.  I can add a top trunk if needed and the Givi plate makes a great top rack for strapping to if cargo needs exceed the cases.

Here are some really bad dark pics from inside my garage... sorry , raining here today.   I will post some better pics tomorrow if the sun comes out.

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-4.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-4.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-3.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-3.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-2.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-2.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: WindRider on April 20, 2013, 09:20:14 AM
Some better pics:

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-12.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-12.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-11.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-11.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-10.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-10.jpg.html)

Not as tight to the frame as JPaulus' installation but still plenty slim.

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-9.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-9.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-8.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-8.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-7.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-7.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-6.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-6.jpg.html)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/nneiwert/ZeroDS/Givi/file-5.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/nneiwert/media/ZeroDS/Givi/file-5.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: Harlan on April 21, 2013, 04:20:47 AM
I'm glad you are happy with the kit. Looks great!
Title: Re: Side bags on 2012 S
Post by: benswing on September 12, 2013, 08:15:28 AM
Got a Givi Wingrack 2 for my 2012 Zero S so I can attach a couple of Elcon 2500W chargers to my bike.  Just waiting for my motorcycle to arrive from California... it's a week late and I need to ride!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5476/9726123395_f08374ab4b_c.jpg)